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Does anyone have the OS Fall League Schedule or a link to it?

twowayplay wrote:Does anyone have the OS Fall League Schedule or a link to it?

I don't think it is posted anywhere yet. My daughter is participating and we received our schedule by private e-mail.

To my knowledge the B&AGEL composite schedule (coordinated by Os) has not been released. Hopefully will be soon...

ghshockeyfan wrote:To my knowledge the B&AGEL composite schedule (coordinated by Os) has not been released. Hopefully will be soon...

Games start Monday Sept 17th...

There are games this weekend....

U19 Schwan Blues vs. SSM 16/19 @ SSM Sat...

ghshockeyfan wrote:There are games this weekend....

U19 Schwan Blues vs. SSM 16/19 @ SSM Sat...

Always being corrected

Last night in the game between the OS Extreme and the Ice Cats, a player from the OS team did the unthinkable. While the player from the Ice Cats was in the process of returning to her skates, off balanced and facing the boards, the player from OS intentionally (without a doubt and with malice) crosschecked her from behind sending her head first into the boards. It was as ghastly (and cowardly) of an act that I have seen in quite awhile. This is how players get seriously hurt. Does anyone know if there was any disciplinary action taken? I think it would be to Os's best interest to investigate this incident and respond accordingly. I don't think it would take much of an effort since the person in charge of the league was coaching the OS team at the time. Furthermore, does anyone know if the injured player is okay?

I was not at the game. But really sounds like an aberration from typical girls hockey. Have watched girls hockey since 1995 and have never witnessed a check from behind that was "intentional and with malice." Really very surprising to hear about this incident, since most of these players have played with and against each other for years, and are usually petty good friends.

xwildfan wrote:I was not at the game. But really sounds like an aberration from typical girls hockey. Have watched girls hockey since 1995 and have never witnessed a check from behind that was "intentional and with malice." Really very surprising to hear about this incident, since most of these players have played with and against each other for years, and are usually petty good friends.

Would agree that this is an aberration in girls hockey, but if the description of what happened is true there is simply no excuse for these kinds of dangerous cheap shots. Again if hockeyheaven's description of what took place is accurate you would hope the situation is looked into and the offending player is dealt with accordingly. You really hate to see any player get seriously hurt, especially on this kind of play and especially just before the high school season starts. The purpose of the league is to help prepare the players for the upcoming season, and we certainly all hope the injured player is OK.

hockeyheaven wrote:Last night in the game between the OS Extreme and the Ice Cats, a player from the OS team did the unthinkable. While the player from the Ice Cats was in the process of returning to her skates, off balanced and facing the boards, the player from OS intentionally (without a doubt and with malice) crosschecked her from behind sending her head first into the boards. It was as ghastly (and cowardly) of an act that I have seen in quite awhile. This is how players get seriously hurt. Does anyone know if there was any disciplinary action taken? I think it would be to Os's best interest to investigate this incident and respond accordingly. I don't think it would take much of an effort since the person in charge of the league was coaching the OS team at the time. Furthermore, does anyone know if the injured player is okay?

Lets just say that there was an incident. A penalty was called and the game moved on. I didn't see it clearly but it appeared to me that the Ice Cat girl made a kicking motion with her skate and the OS girl then pushed the Ice Cat girl down with a cross check. I didn't see any head first into the boards. I did see the Ice Cats coaches yelling at the OS girl which I thought was inappropriate. Remember there are always two sides to a story. I don't know if the Ice Cat girl intentionally tried to kick the OS girl and I don't if there was any malice involved since I am not a mind reader.

OntheEdge wrote:

hockeyheaven wrote:Last night in the game between the OS Extreme and the Ice Cats, a player from the OS team did the unthinkable. While the player from the Ice Cats was in the process of returning to her skates, off balanced and facing the boards, the player from OS intentionally (without a doubt and with malice) crosschecked her from behind sending her head first into the boards. It was as ghastly (and cowardly) of an act that I have seen in quite awhile. This is how players get seriously hurt. Does anyone know if there was any disciplinary action taken? I think it would be to Os's best interest to investigate this incident and respond accordingly. I don't think it would take much of an effort since the person in charge of the league was coaching the OS team at the time. Furthermore, does anyone know if the injured player is okay?

Lets just say that there was an incident. A penalty was called and the game moved on. I didn't see it clearly but it appeared to me that the Ice Cat girl made a kicking motion with her skate and the OS girl then pushed the Ice Cat girl down with a cross check. I didn't see any head first into the boards. I did see the Ice Cats coaches yelling at the OS girl which I thought was inappropriate. Remember there are always two sides to a story. I don't know if the Ice Cat girl intentionally tried to kick the OS girl and I don't if there was any malice involved since I am not a mind reader.

Two sides to the story... Really...that's what you are going with? There is no real defense for that kind of behavior, period. You didn't need to be a mind reader to understand what the OS player had in mind. Unlike you, I had a great view of the event and my opinion was that the IC player was simply trying to get up. If she did indeed "intentionally" tried to kick her it was not apparent to me or the other spectators who openly gasped when the OS player viciously attacked the IC player. Listening to the coaches afterward they also described a vulgar, profanity laced exchange from the OS player that sounded like it would make a sailor blush. Aggressive play is part of the game. I understand players are going to get hurt. That’s what makes this incident different. This act was done with intent to harm. There is no place in this game for that kind of behavior, period.

hockeyheaven wrote:

OntheEdge wrote:

hockeyheaven wrote:Last night in the game between the OS Extreme and the Ice Cats, a player from the OS team did the unthinkable. While the player from the Ice Cats was in the process of returning to her skates, off balanced and facing the boards, the player from OS intentionally (without a doubt and with malice) crosschecked her from behind sending her head first into the boards. It was as ghastly (and cowardly) of an act that I have seen in quite awhile. This is how players get seriously hurt. Does anyone know if there was any disciplinary action taken? I think it would be to Os's best interest to investigate this incident and respond accordingly. I don't think it would take much of an effort since the person in charge of the league was coaching the OS team at the time. Furthermore, does anyone know if the injured player is okay?

Lets just say that there was an incident. A penalty was called and the game moved on. I didn't see it clearly but it appeared to me that the Ice Cat girl made a kicking motion with her skate and the OS girl then pushed the Ice Cat girl down with a cross check. I didn't see any head first into the boards. I did see the Ice Cats coaches yelling at the OS girl which I thought was inappropriate. Remember there are always two sides to a story. I don't know if the Ice Cat girl intentionally tried to kick the OS girl and I don't if there was any malice involved since I am not a mind reader.

Two sides to the story... Really...that's what you are going with? There is no real defense for that kind of behavior, period. You didn't need to be a mind reader to understand what the OS player had in mind. Unlike you, I had a great view of the event and my opinion was that the IC player was simply trying to get up. If she did indeed "intentionally" tried to kick her it was not apparent to me or the other spectators who openly gasped when the OS player viciously attacked the IC player. Listening to the coaches afterward they also described a vulgar, profanity laced exchange from the OS player that sounded like it would make a sailor blush. Aggressive play is part of the game. I understand players are going to get hurt. That’s what makes this incident different. This act was done with intent to harm. There is no place in this game for that kind of behavior, period.

I heard some of the exchange. I heard the OS girl say "she tried to kick me" and I heard the Ice Cats coaches yelling. I didn't hear any profanity from anyone. I think you need to let it go.

I was at the game and talked to the Ice Cat coaches. The coach that was running the door said, "the player wasn't trying to kick, but just get up; however if she was a ref she may have construed it as kicking just by the way it looked." The OS player said some words that were unbelievable and clearly cross checked the player from behind. After it happend she tried to justify it to the refs that she was "kicked".
Had the coach not been opening the door the player would have went into the door with out any give(she was about 3 feet away when the incidnet occured), therefor there would have been major injuries. HOwever, the door gave and the landing was softer. The Ice cat coaches told the player to keep her mouth shut and get back to her bench and that was a cheap play. They were also telling their own players to get back on the bench as the play happened right near their bench and the situation could have esclated. Any coach in that situation would have said the same thing. Especially since they just saw one of their players almost break their neck. I have been around womens' hockey for 20 years and that was the worst play I have EVER seen, just by the premeditation of the play. With that being said I hope the OS coaches talked with the player and EVERYBODY learned from the situation. These are 14-16 year old kids and people make mistakes. Hopefully the Ice Cat coaches talked to the player about what may have been a kick-again a dangerous play. And I hope the OS coaches talked to their player that you can't hit people from behind like that. There is not a place in the game for that.

gopher25 wrote:I was at the game and talked to the Ice Cat coaches. The coach that was running the door said, "the player wasn't trying to kick, but just get up; however if she was a ref she may have construed it as kicking just by the way it looked." The OS player said some words that were unbelievable and clearly cross checked the player from behind. After it happend she tried to justify it to the refs that she was "kicked".
Had the coach not been opening the door the player would have went into the door with out any give(she was about 3 feet away when the incidnet occured), therefor there would have been major injuries. HOwever, the door gave and the landing was softer. The Ice cat coaches told the player to keep her mouth shut and get back to her bench and that was a cheap play. They were also telling their own players to get back on the bench as the play happened right near their bench and the situation could have esclated. Any coach in that situation would have said the same thing. Especially since they just saw one of their players almost break their neck. I have been around womens' hockey for 20 years and that was the worst play I have EVER seen, just by the premeditation of the play. With that being said I hope the OS coaches talked with the player and EVERYBODY learned from the situation. These are 14-16 year old kids and people make mistakes. Hopefully the Ice Cat coaches talked to the player about what may have been a kick-again a dangerous play. And I hope the OS coaches talked to their player that you can't hit people from behind like that. There is not a place in the game for that.

Agreed except that I have to say that I've seen worse plays.

OntheEdge wrote:

hockeyheaven wrote:

OntheEdge wrote: Lets just say that there was an incident. A penalty was called and the game moved on. I didn't see it clearly but it appeared to me that the Ice Cat girl made a kicking motion with her skate and the OS girl then pushed the Ice Cat girl down with a cross check. I didn't see any head first into the boards. I did see the Ice Cats coaches yelling at the OS girl which I thought was inappropriate. Remember there are always two sides to a story. I don't know if the Ice Cat girl intentionally tried to kick the OS girl and I don't if there was any malice involved since I am not a mind reader.

Two sides to the story... Really...that's what you are going with? There is no real defense for that kind of behavior, period. You didn't need to be a mind reader to understand what the OS player had in mind. Unlike you, I had a great view of the event and my opinion was that the IC player was simply trying to get up. If she did indeed "intentionally" tried to kick her it was not apparent to me or the other spectators who openly gasped when the OS player viciously attacked the IC player. Listening to the coaches afterward they also described a vulgar, profanity laced exchange from the OS player that sounded like it would make a sailor blush. Aggressive play is part of the game. I understand players are going to get hurt. That’s what makes this incident different. This act was done with intent to harm. There is no place in this game for that kind of behavior, period.

I heard some of the exchange. I heard the OS girl say "she tried to kick me" and I heard the Ice Cats coaches yelling. I didn't hear any profanity from anyone. I think you need to let it go.

Yes, I believe we just as well should all just let it go. Only it's scary to hear you’ve seen worse. Why, only because the girl wasn’t seriously injured?

Just a thought, you would think that someone with the author title "on the edge" you would be a little more sensitive to someone pushing from behind.

hockeyheaven wrote:

OntheEdge wrote:

hockeyheaven wrote: Two sides to the story... Really...that's what you are going with? There is no real defense for that kind of behavior, period. You didn't need to be a mind reader to understand what the OS player had in mind. Unlike you, I had a great view of the event and my opinion was that the IC player was simply trying to get up. If she did indeed "intentionally" tried to kick her it was not apparent to me or the other spectators who openly gasped when the OS player viciously attacked the IC player. Listening to the coaches afterward they also described a vulgar, profanity laced exchange from the OS player that sounded like it would make a sailor blush. Aggressive play is part of the game. I understand players are going to get hurt. That’s what makes this incident different. This act was done with intent to harm. There is no place in this game for that kind of behavior, period.

I heard some of the exchange. I heard the OS girl say "she tried to kick me" and I heard the Ice Cats coaches yelling. I didn't hear any profanity from anyone. I think you need to let it go.

Yes, I believe we just as well should all just let it go. Only it's scary to hear you’ve seen worse. Why, only because the girl wasn’t seriously injured?

Just a thought, you would think that someone with the author title "on the edge" you would be a little more sensitive to someone pushing from behind.

Pushing from behind is inappropriate and potentially dangerous and that's why there is a misconduct penalty for checking from behind. Kicking is also inappropriate and dangerous and that is why a person who kicks is supposed to be ejected. Coaches yelling at opposing players is inapropriate. Without justifying or imposing my opinion on what was the intent of the players in question, I think it was an inappropriate action. I am not minimizing this incident by saying I've seen worse but just stating a fact. I think we've all seen kids riding a prone player head first into the boards which is very scary and worse than what I saw at this scrimmage. Again this isn't a justification for anyone. Lets all let it go and let the coaches and referees deal with the situation so that it doesn't happen again.

hockeyheaven wrote:

OntheEdge wrote:

hockeyheaven wrote: Two sides to the story... Really...that's what you are going with? There is no real defense for that kind of behavior, period. You didn't need to be a mind reader to understand what the OS player had in mind. Unlike you, I had a great view of the event and my opinion was that the IC player was simply trying to get up. If she did indeed "intentionally" tried to kick her it was not apparent to me or the other spectators who openly gasped when the OS player viciously attacked the IC player. Listening to the coaches afterward they also described a vulgar, profanity laced exchange from the OS player that sounded like it would make a sailor blush. Aggressive play is part of the game. I understand players are going to get hurt. That’s what makes this incident different. This act was done with intent to harm. There is no place in this game for that kind of behavior, period.

I heard some of the exchange. I heard the OS girl say "she tried to kick me" and I heard the Ice Cats coaches yelling. I didn't hear any profanity from anyone. I think you need to let it go.

Yes, I believe we just as well should all just let it go. Only it's scary to hear you’ve seen worse. Why, only because the girl wasn’t seriously injured?

Just a thought, you would think that someone with the author title "on the edge" you would be a little more sensitive to someone pushing from behind.

Sorry in re-reading your post I think you were poking a little fun at my moniker. The reason I chose "On the Edge" was for the dual meaning of skating edge and being close to the insanity edge with all the hockey work I do.

As far as seeing worse, I have seen lots of things over the years so I'm not too easily appalled. Just a sample:

1. I've seen a couple situations in which girls are on a breakaway and get knocked off thier skates only to squarely hit the post at a high speed.

2. I've seen girls kick a few times which is one action that scares me a lot since skates are very sharp and could cause serious injury.

3. I've seen one situation where a girl got frustrated and tomahawked another player over the head (by the way the ref didn't see it)

4. I've seen many checking from behind plays that were worse than the one at Richfield.

5. I've seen a girl hooked from behind around the neck and pulled down.

6. I've seen instances of players clothes lining skaters as they blow by them.

7. I've seen spearing.

I could go on but the reason I said I've seen worse is that I have a pet peave against hyperbole. Only the girls involved truly know what happened. The incident was clearly inappropriate but the rest of us can only guess as to the intent etc.

Agree with On The Edge. I too have seen all the examples mentioned. This summer, I saw an Ice Cat player do pretty much the same thing the OS girl is said to have done here. IMO, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Its like the fan who screams their head off when a bad call is made against their team, but quietly accepts the bad calls made in their favor. My advice to the Ice Cat Coaches (and all coaches): Mind the actions of your own players. Let the opposing team take care of theirs. If you both do your jobs as coaches, we'd have much fewer of these incidents.

Is there a web site that keeps track of the teams, scores, standings, etc.?

MNHockeyFan wrote:Is there a web site that keeps track of the teams, scores, standings, etc.?

I don't think so. I think OS views this league as developmental. I think its purpose is to provide girls with a challenging hockey experience with some of the best players. Even though some people want to know the scores winning is not the point or the emphasis of the league. The clock is running time and the entire ice time is used. Last year they didn't even keep score.

OntheEdge wrote:

MNHockeyFan wrote:Is there a web site that keeps track of the teams, scores, standings, etc.?

I don't think so. I think OS views this league as developmental. I think its purpose is to provide girls with a challenging hockey experience with some of the best players. Even though some people want to know the scores winning is not the point or the emphasis of the league. The clock is running time and the entire ice time is used. Last year they didn't even keep score.

I know what you mean, yesterday one of the teams only had 6 skaters show up, whereas the opponent had about 19. They asked for volunteers as to who wanted to switch, and only one or two raised their hands. So it was something like 17 skaters against 8, but the score only ended up 1-0. I agree that the purpose is to just to provide a challenging hockey experience and maybe also help the individuals get ready for the winter season/tryouts.

MNHockeyFan wrote:

OntheEdge wrote:

MNHockeyFan wrote:Is there a web site that keeps track of the teams, scores, standings, etc.?

I don't think so. I think OS views this league as developmental. I think its purpose is to provide girls with a challenging hockey experience with some of the best players. Even though some people want to know the scores winning is not the point or the emphasis of the league. The clock is running time and the entire ice time is used. Last year they didn't even keep score.

I know what you mean, yesterday one of the teams only had 6 skaters show up, whereas the opponent had about 19. They asked for volunteers as to who wanted to switch, and only one or two raised their hands. So it was something like 17 skaters against 8, but the score only ended up 1-0. I agree that the purpose is to just to provide a challenging hockey experience and maybe also help the individuals get ready for the winter season/tryouts.

We run the same thing in the NEWHL; scores are kept, but only for the purposes of seeding come the "playoffs". Stats are not kept. And if there are girls missing for whatever reason, some are taken from the other team, whether they like it of not. If one team starts tooling on the other, players are moved, whether they like it or not. Ultimately the balance results in close games, and the girls have fun and go away happy.

Hux wrote:

MNHockeyFan wrote:

OntheEdge wrote: I don't think so. I think OS views this league as developmental. I think its purpose is to provide girls with a challenging hockey experience with some of the best players. Even though some people want to know the scores winning is not the point or the emphasis of the league. The clock is running time and the entire ice time is used. Last year they didn't even keep score.

I know what you mean, yesterday one of the teams only had 6 skaters show up, whereas the opponent had about 19. They asked for volunteers as to who wanted to switch, and only one or two raised their hands. So it was something like 17 skaters against 8, but the score only ended up 1-0. I agree that the purpose is to just to provide a challenging hockey experience and maybe also help the individuals get ready for the winter season/tryouts.

We run the same thing in the NEWHL; scores are kept, but only for the purposes of seeding come the "playoffs". Stats are not kept. And if there are girls missing for whatever reason, some are taken from the other team, whether they like it of not. If one team starts tooling on the other, players are moved, whether they like it or not. Ultimately the balance results in close games, and the girls have fun and go away happy.

I too think its a good thing that the games are close. Unlike summer AAA where it seems that stacking teams is the preference, the point of this league is to make it as close and challenging as possible. In the summer, there are a few stacked teams, some very weak teams and middle of the road teams. The summer games are not always the best developmental experience especially for the stacked teams since the girls aren't being challenged. I think the OS structure is better from a develpmental standpoint than our summer AAA. From what I've been hearing other than a few games most games have been well played and challenging for all the teams.

On the Edge wrote: "Unlike summer AAA where it seems that stacking teams is the preference, the point of this league is to make it as close and challenging as possible. ... I think the OS structure is better from a develpmental standpoint than our summer AAA."

Please explain to me the difference between AAA summer hockey and the "OS structure" when this year all OS did was take pre-existing AAA hockey teams and form a league with them.

The only difference I see in the U19 from summer to now, is in the teams that were loaded with college players arn't in the league, or have a lot of new faces. Riley ice cats, pink panthers, wild Duffy, Walser White, all tops players went off to college. The teams that had all high school players are the same as summer. Like the Jr white Caps, Ice Cats (Perushek,Press), Walser Blue. Not sure about the blues, their roster changed from tournament to tournament, but i'm sure their college players are gone also.