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Woodbury seems to have a lot of players playing out of Woodbury HS - 13. WOW would that be a great Woodbury team with the players that are at Woodbury HS.

This looks like a large number but are there other communities who have more? Bloomington, White Bear or Sibley?

Kelsay Romatoski, Holy Angels, JR – D
Erin Gallagher, Hill Murray, SR – D
Jessica Harren, Hill Murray, JR – F
Casey Knajdek, Hill Murray, JR – D
Maggie McDowell, Hill Murray, SO – F
Maggie Pendleton, Hill Murray, SO – D
Kayla Kozlowski, Hill Murray, SO – F
Alison McKeever, Hill Murray, 9 – G
Teona Zepeda, Hill Murray, 8 – F
Nicole Welch, Cretin Derham Hall, SR – F
Callie Strom, North St. Paul, SR – G
Lisa Tuuri, Stillwater, SO – F
Kari Lundberg, Minnesota Thoroughbreds U19AAA - SO - F

It looks to me like a very average team with a couple very good players. I only see 2 that I would say left Woodbury for hockey, I think the rest left Woodbury for the education. People can keep wishing and dreaming that players would stay at there "home schools" but trying to stop people from doing what they feel is best for there kids is like trying to stop people from moving west after gold was discovered.

I agree with joehockey, and I think we as parents need to lead by example. I say that we all quit our jobs, and only take jobs in our home community. Furthermore I don't see the need to go outside our community for any reason hospitals, colleges, goods & supplies, should all be attended/purchased in our home community. I think we need to start the push now to teach this younger generation the advantages of staying at home. Anybody see "The Village" wow what a perfect world that was! Sorry for the crappy movie reference, but it helps me think I got something for my 8 bucks a long time ago. Quick I think we should close down all roads that lead out of our home communities, and build walls to keep the kids in. I could go on, but I better head to Home Depot to start buying the wall supplies......who's with me?

Ouch. Those are big numbers regardless of talent level. Plus Woodbury will have the new school cutting into the talent.

I’m back, as it turns out the Home Depot is in the neighboring community. I could buy the supplies there, but I think it would be counterproductive. I tried to find the stuff I need to build my walls in my home community, but to no avail. I don’t know what to do, how can we keep the kids home if I can’t build the walls?

allhoc11 wrote:I agree with joehockey, and I think we as parents need to lead by example. I say that we all quit our jobs, and only take jobs in our home community. Furthermore I don't see the need to go outside our community for any reason hospitals, colleges, goods & supplies, should all be attended/purchased in our home community. I think we need to start the push now to teach this younger generation the advantages of staying at home. Anybody see "The Village" wow what a perfect world that was! Sorry for the crappy movie reference, but it helps me think I got something for my 8 bucks a long time ago. Quick I think we should close down all roads that lead out of our home communities, and build walls to keep the kids in. I could go on, but I better head to Home Depot to start buying the wall supplies......who's with me?

I guess I must be missing something. I thought JoeHockey was merely making the case that Woodbury would have been a pretty good team if they kept all of their talent. Maybe I'm wrong but I didn't think he was making a case for shutting down transfers. I think the tone I am reading into your post is a bit harsh.

Unfortunately the talent in girls hockey is unevenly spread among communities. As the talent pool gets bigger then the movement of good players will lessen. There are some players transferring to be on better teams however I think most transfers are for reasons other than hockey and the "transfer problem" is greatly exaggerated.

I couldn't agree more about the transfer problem being exagerated. If the list that he had posted had been of a group of super stars that went to other schools so that they could be an all star team I could see the problem but from what I seen it was a list of normal girls that have families that just want to do what they feel is best for their kids education. this type of movement can't and shouldn't stopped

hockeygod wrote:

I couldn't agree more about the transfer problem being exagerated. If the list that he had posted had been of a group of super stars that went to other schools so that they could be an all star team I could see the problem but from what I seen it was a list of normal girls that have families that just want to do what they feel is best for their kids education. this type of movement can't and shouldn't stopped

joehockey never once mentions the word 'problem' in his post or in any way casts aspersions on transfering or attending private schools outside the Woodbury school district. He might just as easily be praising Woodbury youth hockey for raising a great group of girls. Get the wax out of your ears people! What this does is cast aspersions on your own educations since you can't read! And joehockey, if I'm not mistaken, shouldn't Kelly Wild also be on the list, and if so, she would be the best of the bunch.

Over the recent years, I think Wayzata would have that list beat. And the high school program remains pretty successful even so.

joehockey wrote: This looks like a large numbers but are there other communities who have more? Bloomington, White Bear or Sibley?

The question was also posed whether other communities are similar?

Are we talking girls that go to Private Schools, open enrollees or transfers? If we're talking transfers (ie as the MSHL now currently defines it -- someone who moves after the start of 9th grade), I can't think of a single player who has transferred FROM Wayzata. In fact, from my accounting Wayzata is +1, by virtue of transfer Christina Lee. The legacy this player left is still being felt positively in the Wayzata program.

If we're talking other players, let's take Katherine Chute as the most notable example. Last time I was in the Blake arena, I noticed a long list of Chutes on the Blake hockey honor board that go quite a way back. It seemed to me that Katherine was destined to play for Blake. She was no more a player for Wayzata to lose than Wayne Gretzky. Maybe it just seems like Wayzata has lost the most hockey talent because they. complain the most Most of the girls that go to private schools have done so since the beginning.

Bensonmum wrote:hockeygod wrote:

I couldn't agree more about the transfer problem being exagerated. If the list that he had posted had been of a group of super stars that went to other schools so that they could be an all star team I could see the problem but from what I seen it was a list of normal girls that have families that just want to do what they feel is best for their kids education. this type of movement can't and shouldn't stopped

joehockey never once mentions the word 'problem' in his post or in any way casts aspersions on transfering or attending private schools outside the Woodbury school district. He might just as easily be praising Woodbury youth hockey for raising a great group of girls. Get the wax out of your ears people! What this does is cast aspersions on your own educations since you can't read! And joehockey, if I'm not mistaken, shouldn't Kelly Wild also be on the list, and if so, she would be the best of the bunch.

Kelly Wild would play for Henry Sibley if she went to her local High School.

Thunderbird77 wrote:Are we talking girls that go to Private Schools, open enrollees or transfers? If we're talking transfers (ie as the MSHL now currently defines it -- someone who moves after the start of 9th grade), I can't think of a single player who has transferred FROM Wayzata. In fact, from my accounting Wayzata is +1, by virtue of transfer Christina Lee. The legacy this player left is still being felt positively in the Wayzata program.

Didn't Cara Johnson transfer to Hopkins from Wayzata? I may be wrong but I thought her dad told me that Cara was from Wayzata originally.

Bensonmum wrote:Get the wax out of your ears people! What this does is cast aspersions on your own educations since you can't read!

Well now that you mention it I have lots of wax in my ears, not sure how that effects my reading though? I'll clean them out, and try reading the posts again.

OntheEdge wrote:

Thunderbird77 wrote:Are we talking girls that go to Private Schools, open enrollees or transfers? If we're talking transfers (ie as the MSHL now currently defines it -- someone who moves after the start of 9th grade), I can't think of a single player who has transferred FROM Wayzata. In fact, from my accounting Wayzata is +1, by virtue of transfer Christina Lee. The legacy this player left is still being felt positively in the Wayzata program.

Didn't Cara Johnson transfer to Hopkins from Wayzata? I may be wrong but I thought her dad told me that Cara was from Wayzata originally.

That is correct, except "transfer" is not the correct term because she open enrolled as a freshman, as did their No. 1 goalie from Wayzata, Kallie Billadeau.

My post wasn't about kids transfering or building fences. I agree most went for education/religous values as many of those kids went to catholic grade schools and middle schools. I do think Woodbury has done a pretty good job building a strong youth program. I was just wondering if any other communities had seen this type of movement - 13 is a pretty big number to any HS program.

MNHockeyFan wrote:

OntheEdge wrote:

Thunderbird77 wrote:Are we talking girls that go to Private Schools, open enrollees or transfers? If we're talking transfers (ie as the MSHL now currently defines it -- someone who moves after the start of 9th grade), I can't think of a single player who has transferred FROM Wayzata. In fact, from my accounting Wayzata is +1, by virtue of transfer Christina Lee. The legacy this player left is still being felt positively in the Wayzata program.

Didn't Cara Johnson transfer to Hopkins from Wayzata? I may be wrong but I thought her dad told me that Cara was from Wayzata originally.

That is correct, except "transfer" is not the correct term because she open enrolled as a freshman, as did their No. 1 goalie from Wayzata, Kallie Billadeau.

I don't want to be argumentative but I believe "transfer" is a correct term. They may have transferred under the open enrollement rule but it is still a transfer. I'm not sure I'm clear so I will quote the Bylaw from the Minnesota State High School League Board.

"A transfer student is one who discontinues enrollment and attendance in any high school, public or non-public, located in a public school district attendance area and enrolls and attends classes in any other high school in Minnesota."

Per the definition Johnson and Billadeau "transferred" under the open enrollment rule.

Sorry but I'm a little anal about definitions.

OntheEdge wrote:

MNHockeyFan wrote:

OntheEdge wrote: Didn't Cara Johnson transfer to Hopkins from Wayzata? I may be wrong but I thought her dad told me that Cara was from Wayzata originally.

That is correct, except "transfer" is not the correct term because she open enrolled as a freshman, as did their No. 1 goalie from Wayzata, Kallie Billadeau.

I don't want to be argumentative but I believe "transfer" is a correct term. They may have transferred under the open enrollement rule but it is still a transfer. I'm not sure I'm clear so I will quote the Bylaw from the Minnesota State High School League Board.

"A transfer student is one who discontinues enrollment and attendance in any high school, public or non-public, located in a public school district attendance area and enrolls and attends classes in any other high school in Minnesota."

Per the definition Johnson and Billadeau "transferred" under the open enrollment rule.

Sorry but I'm a little anal about definitions.

I reread my post and left myself open to criticism. I probably picked an poor definition to quote. A better quote is as follows:

A transfer student is eligible for varsity competition if:

A. 9th Grade Option: the student is enrolling in 9th grade for the first time;

I would submit that Johnson and Billadeau didn't tranfer from HS to HS but transferred from one High School District to another HS District, which is still a transfer. The new rule provides an exception if you transfer and are enrolling in 9th grade for the first time.

OntheEdge wrote:"A transfer student is one who discontinues enrollment and attendance in any high school, public or non-public...

If you read the first part of the definition literally, a transfer student is one "who discontinues enrollment and attendance in any high school..." The players in question never enrolled at the school in their home district, since they both started high school at Hopkins as 9th graders. So the way I read it they don't meet the definition of a transfer, as written.

OntheEdge wrote:I would submit that Johnson and Billadeau didn't tranfer from HS to HS but transferred from one High School District to another HS District, which is still a transfer. The new rule provides an exception if you transfer and are enrolling in 9th grade for the first time.

FYI, Johnson and Billadeau were never part of the Wayzata High School hockey system nor did they ever intend to be. They both enrolled at Hopkins Jr High in the 8TH GRADE.

This appears to be another case of "Whine-zata" trying to lay claims to something they never had. For example the Chute's, Komaric's, Cole's, Opperman's, Johnson's (kelsey and Berrit), Sander's, ect.

I have a question from JoeHockey's original post. You have a large list of Woodbury girls playing elsewhere. Woodbury has a fine program overall but it occured to me that my daughter has never been in a league that has a Woodbury team and I don't remember ever seeing a Woodbury girls youth team. Do they exist or are they co-op'd with another association? I have actually wondered about this before you started the thread.

The impact might not be felt this year but White Bear Lake may see an impact in the next couple years with the loss of these quality players.

Liz Wendell - Hill
Lauren Journt - SSM
Mekenzie Sadd -Hill
Mellisa Doyle -Hill
Marrisa Brandt -Hill
Hannah Brandt -Hill

Sadd, Doyle, and the Brandts were big contributers on the Back to back U12 State Champion teams.

I realize the transfer subject has been beat to death. I think the players that go to privates are doing so mainly because they are not thrilled about their local high schools. If they happen to be hockey players, they probably would gravitate toward the HS's that have a decent hockey program. I just don't see parents/players going to the privates where tuition ranges from $11,000 to over $20,000 per year, for the main reason of a hockey program. Also, it seems that a large majority of players that attend privates have parents that are alumni of privates.

Sibley HS probably is affected by the alumni influence more than any other HS. A large number of people who live in Mendota Hts and WSP went to STA, SPA, CDH, Visitation, Brady (no longer around). No surprise that many send their kids to privates.

Some Sibley parents have lamented the fact that they lose so many players to the privates. However, when it is brought up to them that their child may not have made the Sibley team if all the private school kids stayed, they calm down a bit.

So, in reality, because of the private situation that exists with Sibley, more players have the opportunity to play varsity hockey. Same could be said about Woodbury and all the other HS's that "lose" players to the privates.

Interesting note about Woodbury: How do they keep their good soccer players? It seems like they perennially have a top HS soccer team.

Additional losses from White Bear Lake:

Lacey Shiue - HM
Megan Seibel - CDH
Taylor Zarembinski - HM
Natalie Goodman - HM
Hayley Hill - HM
Megan Zabel - HM ??

These may not be the "superstars," but some of these players are pretty good, and when added to the "superstars," it definitely has an impact WBL high school hockey.

Oilers08 wrote: This appears to be another case of "Whine-zata" trying to lay claims to something they never had. For example the Chute's, Komaric's, Cole's, Opperman's, Johnson's (kelsey and Berrit), Sander's, ect.

Easy there Hopkins, this is not a debate about transfers or privates, the thread is about "mythical" teams consisting of kids who played in the same association. No one is suggesting these kids would have ever played together in high school. The point is, some of these youth teams were very talented and collectively would have made very good mythical high school teams.