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Who will win Section 8A 2007-8?

Crookston
East Grand Forks
Lake of the Woods
Park Rapids
Roseau
Thief River Falls
Warroad

Without a doubt Roseau.

The Warroad Selects?

It will all come down to who recruits the most....

badger69 wrote:It will all come down to who recruits the most....

Crookston, Warroad & Roseau will all be stronger than they were last year. All three should be in the top 5 in state rankings.
Now, if it comes down to recruiting.....well.....I guess that leaves Warroad as a shoe-in to the state tournament.

I would take recruits over ethics. Do some homework and find out which asst. coach went to Pepsi Cup and won with ineligible players. Oh, by the way, justice prevailed and they were stripped of their championship and it was awarded to the rightful team. Here's a hint, TP

Sioux Rule wrote:

badger69 wrote:It will all come down to who recruits the most....

Crookston, Warroad & Roseau will all be stronger than they were last year. All three should be in the top 5 in state rankings.
Now, if it comes down to recruiting.....well.....I guess that leaves Warroad as a shoe-in to the state tournament.

Use to be only the privates took heat for recruiting.


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winnings not 4 everyone wrote:I would take recruits over ethics. Do some homework and find out which asst. coach went to Pepsi Cup and won with ineligible players. Oh, by the way, justice prevailed and they were stripped of their championship and it was awarded to the rightful team. Here's a hint, TP

Recruits over ethics???? That's pretty sad......
Not sure what the Pepsi Cup has to do with high school hockey and recruiting at the varsity level. I believe this was a parkboard tournament team.......U12 or U14??

I can't believe anyone would not hold their coaches accountable for being good role models for their players. I don't care what level your playing, when the coach cheats, he lacks moral character. If you don't know what this has to do with varsity hockey, check the roster. High school girls were playing on this team. You're correct, cheating is OK. Moving your kid for an opportunity is the WRONG thing. How could I be so niave.

I would take recruits over ethics.

As for your name, it should be "winning at all costs isn't 4 everyone.

When reality ( players changing schools) does not meet the facilitation of a system( Equal participation for all High school hockey)can you change the reality of what is occurring ? or can you change the system you are trying to fit reality into.People will do what people can do. I personally feel that the governing body of this system has failed to move out of the 1950's or 60's with their system. They have not responded to change and are archaic in thier thought process. Such inability to mange change has resulted in the argument assocated with this thread. The reality is that many girls want to play, many girls want more, niether are wrong, there simply is no system to allow this to occur. IMO

Oldram thanks for your support. Media, you are correct. Until YOUR daughter or parents are asked to move to play hockey, you are relying on hearsay and rumors. Our system allows for people to be innocent until proven guilty. If you are aware of sanctions the MSHSL has imposed on any coaches for recruiting, you would be correct. Otherwise, worry more about how you will compete than what the other guy is doing. I once was told by a corp executive, "we don't accept excuses, only results." It appears that many communities would rather live with their excuses rather than how to achieve their results.

I would suggest that we all stay focused on the posted topic or it could end up in another lock down. Crookston will repeat as section champs this season. They are very well coached, have some very solid returning players as well as some new faces that will contribute. I am from the old school and take great pride that we can compete ethically with our home grown talent. Let's play hockey

Love,

#1Hockeymom

winnings not 4 everyone wrote:which asst. coach went to Pepsi Cup and won with ineligible players.

Apparantly you missed this quote when being old school and ethical. As a mother, you should be aware of this old quote "winners never cheat and cheaters never win". usually true but sometimes it helps I guess.

Hey egghead, why don't you stay on the topic and tell me who will win section 8A and why? I would like to thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Love,

#1Hockeymom

I'm a better person than that to get into name calling. But since you asked, ANYONE OTHER THAN CROOKSTON

You 8A folks fight more than the 1A's...the only thing worse is those of us from somewhere else who are dumb enough (that's me!) to take the time to read your bickering!

Silent But Deadly wrote:You 8A folks fight more than the 1A's...the only thing worse is those of us from somewhere else who are dumb enough (that's me!) to take the time to read your bickering!

The 1A folks usually have a sense of humor and just like to have a little fun. Section 8A is different - the rivalries are pretty intense and their hockey gets personal.

But put a group of Northern Minnesota girls on a "select" team and all of a sudden they share a common bond, become unified against "The Cities" teams and develop great chemistry.

Maybe someone can explain this to me.

Its simple The cities kids have every possible advantage possible around them, For example, more rinks, pro hockey teams, hundreds of specialized camps, Every event ever staged by usa hockey or Minnesota Hockey occurs at a large population center, corporate sponsors, Income and Job possibilities are higher. This has created an elitism. a jealousy, if you will. I know many of those girls down there and they are all no different than the girls up north. But the Girls up North to be compeitive have to come together to compete. Its no ones fault. Its just the way that it is . Smaller population centers mean less players. Less players mean less higher end athletes. It is not hard for them to see the extensive technical advantage the girls from the cities have. They have themselves as a group to draw on thats it. Plus they are coached as a team with that expectation. A larger problem up north is Putting the girls together when they come from a team where they are "expected" to carry the load themselve's and all of a sudden ask them to play as a team, habits are hard to break. IMO

Media wrote:Its simple The cities kids have every possible advantage possible around them, For example, more rinks, pro hockey teams, hundreds of specialized camps, Every event ever staged by usa hockey or Minnesota Hockey occurs at a large population center, corporate sponsors, Income and Job possibilities are higher. This has created an elitism. a jealousy, if you will. I know many of those girls down there and they are all no different than the girls up north. But the Girls up North to be compeitive have to come together to compete. Its no ones fault. Its just the way that it is . Smaller population centers mean less players. Less players mean less higher end athletes. It is not hard for them to see the extensive technical advantage the girls from the cities have. They have themselves as a group to draw on thats it. Plus they are coached as a team with that expectation. A larger problem up north is Putting the girls together when they come from a team where they are "expected" to carry the load themselve's and all of a sudden ask them to play as a team, habits are hard to break. IMO

I agree with this in general but would just point out that there are many areas in the Cities and close-in suburbs that don't fit the "rich kid" stereotype. In Mpls. and St. Paul there are only 3 (or maybe 4?) teams total, even though they are drawing from a combined population of 600,000+. North Metro needs 5 northern suburbs with a total population of over 100,000 just to field one varsity and a JV team. Other communities like St. Louis Park, which is probably bigger population wise than Roseau, Warroad and Crookston combined, doesn't have enough girls to have a JV team. So there are many exceptions in the Twin Cities as well, where the majority of parents do not have the resources to have their kids go the camps, play summer AAA, etc. or even play winter youth hockey for that matter.

It would be interesting to find out how many "cities" girls are one sport athletes. Up north, almost all that are successful play 2-3 sports. They have to. There isn't year-round ice. Metro girls play regular season, AAA, and also have numerous leagues to choose from. My guess is many play because they HAVE to. The break up north, I feel, helps burnout from becomming a big factor. When it's hockey season, they are ready to play because it's been awhile since they laced them up.

Actually, Winning's not 4 everyone, I wasn't supporting your point.

I don't agree with recruiting. I think it is wrong. Yeah, it's a tough situation in areas with small populations. But you make due with what you have. The Cities area has all sorts of people. But the fun of it all is going down there to beat them.

Run things with the people who are available and take your chances. I'd rather see a team win by throwing popcorn on the ice, than going other places for players.

oldram wrote:I would take recruits over ethics.

It looks like you are asking for it to be both ways. Heres the question I believe was being asked by winnings 4 everyone:
I would want my daughter to play on a team that has a couple new additions or
I would want my daughter to play for a coach who cheats to win.

Looks black and white to me. Which would you rather have

Media wrote:

Its simple The cities kids have every possible advantage possible around them, For example, more rinks, pro hockey teams, hundreds of specialized camps, Every event ever staged by usa hockey or Minnesota Hockey occurs at a large population center, corporate sponsors, Income and Job possibilities are higher. This has created an elitism. a jealousy, if you will.

Oh good God! We've been hearing this poor-mouthing from northern people our whole lives. Just a few questions: Didn't someone on this forum just describe the Little Ralph in TRF as THE MOST SPECTACULAR CIVIC ARENA IN THE UNITED STATES? How many millions of dollars has Marvin Windows pumped into youth and high school hockey over the years, along with Blandin, Potlatch, Polaris, Arctic Cat and others? The Gardens in Warroad is a goldarn palace. If you'd ever been in a Ramsey County arena, with tiny locker rooms and cold aluminum bleachers, you'd quit your griping. Apparently 'The Cities' to northerners doesn't include the actual 'cities' of Minneapolis and St. Paul or the modest inner-ring suburbs like Richfield, Roseville, Columbia Heights, Fridley, Maplewood, South St Paul, West St Paul, Crystal, New Hope, Brooklyn Park, Brooklyn Center or Golden Valley, but only Edina, Eden Prairie and Minnetonka. The vast majority of kids playing hockey in 'The Cities' play in small, cold, bare-bones local arenas that Warroad and Roseau residents would be embarrassed to set butt in. Are you telling me that after all the Christian and Marvin brothers efforts and money that you don't have anything to show for it but beautiful ice palaces with all the comforts, whistles and bells? If you don't choose to spend money on development then it's your own fault. Corporate sponsors? Who do you think you're kidding?

Actually, eggroll, I was disagreeing with the recruiting over ethics issue. I just don't know how to make the fancy box everybody else does to quote a recent post. I forgot to put it in quotation marks. My bad. I DON"T AGREE WITH RECRUITING.