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cheapshot wrote:who cares

I'm sure quite a few people do.

However...

This belongs in the junior forum.

The ice hawks are pretty sick. They are loaded every year with really good talent and they are the toast of the town. They are out drawing most of the NAHL teams by quite a bit. They are averaging over 1,400 fans this season and have already had two games with over 2,000 fans!

It's a great place to play Jr.s, lots of talk about them joining the NAHL, but who knows.

This league is not a good one, I have haerd from coaches that if you are lucky you will get a scout a game. Kids aren't getting a lot of exposure and college offers out of this league. One coach I talked to said that the MVP of the league last year didn't even get talked to.

puckinawsum wrote:This league is not a good one, I have haerd from coaches that if you are lucky you will get a scout a game. Kids aren't getting a lot of exposure and college offers out of this league. One coach I talked to said that the MVP of the league last year didn't even get talked to.

May not get many, if any, DI college scouts, but I have seen NAHL and USHL scouts at games. Its a good league to play in if you're not quite at the Tier II Junior A level yet and want to keep chasing your hockey dreams. The league does advance players to DIII college hockey.

By the way, a kid named Josh Turnbull once played for the Wisconsin Mustangs, as well as the Duluth East Greyhounds and the Waterloo Blackhawks before playing this year at the University of Wisconsin.

yea and clearly didn't belong. 27 pts in 8 games haha. That says nothing about the league and how good it is. If your not eligible for midgets or if your a HS grad and still want to play then yes that league is for you but the scouts are very limited.

You guys know nothing about this league...go watch the Ice Hawks play. 1,500 fans a game, TONS of scouts. In the past 6 years over 60 players advanced on to college hockey.

"I talked to a guy once and he said he knew about this one league and said it was bad."

I talk to players after every game in Rochester and they were studs in high school hockey and they say this is way better hockey. Some of the Ice Hawks were tendered/played in the NAHL and they say it's very close to the same play as the top teams in the MJ.

crash wrote:

You guys know nothing about this league...go watch the Ice Hawks play. 1,500 fans a game, TONS of scouts. In the past 6 years over 60 players advanced on to college hockey.
"I talked to a guy once and he said he knew about this one league and said it was bad."

I talk to players after every game in Rochester and they were studs in high school hockey and they say this is way better hockey. Some of the Ice Hawks were tendered/played in the NAHL and they say it's very close to the same play as the top teams in the MJ.

A) Yes, the Ice Hawks have fans...that's about it. They are a good team, but an outlier in this league. The league as a whole isn't the best and there is very little light at the end of the tunnel as far as advancing beyond a D-3 college.

B) Then why aren't they still on their NAHL team???

A) Because it's better to play in front of fans.

B) It's a better place to play then Alex, Fargo, Owatonna, or North Iowa and lets face it, unless your one of the top 15 or 20 players in the NAHL your going to play D-3 anyway, so why not PLAY jr's in a place where your going to develope under a good coaching staff and PLAY hockey, not sit in the stands or get jerked around by a NAHL team who's only looking to turn a buck.

C) Everyone love a winner

crash wrote:A) Because it's better to play in front of fans.

B) It's a better place to play then Alex, Fargo, Owatonna, or North Iowa and lets face it, unless your one of the top 15 or 20 players in the NAHL your going to play D-3 anyway, so why not PLAY jr's in a place where your going to develope under a good coaching staff and PLAY hockey, not sit in the stands or get jerked around by a NAHL team who's only looking to turn a buck.

C) Everyone love a winner

A) For a price of about $5000.00 a year for that development. I'd rather play NAHL for the cost savings and use that monies for the D-3 college tuition.

B) Good league if you want to keep playing after HS and can't play Junior A Tier I or II.

C) Nothing wrong with playing D-3 hockey. That is still a great college experience.

George, did you try out for the St. Johns squad or have aspirations of playing there?

RLstars - I haven't been in hockey shape a single day in my life. It's tough to play college hockey when you couldn't even hack it in high school hockey.


To crash...If the Ice Hawks were playing in the NAHL, why wouldn't they continue to have the same fan base? That way, they'd be playing better competition in front of those fans?

The individual players don't stop playing in the NAHL because they want to play in front of bigger crowds. That's just plain silly talk. They stop playing in the NAHL because they aren't good enough.

I enjoy watching MJHL games, but from a players standpoint, it's not that great of a league. The teams get knocked around by D-3 JV teams a lot.

Why would you play in the MJHL where they struggle to turn kids D-3, where in the NAHL they send kids to the USHL or D-1 frequently. At the very least, the NAHL will send kids to a D-3 hockey team.

All this said, I've been to all Granite City Lumberjacks home games but one. I enjoy watching the hockey in the MJHL. But crash, you seem to have the idea that these kids will be playing in the NHL, when in reality, they'll struggle to make a decent D-3 club.

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Crash,

It seems like you are pretty in tune with the Ice Hawks. Could you post a list of players currently on a roster at a higher level. I think after people see this they will have a better idea of what you are talking about.

Brett Bergau - University of Wisconsin-River Falls (NCHA) - NCAA D-III
Josh DeSmit - Lawrence University (MCHA) - NCAA D-III
Cory Ellertson - Augsburg College (MIAC) - NCAA D- III
Matt Hall - St. Mary's University (MIAC) - NCAA D- III
Jesse Johnston - University of Wisconsin-Stout (NCHA) - NCAA D-III
Alex Lundbohm - University of Wisconsin-River Falls (NCHA) - NCAA D-III
Chris Spracklen - Army (Atlantic Hockey) - NCAA D-I
James Gaulrapp - Minnesota State-Mankato (WCHA) - NCAA D-I
Joel Gaulrapp - University of Wisconsin-Stout (NCHA) - NCAA D-III
Thor Josefson - St. Olaf College (MIAC) - NCAA D-III
Derek Hansen - University of Wisconsin-Stout (NCHA) - NCAA D-III
Lincon Nguyen - St. Mary's College (MIAC) - NCAA D-III
Drew Smith - St. Mary's College (MIAC) - NCAA D-III
Joey Spracklen - Army (Atlantic Hockey) - NCAA Division I
Gordie Johnson - St. Mary's University (MIAC) - NCAA Division III
Earl Nikula - University of Minnesota-Crookston (MCHA) - NCAA D-III
Karl Renkie - St. Mary's University (MIAC) - NCAA D-III
Mike Schneider - University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire (NCHA) - NCAA D-III
Devan VanHouse- St. Mary's University (MIAC) - NCAA D-III
Brad Wiechmann - UW-Eau Claire (NCHA) - NCAA D-III
Travis VanDynHovan - St. Mary's (MCHA) - NCAA D-III
Carl Bresser - Marian (MCHA) - NCAA D-III
Brian Kennihan - Lawrence University (MCHA) - NCAA D-III
Adam Meyer - Fayetteville FireAntz - SPHL - PRO
Erik LaRock - St. Mary's University -(MIAC) - NCAA D-III
Kent Detlefsen - Alaska (NAHL)
Jerry Freismuth - Alexandria (NAHL)
Mike Licktieg - Alexandria (NAHL)
Jon MacRae - Alexandria (NAHL)

I know I am missing a few but this is a pretty good start.

Extra note from the MJHL website
11/15/07
Joel Gaulrapp (Owatonna) is D-III’s leading scorer with 7 goals/7 assists, 14pts. Derek Hanson (Bemidji) leads the D-III colleges in goals with 10 and is tied for 3rd place in overall scoring with 12 pts. Jesse Johnston is a defenseman for the 7-0 Blue Devils. Another Ice Hawk alum, Bryan Cummings (Austin) joined Stout this season as an Assitant Coach to handle the defense. Cummings played with 1997-98 Ice Hawks prior to starring at Stout and a professional career in the UHL. Stout’s roster includes a total of eight former MJHL players.

I think this should be a pretty clear indication of what the team has done recently. Say what you will but that list (even though about three of those kids aren't playing anymore) is what that league is about. Moving kids on and Rochester appears to have done a great job at that.

....and a hush falls over the crowd.

I talked to Coach Fatis last night and also got this bit of info corrected that GB said.

The Ice Hawks are 37-2 vs the MIAC JV teams in the past 12 seasons. They lost to St. John's in 97/98 and to Bethel in 02/03. Last season they went 4-0 vs Bethel and St. Mary's out scoring them 20-7 without using the Ice Hawks MJHL lineup.

I don't think you know much about this or any league if you don't think these kids are close to as good if not as good as the NAHL. Look around, the kids from the Ice Hawks that are in the NAHL were not even the best players on the Ice Hawks and they are some of the top players for their NAHL teams!

crash wrote:....and a hush falls over the crowd.

Like I already said, the Ice Hawks are not the entire league. They have had success and props to them. That doesn't make the league good. But, like I already said, they are an EXTREME outlier in this league. The league is not a top-notch junior league, and it's pointless to argue with someone who thinks that it is....that's why there was a hush falling over the crowd...

That and facts are against you, the Ice Hawks are a solid Tier 2 Jr A program, but they charge($2,500 i think) so they are T-3. You'll see more Rochester kids staying home over going to play in the NAHL because with the cost of housing and the falling number of D-1 players coming out of the league it will cost less to live at home and play for the Hawks then to play in the NAHL.

Your facts are not even against me...you have come up with one team that has had success sending players to mostly D-3 schools and I know that several of those kids never/rarely touch the ice for those D-3 teams.

You're saying the the league is so great just because of the success of one team. The league itself is not that great. There are two good teams in the league this year these two teams are obviously the top tier of this league. After that, there are a couple of OK teams at best then a bunch of downright brutal clubs.

Once again, the hush was a result of trying to argue with someone who doesn't have a sniff.

I bet 90% of what you said in your posts in this thread in incorrect, who's got a sniff eh?

crash wrote:I bet 90% of what you said in your posts in this thread in incorrect, who's got a sniff eh?

Hey Crash, instead of guessing, prove that what George said was wrong. I'll give you one to prove me wrong about: 80% of the players in the Tier III league couldn't make a practice squad for the NAHL. Of course, there are exceptions, and after a year of maturing, they might do it next year..

This Tier III is nothing but Junior B dressed up to look like Junior A. It sounds like Rochester needs to step up and join the NAHL, and then you'll see how bad the rest of the Tier III league really is.

crash wrote:I bet 90% of what you said in your posts in this thread in incorrect, who's got a sniff eh?

I don't know if you can possibly be wrong on opinion.

The Ice Hawks are a good MJHL team, that is something we can agree on. But they are not every team in the MJHL. They are far better than every team in the MJ. That's why they've won the league something like three times in a row.

Everything I've said is correct. Which is not 90% more than the 10% you've given me.

You're an Ice Hawks fan, I get it. I understand why you are so blind to reality.

crash wrote:A) Because it's better to play in front of fans.

B) It's a better place to play then Alex, Fargo, Owatonna, or North Iowa and lets face it, unless your one of the top 15 or 20 players in the NAHL your going to play D-3 anyway, so why not PLAY jr's in a place where your going to develope under a good coaching staff and PLAY hockey, not sit in the stands or get jerked around by a NAHL team who's only looking to turn a buck.

C) Everyone love a winner

2006-2007 College Commitments (D-1) from the NAHL

Jeff Dimmen - University of Maine (Hockey East, D1)
Adam Kraus - Boston University (Hockey East, D1)
Brad McCabe - University of Alaska-Anchorage (WCHA, D1)
Joe Calvi Bentley College (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Dustin Carlson Ohio State University (CCHA, D1)
Rylan Galiardi Minnesota State-Mankato (WCHA, D1)
Shawn Hunwick University of Michigan (CCHA, D1)
Drew Pierson Army (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Eric Roman Wayne State University (CHA, D1)
Todd Rudasill Ohio State University (CCHA, D1)
Tim Krystosek United States Air Force Academy (Hockey East, D1)
Nick Haddad University of Alaska-Anchorage (WCHA, D1)
Travis Hamway Wayne State University (CHA, D1)
Craig Johnson University of Wisconsin (WCHA, D1)
Kenny Reiter University of Minnesota-Duluth (WCHA, D1)
Eddie Samuels University of Connecticut (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Kyle Schmidt University of Minnesota-Duluth (WCHA, D1)
Joe Shean Michigan State University (CCHA, D1)
Ryan Adams Wayne State University (CHA, D1)
Matt Becker United States Air Force Academy (Hockey East, D1)
Ryan Cramer Bemidji State University (CHA, D1)
Jesse Echternach Mercyhurst College (CHA, D1)
Austin Lee Minnesota State-Mankato (WCHA, D1)
Dustin Cloutier Bentley College (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Chris Fairbanks University of Alabama-Huntsville (CHA, D1)
Mike Fillinger Ferris State University (CCHA, D1)
Nathan Longpre Robert Morris University (CHA, D1)
Matt Quigley Northeastern University (Hockey East, D1)
Ryan Zapolski Mercyhurst College (CHA, D1)
Nick Kosinski Northern Michigan University (CCHA, D1)
Bret Larson Army (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Jay Clark Army (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Steve McLeod American International College (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Stu Bickel University of Minnesota (WCHA, D1)
Jeff Carlson University of Alaska-Anchorage (WCHA, D1)
Ryan Guentzel University of Notre Dame (CCHA, D1)
Dusty Jackson University of Denver (WCHA, D1)
Scott Kozlak United States Air Force Academy (Hockey East, D1)
Mike Montgomery University of Minnesota-Duluth (WCHA, D1)
Sean Murphy RIT (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Jamie Ruff Bemidji State University (CHA, D1)
Kevin Wright United States Air Force Academy (Hockey East, D1)
Andrew Berecz Wayne State University (CHA, D1)
Christian Hmura Wayne State University (CHA, D1)
Adam Roy Holy Cross (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Brad Sellers United States Air Force Academy (Hockey East, D1)
Chris Waterstradt University of Connecticut (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Ryan Blair University of Massachusetts-Lowell (Hockey East, D1)
Derek Danowski Canisius College (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Jeff Dimmen University of Maine (Hockey East, D1)
John Kennedy RPI (ECACHL, D1)
Pat Knowlton Sacred Heart University (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Mike Levendusky Western Michigan University (CCHA, D1)
Pat Nagle Ferris State University (CCHA, D1)
Todd Pococke Ferris State University (CCHA, D1)
Phil Rauch Canisius College (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Scooter Vaughan University of Michigan (CCHA, D1)
Matt Zuke Canisius College (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Adam Flink Western Michigan University (CCHA, D1)
Brad McCabe University of Alaska-Anchorage (WCHA, D1)
Brian Reagan University of Connecticut (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Jared Brown Northern Michigan University (CCHA, D1)
Nate Hennig Ferris State University (CCHA, D1)
Jason Krispel University of Connecticut (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Tibor Kutalek University of Alaska-Fairbanks (CCHA, D1)
Cody Omilusik Army (Atlantic Hockey, D1)
Rafael Rodriguez Robert Morris University (CHA, D1)
David Solway Bowling Green State University (CCHA, D1)
Patrick Nagorsen Western Michigan University (CCHA, D1)
Travis Paeth Western Michigan University (CCHA, D1)
Phil Partyka Wayne State University (CHA, D1)
Anthony Schooley Michigan Tech University (CCHA, D1)
Chris Nutini University of Denver (WCHA, D1)
John Albert Ohio State University (CCHA, D1)
Mike Cichy University of North Dakota (WCHA, D1) *
Ian Cole University of Notre Dame (CCHA, D1)
Kelen Corkum University of Maine (Hockey East, D1) *
Robbie Czarnik University of Michigan (CCHA, D1) *
Cade Fairchild University of Minnesota (WCHA, D1)
Justin Florek Northern Michigan University (CCHA, D1) *
Patrick Gaul University of Notre Dame (CCHA, D1) *
Jimmy Hayes Boston College (Hockey East, D1)
Ryan Hayes Boston College (Hockey East, D1)
Mike Hoeffel University of Minnesota (WCHA, D1)
Danny Kristo University of North Dakota (WCHA, D1) *
Joe Lavin Providence College (Hockey East, D1)
Sam Lofquist University of Minnesota (WCHA, D1) *
Sean Lorenz University of Notre Dame (CCHA, D1) *
Brad Phillips University of Notre Dame (CCHA, D1)
Nick Pryor University of Wisconsin (WCHA, D1) *
Matt Rust University of Michigan (CCHA, D1)
Teddy Ruth University of Notre Dame (CCHA, D1)
Jordan Schroeder University of Minnesota (WCHA, D1) *
Grant Scott University of Minnesota (WCHA, D1) *
C.J. Severyn Ohio State University (CCHA, D1)
Kevin Shattenkirk Boston University (Hockey East, D1)
A.J. Sturges Michigan State University (CCHA, D1)
Justin Vaive Miami University (CCHA, D1)
James van Riemsdyk University of New Hampshire (Hockey East, D1)
Steven West Ohio State University (CCHA, D1) *
Colin Wilson Boston University (Hockey East, D1)
David Wohlberg University of Michigan (CCHA, D1)

73 of those are from teams other than the NTDP U17 team that plays in the NAHL. But I thought I'd leave them in there.

Whether you want to count that number as 73 or 102 that's a lot more than the 15 or 20 players you claimed would play D-1 after the NAHL.

That's just one years (last year) worth of commitments from the NAHL.

So, I guess that makes the NAHL a little better than the MJHL. But that's just my opinion.