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Are fair play points worth keeping?
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Barney Points?
Nope - dump them unless you can show me that they have achieved the objective they were intended for, which I am not certain I understood in the first place

I think the fair play points are a good idea that could maybe use a little rework. Clearly there is a point where a team should be penalized if they abuse the "fair play" concept. Perhaps it is 7 penalties rather than 6. I think a questionable checking from behind penalty might not be enough though. So maybe only 2 and 5 count instead of 2 and 10. Or maybe it should only have the 2 count toward the Hep point. Anyway just a thought.

tomASS wrote:Barney Points?
Nope - dump them unless you can show me that they have achieved the objective they were intended for, which I am not certain I understood in the first place

Barney Points sorry haven't heard that one. But nice 1,000th post

tomASS wrote:Barney Points?
Nope - dump them unless you can show me that they have achieved the objective they were intended for, which I am not certain I understood in the first place

#1000 post

Another guy face to face with the fact that he does not have a life.

elliott70 wrote:

tomASS wrote:Barney Points?
Nope - dump them unless you can show me that they have achieved the objective they were intended for, which I am not certain I understood in the first place

#1000 post

Another guy face to face with the fact that he does not have a life.

And I love plaid flannel too!

and I was a goalie too........you should be very scared!!!

Very twilight zone like eh?

tomASS wrote:and I was a goalie too........you should be very scared!!!

Very twilight zone like eh?

Yes.


But, I gave up 'scared' on my 50th birthday.
And since that date is ancient history, goalies are more like the Michelin tire guy top me.

Ontheice wrote:I think the fair play points are a good idea that could maybe use a little rework. Clearly there is a point where a team should be penalized if they abuse the "fair play" concept. Perhaps it is 7 penalties rather than 6. I think a questionable checking from behind penalty might not be enough though. So maybe only 2 and 5 count instead of 2 and 10. Or maybe it should only have the 2 count toward the Hep point. Anyway just a thought.

I am a fan of the standards of play.

I do think the fair point rule needs some re-work. Not sure I have a thought on the re-work.

I have a problem with subjective measures effecting something that is supposed to be objective. Fair play points are, in my opinion, another example of people in power trying to socially dictate their wishes.

Here is how I would l like to see it. Fair-play points would still be tallied but should only used as a tie-breaker.

Why not have only the penalties that either can cause an injury or the way a player behaves.
In short if a Game Misconduct can be assessed for a penalty it would count. Example Check from behind would count where as a delay of game for too many players would not count against a FP.

I am against the fairplay point because, as I have said elsewhere on this site, it changes the way players and coaches play the game. It is not hockey as kids will play in their future. The rule allows non-contending teams within the district to become more aggressive and more punishing when playing a better team.

It is not fair because the fairness doctrine has to work for all teams under all conditions to be fair.

This rule does not. More importantly it is a negative in player development at peewee level. For the better players, it forces them to alter their style of play that is inconsistent with hockey. That is a disadvantage when they face more competitive situations outside of District hockey. For the poorer players, it artifically empowers them in certain game situations and allows them to use the rule to compete instead of having to develop the skills needed to compete.

In theory it is great but in all reality it is the one of if not the stupidist rule in hockey today. Why have a rule that only pertains to part of the year and part of your games? It doesn't matter during non district games and when the district tournament region and state tournament come around it has no significance at all. Now what kind of sense does the rule make.

MOST GOALS WIN PERIOD, you dont get points for most shots on goal or anything else, but maybe they should look at give out points for the best hockey moms

whockeyguy wrote:MOST GOALS WIN PERIOD, you dont get points for most shots on goal or anything else, but maybe they should look at give out points for the best hockey moms

Under Cover Hockey Lover would support that cause and pledge to lead the charge in establishing the criteria.

I like graybeards comment. If a team gets 6 lazy tripping penalties it is not the same as the intent to injure or misconduct penalties. I think that those were the penalties that the rule was supposed to protect against. If only the major penalties and conduct penalties were counted, I think the rule would work. I am actually in favor of the fair play point, but think that it needs to be revised to the dangerous penalties.

Standings should be ranked by wins and wins should be decided by goals scored.

The rules already provide for 'fair play'. If a player trips or commits other offenses then the refs call penalties. If a player is guilty of intent to injure then there are more severe penalties, ejections, and suspensions.

I think the threat of being kicked out and missing more games is the most effective deterrent. Refs, Districts, and MH need to enforce it.

The concept is good but the lack of consistency and over all level of quality of the officiating at some levels makes it too much a crap shoot. The other night in the first period we had an opposing PW B1 player turn his back on our D at the last minute. We got a 10 & 2 for checking from behind from this 17 year old kid. Ref could have re-thunk it as he reviewed the play in his mind and called a cross check instead, but he couldn't adjust on the fly. Bye Bye to the fair play point on one play that was over called. So we win the game handily and get two points while our opponent gets one point. P.S. I am a level 2 ref for those who want to lambaste me for pointing out officiating issues that make fair play a point of contention at years end.

tomASS wrote:

whockeyguy wrote:MOST GOALS WIN PERIOD, you dont get points for most shots on goal or anything else, but maybe they should look at give out points for the best hockey moms

Under Cover Hockey Lover would support that cause and pledge to lead the charge in establishing the criteria.

Great idea...when do we start...I'll need some assistance....anybody want to volunteer I'll take as many as I can, can't leave anybody out that WANTS to volunteer ...since most teams travel and stay at hotels with pools and/or hot tubs there will definitely be a swimsuit session. Of course; that session will take place AFTER the Shotskey Stick competition.

If MN Hockey is truly serious about implementing the Standards of Play then the "Sunshine Point" is obsolete.
Officiating is just as inconsistant as it's ever been, so I don't see the SOP having made much difference. Instead of gimmicks (Fair Play Point) to coax people to be nicer citizens, MN Hockey should get to games, evaluate officials and educate them to get them to enforce the rules consistantly.
Our team has lost FPP in games where the officials were "feeling sorry" for the weaker team and trying to make the game closer. We've lost the point because officials called several coincidental penalties- pushing and shoving in the corner- they thought someone should sit, but not sure who-so they send one from each team in a situation where there should be no penalty at all.
Get rid of the Fair Play Point. It was an experiment that outlived it's usefulness. If Standards of Play is the way we are going, then give it the full effort.

Torquer wrote:If MN Hockey is truly serious about implementing the Standards of Play then the "Sunshine Point" is obsolete.
Officiating is just as inconsistant as it's ever been, so I don't see the SOP having made much difference. Instead of gimmicks (Fair Play Point) to coax people to be nicer citizens, MN Hockey should get to games, evaluate officials and educate them to get them to enforce the rules consistantly.
Our team has lost FPP in games where the officials were "feeling sorry" for the weaker team and trying to make the game closer. We've lost the point because officials called several coincidental penalties- pushing and shoving in the corner- they thought someone should sit, but not sure who-so they send one from each team in a situation where there should be no penalty at all.
Get rid of the Fair Play Point. It was an experiment that outlived it's usefulness. If Standards of Play is the way we are going, then give it the full effort.

Wow, you used that much space and all you did was whine about officiating. Wonder if you've ever tried it...............oh wait, your view is too good from the stands. In the future, resist the urge to get on the computer until you know what you are talking about. Just quietly observe.

Again, since I am a Level 2 ref, and as much as I would like the officiating to not cost fair play points it occasionally does. (Sorry theref) Lets use it for intent to injur, fighting, misconducts related to fighting, profanity, bench penalties related to abuse to officials from players, coaches or fans, checks to the head, spearing, butt ending, and other dirty play.
A check from behind where a player turns his back last minute and where there was restraint, should not cost you fair play points in one felt swoop like it has twice to my sons team this year. It can be a tool but lets use it for goon control which I hope was the original intent of the idea...

skillbuilder wrote:Again, since I am a Level 2 ref, and as much as I would like the officiating to not cost fair play points it occasionally does. (Sorry theref) Lets use it for intent to injur, fighting, misconducts related to fighting, profanity, bench penalties related to abuse to officials from players, coaches or fans, checks to the head, spearing, butt ending, and other dirty play.
A check from behind where a player turns his back last minute and where there was restraint, should not cost you fair play points in one felt swoop like it has twice to my sons team this year. It can be a tool but lets use it for goon control which I hope was the original intent of the idea...

No reason to say sorry to me. I was as off topic as the person I was quoting. I really don't care about the Fair Play Points one way or another. They don't affect how I ref a hockey game. I was just criticizing this man because instead of talking about the topic, he used it as an excuse to rant and rave and whine about officials.

Heck....I used the topic to talk about judging hot hockey moms. What would you rather rate....moms that look great in jeans and a turtleneck and can usually down at least a 6 pack and a few shots or the fair play point.

Undercover Hockey Lover wrote:Heck....I used the topic to talk about judging hot hockey moms. What would you rather rate....moms that look great in jeans and a turtleneck and can usually down at least a 6 pack and a few shots or the fair play point.

Ok now I'm totally distracted !