Yes, but for how long will it be there? That's what I'd like to know... VarsityOnline was around for a while too but eventually went away. I hope people have the stats archived just in case if they care. I know some teams entered stats back to the 30's & 40's on VOL and then all was lost.
falcons89 wrote:I do find box scores on this site.
Partial, but not complete (scoring time detail, etc.) In my mind, this is not a complete boxscore:
SportsHuddle
However, this is:
MGHSH
This I think would be even better:
PointStreak
And even this wasn't bad back in the day:
VarsityOnline
falcons89 wrote:It is a sad day in hockey when a coach continues to build stats on a blowout.
Couldn't agree more!
falcons89 wrote:I guess I haven't seen this lately. I can't imagine that a team plays enough teams, that they can blow out, to rack up incredible stats.
Girls hockey is a challenge with SOS, due to the still building of a program. SOS does have to be considered.
It's hard to say if we've seen this lately, but there were nearly 100 games that had scores differential of 10 or greater, and over 275 that had score differential of 7 or greater (6 is running time I think). See the bottom of this message for details.
falcons89 wrote:Supporting casts always help in building stats. However, a truly elite player makes the players around them better and the team better.
Agreed. The best are truly "complete" & 2-way players that are team players as well.
falcons89 wrote:It sounds like you have experience of being around alot of these kids which helps in your process. I realize this isn't the NHL, but a player without stats is rarely considered elite.
Great point. Exception being stay-at-home D with no support, Goaltenders that have no support and face tons of shots.
falcons89 wrote:It is unfortunate that a +/- isn't used to help out the D evaluation.
Couldn't agree more, but even +/- has to be taken into consideration in the context of team quality, SOS, etc. If I'm an even "0" +/- and my team is -2983759 that's still pretty good. If I'm that "0" and my team is +39825790387590375 well, that's likely a different story...
falcons89 wrote:Some of the best skaters and stickhandlers I have seen, never make it to elite, because they just can't set it up, or score. That is a skill that is often overlooked by parents, average highschool coaches etc.
Typically an "elite" player has to have all the tools in their toolbox. I still believe that to play the game at the highest level, you have to be able to skate. it doesn't make a difference if you can shoot accurately 1000mph or can stickhandle standing still. the game has evolved a ton in the last 10 years for certain. The next 10 should be equally interesting.
I think that we need to define "Elite" and this may tie in to the notion of who is an "All Star" consideration... I've tried to only include players that I've seen enough to know what my evaluation is instead of looking just at stats, relying on others to tell me about them, etc.
Maybe instead we should use the best unbiased process that I know of out there - NDP. Essentially, true "elite" players are probably those that will play D1. I would argue that if a kid doesn't make at least P2 NDP once in their HS career then their chances of playing D1 are pretty limited, and hence probably aren't a D1 or "elite" player.
I would say the best candidates for D1 are the kids that go to NY each year. Maybe a few of the top P2 kids are D1 possibly too and it also depends on if we're talking about these kids playing at the best or worst D1 schools.
I would say that most P1 and all P2 kids could play D3, but again it depends on the team quality.
Do NDP kids get missed? Yes, likely based on a poor tryout, or the age groupings (i.e 88's w/ 89's this year, etc.) might result in an outstanding birth year crowding out a less stellar year that is paired with it. But, eventually, somewhere down the line I do believe that the kids that should make it do at least once in the 4 years.
Of course, some of this will change this year too based on new USA H methods based on single birth-year camps in NY I believe?
Anyway, in my mind, a 1-time or more NDP NY kid is probably "elite" as they are most likely D1 material. I would say a 1-time or more P2 kid is probably an "All-Star" consideration (Low level D1 or Top D3 at worst). I threw some other names in my "lists" from a year + ago as I saw the kids and thought they had potential or may have been overlooked...
DATE DIF AWAY A HOME H
11/18/2005 21 Luverne 1 New Ulm 22
11/25/2005 17 Litchfield/Dassel-Cokato 17 Redwood Valley 0
1/12/2006 16 Babbitt-Embarrass 2 Silver Bay/Two Harbors 18
2/2/2006 16 Babbitt-Embarrass 0 Duluth East 16
11/15/2005 15 Fairmont 0 Mankato West 15
11/19/2005 15 Bloom. Kennedy 0 Eden Prairie 15
12/1/2005 15 Redwood Valley 0 Marshall 15
12/3/2005 15 Irondale 16 Tri-City 1
12/6/2005 15 Little Falls 0 Alexandria 15
12/22/2005 15 Redwood Valley 1 Morris/Benson/Hancock 16
1/7/2006 15 Benilde-St. Margarets 15 Tri-City 0
1/12/2006 15 Redwood Valley 0 Windom Area Eagles 15
1/5/2006 14 Marshall 15 Redwood Valley 1
1/10/2006 14 Eden Prairie 14 Bloom. Kennedy 0
1/17/2006 14 Shakopee 15 Red Wing 1
1/21/2006 14 Fairmont 0 Marshall 14
11/18/2005 13 Babbitt-Embarrass 0 Fort Frances (CA) 13
11/22/2005 13 River Falls (WI) 2 St. Paul Blades 15
12/8/2005 13 Bloom. Kennedy 1 Hill-Murray Pioneers 14
12/28/2005 13 Fairmont 0 Spring Lake Park/St. Anthony 13
1/7/2006 13 Blake 13 Minnehaha Academy 0
1/17/2006 13 Bemidji 13 Thief River Falls 0
1/26/2006 13 St. Cld. Icebreakers 13 Little Falls 0
1/26/2006 13 Marshall 14 Mankato East 1
1/28/2006 13 Mankato East 0 Roch. Mayo 13
2/8/2006 13 Bloom. Kennedy 0 Eagan 13
11/10/2005 12 Apple Valley 13 Bloom. Kennedy 1
11/17/2005 12 St. Cld. Tech 12 Little Falls 0
11/26/2005 12 Redwood Valley 0 Windom Area Eagles 12
12/17/2005 12 Crookston 12 Little Falls 0
12/17/2005 12 Chaska 12 Bloom. Kennedy 0
12/20/2005 12 Rosemount 0 Eden Prairie 12
1/10/2006 12 Luverne 0 Marshall 12
1/24/2006 12 Red Wing 0 New Prague 12
1/24/2006 12 Benilde-St. Margarets 13 Totino-Grace 1
1/27/2006 12 Warroad 12 East Grand Forks 0
11/22/2005 11 Long Prairie-Grey Eagle/Wadena-Deer Cr 0 Crookston 11
11/29/2005 11 Rosemount 0 Burnsville 11
11/29/2005 11 St. Peter/Lesueur-Henderson 11 Windom Area Eagles 0
12/1/2005 11 Moorhead 11 Detroit Lakes 0
12/2/2005 11 Rosemount 0 Henry Sibley 11
12/6/2005 11 Lakev. North 12 Bloom. Kennedy 1
12/8/2005 11 Benilde-St. Margarets 11 Rob. Cooper 0
12/8/2005 11 Little Falls 0 Fergus Falls 11
12/19/2005 11 International Falls 0 Warroad 11
12/20/2005 11 New Prague 12 Red Wing 1
12/20/2005 11 Anoka 12 Osseo 1
12/20/2005 11 Little Falls 0 St. Cld. Icebreakers 11
1/3/2006 11 Tri-City 1 Totino-Grace 12
1/14/2006 11 St. Louis Park 11 Tri-City 0
1/17/2006 11 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton 11 Superior (WI) 0
1/17/2006 11 Osseo 1 Elk River 12
1/19/2006 11 East Grand Forks 0 Crookston 11
1/19/2006 11 Austin 12 Mankato East 1
1/26/2006 11 Willmar 1 Alexandria 12
1/30/2006 11 Dodge County 0 St. Paul Blades 11
1/31/2006 11 Roseau 11 Lake of the Woods 0
2/7/2006 11 Redwood Valley 1 Austin 12
2/9/2006 11 Waseca 0 New Prague 11
2/10/2006 11 Fairmont 0 Lakev. North 11
11/12/2005 10 Bloom. Kennedy 3 Lakev. South 13
11/15/2005 10 Farmington 10 Albert Lea Tigers 0
11/19/2005 10 Crookston 11 Lake of the Woods 1
11/19/2005 10 Osseo 0 Anoka 10
11/25/2005 10 Faribault 10 Worthington 0
11/26/2005 10 Arrowhead (WI) 0 Baraboo (WI) 10
11/29/2005 10 Red Wing 0 Academy of Holy Angels 10
12/1/2005 10 Minnehaha Academy 1 Breck 11
12/6/2005 10 Roseville 11 Mounds View 1
12/6/2005 10 Willmar 1 St. Cld. Tech 11
12/10/2005 10 Coon Rapids 11 Osseo 1
12/13/2005 10 River Lakes Stars 10 Princeton 0
12/14/2005 10 Blake 10 St. Paul United 0
12/17/2005 10 Babbitt-Embarrass 2 Cambridge-Isanti 12
12/27/2005 10 Dodge County 10 Worthington 0
1/5/2006 10 Eveleth 1 Hibbing 11
1/9/2006 10 Mound-Westonka 11 Princeton 1
1/10/2006 10 Hutchinson 0 Farmington 10
1/14/2006 10 Long Prairie-Grey Eagle/Wadena-Deer Cr 10 Redwood Valley 0
1/19/2006 10 Bloom. Kennedy 2 St. Paul Blades 12
1/23/2006 10 Silver Bay/Two Harbors 12 Babbitt-Embarrass 2
1/24/2006 10 Mounds View 4 Stillwater 14
1/26/2006 10 Osseo 0 St. Cld. Tech 10
1/28/2006 10 Breck 10 Minnehaha Academy 0
1/31/2006 10 Centennial 11 Osseo 1
1/31/2006 10 Faribault 11 Mankato East 1
2/7/2006 10 Windom Area Eagles 1 Faribault 11
2/7/2006 10 Luverne 1 New Ulm 11
2/7/2006 10 Tri-City 0 Spring Lake Park/St. Anthony 10
2/8/2006 10 Red Wing 0 Shakopee 10
2/11/2006 10 Prior Lake 0 Eden Prairie 10
2/11/2006 10 Northshore United (WI) 11 Blizzard (WI) 1
11/15/2005 9 Long Prairie-Grey Eagle/Wadena-Deer Cr 9 Redwood Valley 0
11/17/2005 9 Worthington 0 St. Peter/Lesueur-Henderson 9
11/22/2005 9 Farmington 0 South St. Paul 9
11/22/2005 9 Little Falls 1 Sartell/Sauk Rapids Stormn Sabres 10
11/22/2005 9 Bloom. Kennedy 2 Burnsville 11
11/22/2005 9 Mankato East 1 New Ulm 10
11/26/2005 9 Bloom. Kennedy 3 Cambridge-Isanti 12
11/29/2005 9 Thief River Falls 1 Roseau 10
11/29/2005 9 Northfield 1 Farmington 10
12/2/2005 9 Princeton 0 Mound-Westonka 9
12/2/2005 9 Park of Cottage Grove 1 Roseville 10
12/3/2005 9 Bloom. Kennedy 1 Eastview 10
12/8/2005 9 Marshall 13 Windom Area Eagles 4
12/8/2005 9 Babbitt-Embarrass 0 International Falls 9
12/9/2005 9 Stillwater 9 Park of Cottage Grove 0
12/10/2005 9 Bloom. Kennedy 3 Bloom. Jefferson 12
12/13/2005 9 Eagan 10 Bloom. Kennedy 1
12/15/2005 9 Eveleth 0 Duluth East 9
12/16/2005 9 Rogers 9 Princeton 0
12/19/2005 9 Worthington 1 Marshall 10
12/22/2005 9 Northfield 0 Academy of Holy Angels 9
12/27/2005 9 Fairmont 0 Orono 9
12/28/2005 9 Faribault 10 Metro Lynx (WI) 1
12/29/2005 9 Hudson (WI) 3 Faribault 12
1/5/2006 9 St. Cld. Icebreakers 9 Willmar 0
1/6/2006 9 Red Wing 0 Farmington 9
1/6/2006 9 Kenora - St. Thomas Aquinas (CA) 0 Warroad 9
1/7/2006 9 Roch. John Marshall/Century 10 Mankato East 1
1/10/2006 9 Mankato West 9 Mankato East 0
1/10/2006 9 River Lakes Stars 9 Little Falls 0
1/10/2006 9 Red Wing 2 Prior Lake 11
1/14/2006 9 Roseau 1 Grand Rapids/Greenway 10
1/14/2006 9 Eastview 0 Eden Prairie 9
1/17/2006 9 Marshall 10 Worthington 1
1/24/2006 9 Willmar 0 Brainerd 9
1/24/2006 9 Windom Area Eagles 0 Marshall 9
1/28/2006 9 Luverne 9 Redwood Valley 0
1/28/2006 9 Blaine 9 Osseo 0
1/31/2006 9 Farmington 12 Red Wing 3
11/10/2005 8 Lakev. South 1 Burnsville 9
11/15/2005 8 Souix Falls Blue (SD) 8 Luverne 0
11/17/2005 8 Shakopee 11 Bloom. Kennedy 3
11/17/2005 8 Farmington 10 Woodbury 2
11/17/2005 8 Chisago Lakes/Pine City 8 Tri-City 0
11/18/2005 8 Henry Sibley 8 Roseau 0
11/19/2005 8 Redwood Valley 0 Fairmont 8
11/22/2005 8 Eden Prairie 10 Eastview 2
11/26/2005 8 Silver Bay/Two Harbors 9 Park Rapids 1
11/26/2005 8 Lakev. North 10 Eveleth 2
11/29/2005 8 Little Falls 4 River Lakes Stars 12
12/1/2005 8 Eastview 1 Edina 9
12/1/2005 8 Willmar 1 Sartell/Sauk Rapids Stormn Sabres 9
12/2/2005 8 North St. Paul Polars 9 Roseau 1
12/3/2005 8 Osseo 0 Maple Grove 8
12/5/2005 8 East Grand Forks 0 Bemidji 8
12/5/2005 8 Minnehaha Academy 1 St. Paul Blades 9
12/8/2005 8 Northfield 8 Fairmont 0
12/10/2005 8 Worthington 9 Redwood Valley 1
12/13/2005 8 Eveleth 0 Proctor/Hermantown/Marshall 8
12/15/2005 8 Red Wing 0 Winona Winhawks 8
12/15/2005 8 Thief River Falls 1 Moorhead 9
12/16/2005 8 Redwood Valley 2 Luverne 10
12/17/2005 8 Roch. Mayo 9 Mankato East 1
12/17/2005 8 Apple Valley 1 Eden Prairie 9
12/20/2005 8 St. Peter/Lesueur-Henderson 8 Worthington 0
12/22/2005 8 Cambridge-Isanti 9 Princeton 1
12/27/2005 8 Blizzard (WI) 0 Lake of the Woods 8
12/27/2005 8 Mankato East 2 Faribault 10
12/29/2005 8 Babbitt-Embarrass 9 Worthington 1
12/29/2005 8 Shakopee 8 Moose Lake 0
12/29/2005 8 Fairmont 0 St. Peter/Lesueur-Henderson 8
12/29/2005 8 St. Louis Park 2 Grand Rapids/Greenway 10
12/29/2005 8 Morris/Benson/Hancock 0 Lakev. South 8
12/30/2005 8 Chaska 8 Princeton 0
1/3/2006 8 Prior Lake 0 Hopkins 8
1/3/2006 8 Northfield 0 New Prague 8
1/3/2006 8 Roch. John Marshall/Century 0 Austin 8
1/6/2006 8 South St. Paul 8 Simley 0
1/6/2006 8 Princeton 0 North Wright County River Hawks 8
1/7/2006 8 Lakev. North 9 Apple Valley 1
1/10/2006 8 International Falls 9 Eveleth 1
1/12/2006 8 Academy of Holy Angels 8 Red Wing 0
1/12/2006 8 Mankato East 0 Albert Lea Tigers 8
1/13/2006 8 Farmington 9 Northfield 1
1/13/2006 8 Brainerd 8 Willmar 0
1/14/2006 8 Burnsville 10 Bloom. Kennedy 2
1/14/2006 8 St. Paul Blades 9 Minnehaha Academy 1
1/17/2006 8 St. Agnes/St. Bernards/Concordia Academy 1 Blake 9
1/17/2006 8 Alexandria 8 Little Falls 0
1/17/2006 8 New Prague 9 St. Peter/Lesueur-Henderson 1
1/19/2006 8 Willmar 1 River Lakes Stars 9
1/21/2006 8 Bloom. Jefferson 2 Eden Prairie 10
1/21/2006 8 Eagan 9 Rosemount 1
1/24/2006 8 Redwood Valley 1 Worthington 9
1/26/2006 8 Stillwater 12 White Bear Lake 4
1/28/2006 8 Worthington 0 Austin 8
1/28/2006 8 Windom Area Eagles 0 Morris/Benson/Hancock 8
1/28/2006 8 St. Paul Blades 9 St. Agnes/St. Bernards/Concordia Academy 1
1/31/2006 8 Princeton 1 Mound-Westonka 9
2/3/2006 8 Fairmont 9 Redwood Valley 1
2/9/2006 8 Minnehaha Academy 0 Farmington 8
2/11/2006 8 Morris/Benson/Hancock 0 Totino-Grace 8
2/14/2006 8 New Ulm 2 New Prague 10
11/10/2005 7 Farmington 11 Roch. John Marshall/Century 4
11/12/2005 7 St. Peter/Lesueur-Henderson 8 Luverne 1
11/12/2005 7 Duluth Central/Denfeld 3 Totino-Grace 10
11/15/2005 7 Morris/Benson/Hancock 2 River Lakes Stars 9
11/15/2005 7 Brainerd 3 Bemidji 10
11/15/2005 7 Eden Prairie 7 Burnsville 0
11/17/2005 7 Minneapolis Novas 7 Red Wing 0
11/22/2005 7 Blizzard (WI) 1 Hudson (WI) 8
11/25/2005 7 Long Prairie-Grey Eagle/Wadena-Deer Cr 7 Windom Area Eagles 0
11/25/2005 7 Blake 0 Benilde-St. Margarets 7
11/26/2005 7 Luverne 4 Mankato East 11
11/26/2005 7 St. Francis/North Branch 8 Andover 1
11/26/2005 7 Northfield 8 Worthington 1
11/26/2005 7 Mounds View 3 Henry Sibley 10
11/29/2005 7 Lakev. North 0 Eden Prairie 7
12/1/2005 7 Brainerd 8 Little Falls 1
12/2/2005 7 South St. Paul 9 Proctor/Hermantown/Marshall 2
12/6/2005 7 Shakopee 7 Red Wing 0
12/6/2005 7 Mankato East 1 Austin 8
12/8/2005 7 River Lakes Stars 7 Willmar 0
12/9/2005 7 Duluth Central/Denfeld 0 Hibbing 7
12/9/2005 7 Austin 9 New Ulm 2
12/10/2005 7 Breck 7 St. Agnes/St. Bernards/Concordia Academy 0
12/10/2005 7 Waseca 8 Luverne 1
12/13/2005 7 Henry Sibley 8 Richfield 1
12/13/2005 7 Red Wing 1 Northfield 8
12/13/2005 7 Thief River Falls 0 Warroad 7
12/13/2005 7 Wayzata 11 Rob. Armstrong 4
12/13/2005 7 Champlin Park 0 Maple Grove 7
12/13/2005 7 North St. Paul Polars 7 Simley 0
12/15/2005 7 Morris/Benson/Hancock 0 Marshall 7
12/15/2005 7 River Falls (WI) 8 Blizzard (WI) 1
12/16/2005 7 St. Peter/Lesueur-Henderson 0 New Ulm 7
12/17/2005 7 Blake 8 Minneapolis Novas 1
12/17/2005 7 Osseo 1 Blaine 8
12/20/2005 7 St. Louis Park 0 Hopkins 7
12/20/2005 7 Marshall 9 Fairmont 2
12/20/2005 7 Alexandria 8 Willmar 1
12/20/2005 7 Hutchinson 2 Shakopee 9
12/20/2005 7 St. Paul Blades 8 River Falls (WI) 1
12/22/2005 7 Onalaska (WI) 9 Blizzard (WI) 2
12/22/2005 7 Crookston 7 Park Rapids 0
12/22/2005 7 Hutchinson 8 Red Wing 1
12/22/2005 7 Willmar 10 Little Falls 3
12/27/2005 7 St. Peter/Lesueur-Henderson 2 Spring Lake Park/St. Anthony 9
12/27/2005 7 Willmar 0 North Wright County River Hawks 7
12/28/2005 7 Minnetonka 7 Rosemount 0
12/29/2005 7 Maple Grove 7 Rob. Cooper 0
12/29/2005 7 Metro Lynx (WI) 7 Mankato East 0
1/3/2006 7 Osseo 1 Centennial 8
1/7/2006 7 Worthington 0 Waseca 7
1/7/2006 7 St. Agnes/St. Bernards/Concordia Academy 0 Minneapolis Novas 7
1/10/2006 7 Tri-City 1 Spring Lake Park/St. Anthony 8
1/10/2006 7 Lake of the Woods 2 Warroad 9
1/10/2006 7 Apple Valley 1 Burnsville 8
1/12/2006 7 Willmar 1 Sartell/Sauk Rapids Stormn Sabres 8
1/12/2006 7 Little Falls 1 Brainerd 8
1/13/2006 7 New Ulm 7 St. Peter/Lesueur-Henderson 0
1/13/2006 7 New Prague 8 Hutchinson 1
1/13/2006 7 Roseville 7 Park of Cottage Grove 0
1/14/2006 7 Blake 7 Owatonna 0
1/14/2006 7 Woodbury 1 Stillwater 8
1/14/2006 7 Maple Grove 8 Osseo 1
1/17/2006 7 Fargo North (ND) 0 Moorhead 7
1/17/2006 7 Hutchinson 0 Academy of Holy Angels 7
1/17/2006 7 Eden Prairie 7 Lakev. North 0
1/20/2006 7 Waseca 7 Redwood Valley 0
1/20/2006 7 New Ulm 7 Luverne 0
1/20/2006 7 Academy of Holy Angels 7 Shakopee 0
1/20/2006 7 Kenora - St. Thomas Aquinas (CA) 8 Lake of the Woods 1
1/21/2006 7 Park of Cottage Grove 0 Stillwater 7
1/24/2006 7 Park Center 7 Osseo 0
1/24/2006 7 Duluth Central/Denfeld 2 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton 9
1/26/2006 7 Moorhead 7 Thief River Falls 0
1/27/2006 7 Moose Lake 0 Silver Bay/Two Harbors 7
1/27/2006 7 Blizzard (WI) 0 Baraboo (WI) 7
1/27/2006 7 Champlin Park 0 North St. Paul Polars 7
1/28/2006 7 Bloom. Jefferson 7 Bloom. Kennedy 0
1/28/2006 7 Blake 7 St. Paul United 0
1/28/2006 7 Benilde-St. Margarets 8 Spring Lake Park/St. Anthony 1
1/28/2006 7 Albert Lea Tigers 1 Roch. John Marshall/Century 8
1/31/2006 7 Eden Prairie 8 Chaska 1
1/31/2006 7 Superior (WI) 0 Duluth East 7
2/3/2006 7 Buffalo 8 Princeton 1
2/3/2006 7 Prior Lake 8 Red Wing 1
2/4/2006 7 St. Francis/North Branch 9 Tri-City 2
2/7/2006 7 Worthington 0 Mankato West 7
2/11/2006 7 Litchfield/Dassel-Cokato 0 Alexandria 7
2/11/2006 7 Orono 0 Mound-Westonka 7
2/11/2006 7 Bloom. Jefferson 0 Benilde-St. Margarets 7
2/11/2006 7 Rogers 1 Anoka 8
2/24/2006 7 Stillwater 9 Moorhead 2