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Pioneerprideguy wrote:Disappointed to read Lechner's response. He would rather stay and benefit from his advantages then be in a conference with similiar programs and have to be forced to compete. From an alumni perspective, this is sad.

? What did you expect him to say? "Hey, we have the Cat by the tail and have enjoyed all sorts of recruiting advantages for years over the others we compete against in our conference, so Yeah, it's time we considered a more level playing field and moved on!"..?

almostashappy wrote:

stpaul wrote: Transportation costs and time may be a bigger issue. BSM, AHA & HF are on the opposite end of the metro. That will make for long bus rides on school nights for kids who are expected to do homework too. There are lots of frosh, B squad, girls & minor sports that Bill Lechner has to consider too. The CSC is pretty compact geographically. North, Tartan & Mahtomedi are each just a few miles away. SSP, STA, Sibley & Simley are short hops on 694/494.

Google Directions says it's a 52 minute, 44 mile trip between Hill-Murray and Holy Family. I don't think you're going to get any sympathy from anyone outside of the Metro Area...for a lot of Minnesota kids, that's a normal twice a day bus ride to and from school.

I'd like to see you make that in 52 minutes if you're heading for a 7 PM game, especially if there's any snow. I guess you don't commute in the metro area during rush hour.

C-dad wrote: I'd like to see you make that in 52 minutes if you're heading for a 7 PM game, especially if there's any snow. I guess you don't commute in the metro area during rush hour.

Actually, I do. But we aren't talking about rush hour traffic, if the concern (as originally expressed) is that H-M kids playing a school night game at HF (or BSM) would get home way past their bedtime. No rush-hour traffic at 10pm at night.

And again, my point is that it's all relative. Sure, if it's snowing the cross-town trip might take twice as long. But the same applies to bus trips taken Up North. How close is Roseau High School's nearest neighbor? How long is the average bus ride home after East Grand Forks plays an away game? How many trips does Duluth East take to the Cities each year, in search of a good game?

Travel distances are a lame excuse for any metro-area private school. Just cut a few pizzas out of your recruiting budget and you'll have more than enough money to cover the extra gas.

Private conference isn't realistic in the big picture but in HOCKEY a private school SECTION at state is.

split into a final four of (in lieu of the final 8-A, 8-AA)
BIG 1
BIG 2
SMALL
PRIVATE

almostashappy wrote:

C-dad wrote: I'd like to see you make that in 52 minutes if you're heading for a 7 PM game, especially if there's any snow. I guess you don't commute in the metro area during rush hour.

Actually, I do. But we aren't talking about rush hour traffic, if the concern (as originally expressed) is that H-M kids playing a school night game at HF (or BSM) would get home way past their bedtime. No rush-hour traffic at 10pm at night.

And again, my point is that it's all relative. Sure, if it's snowing the cross-town trip might take twice as long. But the same applies to bus trips taken Up North. How close is Roseau High School's nearest neighbor? How long is the average bus ride home after East Grand Forks plays an away game? How many trips does Duluth East take to the Cities each year, in search of a good game?

Travel distances are a lame excuse for any metro-area private school. Just cut a few pizzas out of your recruiting budget and you'll have more than enough money to cover the extra gas.

Roseau's nearest neighbor $22 (miles)
Average ride home for EGF $70 (miles)
Listening to Privates and Metro whiners discuss road trips ~ Priceless!

Puckguy19 wrote:

almostashappy wrote:

C-dad wrote: I'd like to see you make that in 52 minutes if you're heading for a 7 PM game, especially if there's any snow. I guess you don't commute in the metro area during rush hour.

Actually, I do. But we aren't talking about rush hour traffic, if the concern (as originally expressed) is that H-M kids playing a school night game at HF (or BSM) would get home way past their bedtime. No rush-hour traffic at 10pm at night.

And again, my point is that it's all relative. Sure, if it's snowing the cross-town trip might take twice as long. But the same applies to bus trips taken Up North. How close is Roseau High School's nearest neighbor? How long is the average bus ride home after East Grand Forks plays an away game? How many trips does Duluth East take to the Cities each year, in search of a good game?

Travel distances are a lame excuse for any metro-area private school. Just cut a few pizzas out of your recruiting budget and you'll have more than enough money to cover the extra gas.

Roseau's nearest neighbor $22 (miles)
Average ride home for EGF $70 (miles)
Listening to Privates and Metro whiners discuss road trips ~ Priceless!

Dude I'll take cruising on empty county roads over sitting in traffic any day.

For the last time... The recruiting $$ comes from the pull tabs @ Champs !!

Pioneerprideguy wrote:Disappointed to read Lechner's response. He would rather stay and benefit from his advantages then be in a conference with similiar programs and have to be forced to compete. From an alumni perspective, this is sad.

I know you're aware Lechner is the AD of HM and doesn't solely make his decisions for the best interests of the boys hockey team. Take away the hockey program, HM is suitable geographically and competitively for all sports in the CSC.

In addition, have you forgotten their non-conference schedule? Its a hand-full competitively.

Puckguy19 wrote:Listening to Privates and Metro whiners discuss road trips ~ Priceless!

Read the original post. Wasn't whining. I pointed it out as one of the reasons HM wants to stay in the CSC.

old goalie85 wrote:For the last time... The recruiting $$ comes from the pull tabs @ Champs !!

I bet Ziggy wishes the new Viking stadium could rake in that much $$ from the E-pull tabs.

PuckU126 wrote:

old goalie85 wrote:For the last time... The recruiting $$ comes from the pull tabs @ Champs !!

I bet Ziggy wishes the new Viking stadium could rake in that much $$ from the E-pull tabs.

Tbh the legislature is trippin' more about the pull tabs than Zygi is. Wilf is getting all his money basically for free from the league.

thestickler07 wrote:

PuckU126 wrote:

old goalie85 wrote:For the last time... The recruiting $$ comes from the pull tabs @ Champs !!

I bet Ziggy wishes the new Viking stadium could rake in that much $$ from the E-pull tabs.

Tbh the legislature is trippin' more about the pull tabs than Zygi is. Wilf is getting all his money basically for free from the league.

Yeah, the NFL is forking over a sizable portion, but not the whole tab for the organization. Right now, both parties are trippin'. MN wants the organization to pay more because of their failed plan with the E-tabs.

Wilf and the Vikings' org. are not obligated to pay more. The State Leg. approved and Gov. Dayton SIGNED the agreement so they are contractually obligated to pay the agreed upon amount. To make up for their failed plan, put a casino / localized betting within the stadium. $$

PuckU126 wrote:

thestickler07 wrote:

PuckU126 wrote: I bet Ziggy wishes the new Viking stadium could rake in that much $$ from the E-pull tabs.

Tbh the legislature is trippin' more about the pull tabs than Zygi is. Wilf is getting all his money basically for free from the league.

Yeah, the NFL is forking over a sizable portion, but not the whole tab for the organization. Right now, both parties are trippin'. MN wants the organization to pay more because of their failed plan with the E-tabs.

Wilf and the Vikings' org. are not obligated to pay more. The State Leg. approved and Gov. Dayton SIGNED the agreement so they are contractually obligated to pay the agreed upon amount. To make up for their failed plan, put a casino / localized betting within the stadium. $$

Legalized gambling/casino in Minneapolis? Would be so down.

Never would happen though, the whole state has an embarrassing amount of self loathing in everything gaming/sports related. Plus that would make the Twin Cities relevant and the rubes don't want that.

Looks like this thing is falling apart before it got started. CDH, TG and HM all say they are not interested.

thestickler07 wrote:

PuckU126 wrote:

thestickler07 wrote: Tbh the legislature is trippin' more about the pull tabs than Zygi is. Wilf is getting all his money basically for free from the league.

Yeah, the NFL is forking over a sizable portion, but not the whole tab for the organization. Right now, both parties are trippin'. MN wants the organization to pay more because of their failed plan with the E-tabs.

Wilf and the Vikings' org. are not obligated to pay more. The State Leg. approved and Gov. Dayton SIGNED the agreement so they are contractually obligated to pay the agreed upon amount. To make up for their failed plan, put a casino / localized betting within the stadium. $$

Legalized gambling/casino in Minneapolis? Would be so down.

Never would happen though, the whole state has an embarrassing amount of self loathing in everything gaming/sports related. Plus that would make the Twin Cities relevant and the rubes don't want that.

Yeah, it won't happen. Too bad really. It would include an increase in revenue for the city and state, job opportunities for the public and an increase in popularity to the team and the city.

I'd bet it would work.

Why would CDH/TG they have great football, and confences to match. To these schools more is at play than just hockey. STA should just find a conference. And soon.

old goalie85 wrote:STA should just find a conference. And soon.

I don't think there is much doubt that STA will get placed by the MSHSL in the South Suburban. They are a very good fit with those schools in football, hockey, basketball & swimming. They have great facilities. They are right in the neighborhood. As with moving to AA in hockey, this should have been done years ago.

Cretin's moved to the SEC has been a success. They play a competitive schedule with 9 top schools. They do not dominate in any sport. STA playing in the SSC will be the same.

South Suburban schools will fight this. They already have ten teams and dont want to lose 2 non-conference games from established teams they traditonally play.

STA would round out the SEC. MSHL should put them there.

SEC has enough teams. an all Private school Conf is best.

According to FL AD. CDH does not want to leave the SEC , so why should they. Sec is perfect fit for them. All sports, not just hockey. These folks have more kids to consider than just 20 hockey players.

What are the odds the league reunites with STA being the only team left out? What are the odds the rest of public schools say it's time to eliminate HM & STA and they grab another public school or 2 to join them?

PPG:
I would say the answer to your first question is: Pretty good. It is extremely likely that the Classic Suburban schools will reform a new conference without St. Thomas. The answer to your second question, however, is almost zero. The public schools in the Classic Suburban will have a difficult time expelling Hill-Murray because they cannot make the same demographic argument that they can make with St. Thomas. If the Classic Suburban expelled Hill, it is very likely that, given their criteria, the State High School League would place Hill right back in the Classic Suburban, which they are not likely to do with St. Thomas, which iwll probably end up in the South Suburban

The MSHSL has to place a few schools late this summer, I doubt the CSC will reform prior to that happening. As for Hill Murray they seem pretty content in the CSC and the CSC seems pretty content with Hill. Aside from hockey it has been a good fit for both.

A group of Catholic schools had a meeting on forming a conference, Cretin declined to attend which probably killed the conference, then Hill said they really didn't want to leave their current situation either.

It's time to bring back the Don Bosco Conference. Anyone remember that Catholic powerhouse!?!? circa 1979-83. I played St Paul Vulcans with a guy named Jim Hau, every day he would ask me, "what the hell is the Don Bosco". I told him it was the stuff of legends!! Bring back the Don Bosco!!!