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In another thread,
Neutron wrote,

"Kinda hung up on this "north" thingy aren't you.

SECTION 7AA:
Andover, Anoka, Cambridge, Cloquet, Duluth East, Elk River, Forest Lake, Grand Rapids, St. Francis.

If you want a "north" section combine the "north" schools of 7AA and 8AA.

We'll create a back door section for cities teams."


What should be done; the MSHSL should change their rules to something like, the schools with highest 9-12 population 'within a section' or those wishing to opt up will be AA, all others A.

Then we could have
7AA with nine teams
Duluth East
Grand Rapids
Cloquet
Duluth Marshall
Hibbing
Hermantown
Virginia
Int'l. Falls
soon to Denfeld-Central coop.

and 8AA with nine teams
Roseau
Moorhead
Brainerd
Bemidji
St Cloud Tech
St Cloud Apollo
Aitkin CI etal coop
East Grand Forks
Thief River Falls
(and Warroad can stay in 8A).

Four sections in the cities.
One in the south

And an 8th spot for a back-door.

Pretty funny...E.

Personally, I'd like to see the AA enrollment cut-off somewhere around the 600 to 700 mark. With an opt-up option....doubt Warroad would opt anyway but...If some of the A schools like TRF & EGF were forced up maybe Warroad and now I Falls would be shamed into opting up. Not everyone that has kids playing A wants them to play A that's the situation their stuck with. Also, a private automatically has to play AA. This would then truly make Class A....a small school class. It would make for a MUCH smaller group of A schools but then we would get closer to what the two class was intended to create. A place for the non-traditional hockey small schools to compete.

Either that or create 4 "super sections" with both teams to make the section finals getting to state obviously the "North" section would be geographically huge your still getting two reps....the problem with that is how to keep from gerrymandering the metro to serve individual schools interests.

I like it Elliott. I don't know how any respectable flannel wearing, popple stomping, partridge hunter can argue with it. I especially love that Warroad stays 8A. But does that leave enough teams for Class A?

Neutron 14 wrote: But does that leave enough teams for Class A?

I don't know, but how many do they need.

8A would have...
Baudette, Hallock, Red Lake Falls, Crookston, Bagley, Walker, Park Rapids..
That's 7, move Detroit Lakes back in...
That's 8.

7A would have....
Greenway, Eveleth, Ely, Mesabi East could come back, and Chisholm...
maybe more with the new steel mine....
Proctor, Silver Bay, Two Harbors
pull acouple from farther south...
Moose Lake, Mora...

Don't forget Warroad in 8A.

Neutron 14 wrote:Don't forget Warroad in 8A.

Unless they come up with a B level or something like nine-man in football

go 16 sections like youth hockey

Why would you want all the good teams in AA? (The good teams are usually the biggest schools) The class A tournament would be unwatchable. I say, leave it the way it is. If you have a certain amount of kids in your school (I'm not sure what that number is), you play AA. If not, you play A hockey. Unless...you wish to play up, like Roseau and some other teams.

What really needs to be done is make the sections different. Are you kidding me with section 3A? And why is Elk River and Anoka in 7AA? How is Duluth Marshall and Denfeld in different sections? I guess these are questions that will never be answered.

Anyways...Some of these teams like Warroad, Blake, Breck, STA, etc., could play up and would compete for state titles (not every year) but choose not to. Therefor, they will play in front of 5,000 people at the X and not 18,000 (whatever the number is).

Yes, the section tournament in 7AA and 8AA would be great, and you would truely have the best teams from each section at state but Class A hockey would drift into non-existance. I happen to enjoy all hockey, A and AA, so moving all the best teams to AA would stink in some ways. That's just my two cents, but I do see what you mean and in many ways agree.

MNHockey75 wrote:I do see what you mean and in many ways agree.

You disagreed with everything that he said and then you say that with your last line. Pick a side and stick with it.

7AA , East,G Rapids,Bemidji,Brainerd,EG Forks,ThRiverFalls,Virginia,Moorhead,Aiken.
The True North
8AA Elk River,Anoka,FLake,St Cloud Tech, St Cloud Apollo,Cloquet,Hermentown,Duluth Marshall,Denfeld
The Middle North

[quote="spr air 210"]7AA , East,G Rapids,Bemidji,Brainerd,EG Forks,ThRiverFalls,Virginia,Moorhead,Aiken.
The True North
8AA Elk River,Anoka,FLake,St Cloud Tech, St Cloud Apollo,Cloquet,Hermentown,Duluth Marshall,Denfeld
The Middle North[/quote]

Not bad, except you can't put East and Cloquet in different sections. Separating rivals like that would be a sacrilege.

Goldy Gopher wrote:

MNHockey75 wrote:I do see what you mean and in many ways agree.

You disagreed with everything that he said and then you say that with your last line. Pick a side and stick with it.

Jeez...At the end, all I way trying to say is that I do see what he's trying to get at. It's a great idea in many ways. But when I look at the grand scheme of things, class A hockey would just suffer too much. And I happen to enjoy class A hockey just as much class AA hockey. That's all I'm trying to say here, but I understand where he is coming from. He wants to see the best play the best. If I'm not mistaken but didn't we try the Tier I and II thing? I personally think we have a good thing going here in Minnesota...and if you want to play in the X in front of 20,000 or so, then play up. You can't force them, unless they have the class size for it. Just so your sure, I'm taking the side of the way it is now. But like I stated earlier, they really need to find a way so the sections are not only even but have the neighboring towns together.

gatzke wrote:go 16 sections like youth hockey

Youth hockey has 12 districts.

spr air 210 wrote:7AA , East,G Rapids,Bemidji,Brainerd,EG Forks,ThRiverFalls,Virginia,Moorhead,Aiken.
The True North
8AA Elk River,Anoka,FLake,St Cloud Tech, St Cloud Apollo,Cloquet,Hermentown,Duluth Marshall,Denfeld
The Middle North

Your missing Roseau. The point of the thread is to get the cities teams out of "Northern" AA sections. They're not wanted. You need to remove ER, Anoka and Forest Lake.

Neutron 14 wrote:

spr air 210 wrote:7AA , East,G Rapids,Bemidji,Brainerd,EG Forks,ThRiverFalls,Virginia,Moorhead,Aiken.
The True North
8AA Elk River,Anoka,FLake,St Cloud Tech, St Cloud Apollo,Cloquet,Hermentown,Duluth Marshall,Denfeld
The Middle North

Your missing Roseau. The point of the thread is to get the cities teams out of "Northern" AA sections. They're not wanted. You need to remove ER, Anoka and Forest Lake.

Duh...

spr air 210 wrote:7AA , East,G Rapids,Bemidji,Brainerd,EG Forks,ThRiverFalls,Virginia,Moorhead,Aiken.
The True North

How can you put "Aiken" as a True North Hockey School

Please show me on a map where "Aiken" is, isn't he a country western singer

AS far as I know there isn't even an "Aiken" in Minnesota

Now if your talkin' the No. Lakes Coop, there is 1 or 2 kids from Aitkin on that team, but they are primarily from Pequot & Crosby and have no business playin' AA hockey

Syd

Syd nailed that one!


AY

Syd Barrett wrote:

spr air 210 wrote:7AA , East,G Rapids,Bemidji,Brainerd,EG Forks,ThRiverFalls,Virginia,Moorhead,Aiken.
The True North

How can you put "Aiken" as a True North Hockey School

Please show me on a map where "Aiken" is, isn't he a country western singer

AS far as I know there isn't even an "Aiken" in Minnesota

Now if your talkin' the No. Lakes Coop, there is 1 or 2 kids from Aitkin on that team, but they are primarily from Pequot & Crosby and have no business playin' AA hockey

Syd

Maybe he meant those boys were a bit sore after their AA schedule.

elliott70 wrote: Maybe he meant those boys were a bit sore after their AA schedule.

Either that or they play like Clay....

Neutron 14 wrote:

elliott70 wrote: Maybe he meant those boys were a bit sore after their AA schedule.

Either that or they play like Clay....

Too busy playing with their teammates sticks?

elliott70 wrote:In another thread,
Neutron wrote,

"Kinda hung up on this "north" thingy aren't you.

SECTION 7AA:
Andover, Anoka, Cambridge, Cloquet, Duluth East, Elk River, Forest Lake, Grand Rapids, St. Francis.

If you want a "north" section combine the "north" schools of 7AA and 8AA.

We'll create a back door section for cities teams."


What should be done; the MSHSL should change their rules to something like, the schools with highest 9-12 population 'within a section' or those wishing to opt up will be AA, all others A.

Then we could have
7AA with nine teams
Duluth East
Grand Rapids
Cloquet
Duluth Marshall
Hibbing
Hermantown
Virginia
Int'l. Falls
soon to Denfeld-Central coop.

and 8AA with nine teams
Roseau
Moorhead
Brainerd
Bemidji
St Cloud Tech
St Cloud Apollo
Aitkin CI etal coop
East Grand Forks
Thief River Falls
(and Warroad can stay in 8A).

Four sections in the cities.
One in the south

And an 8th spot for a back-door.

I like your thinking, The North should have a least 2 sections with NO southern subs.

elliott70 wrote:Then we could have
7AA with nine teams
Duluth East
Grand Rapids
Cloquet
Duluth Marshall
Hibbing
Hermantown
Virginia
Int'l. Falls
soon to Denfeld-Central coop.

That would be by far the toughest and deepest section in the state. Zero cupcakes - there could be ranked teams playing in the play-in game in many years.

Aitkin knows what hockey is? You mean that town knows something other than john deer tractors and wrestlin' in the mud with pigs?

PuckRanger wrote:

elliott70 wrote:Then we could have
7AA with nine teams
Duluth East
Grand Rapids
Cloquet
Duluth Marshall
Hibbing
Hermantown
Virginia
Int'l. Falls
soon to Denfeld-Central coop.

That would be by far the toughest and deepest section in the state. Zero cupcakes - there could be ranked teams playing in the play-in game in many years.

damn thatd be some good hockey to watch