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old goalie85 wrote:I think they are out of Prior Lake/ They run the Warrior Cup in the spring.

ran out of Richfield with the NAHL Magicians. Related indirectly to the Magicians out of Shakopee/Prior Lake.

Thanks Doc. I saw they were on the Prior Lake/Shock web.

old goalie85 wrote:I think they are out of Prior Lake/ They run the Warrior Cup in the spring.

I believe the Magicians Tier 1 Program is run out of Richfield under the NAHL Magicians Organization.

same organization. use different rinks, but same organization.

Looks like a lot of the U16 Magicians played for different high schools last year and most of B-E are from out of the state. Based on their roster on the NAHL showcase site they have a lot kids from CO, WA, AZ and the Dakotas.

Juggernaut wrote:Looks like a lot of the U16 Magicians played for different high schools last year and most of B-E are from out of the state. Based on their roster on the NAHL showcase site they have a lot kids from CO, WA, AZ and the Dakotas.

Looks like B-E is thin on numbers for the 16's and 18's based on their rosters that are posted. I'd assume they'll have a few more guys coming in this weekend?

The U18's should have the numbers to play, I think the U16's are making other plans. I believe they are not going to be playing in Blaine. The ?'s will have to wait to be answered.

B-E U16s aren't playing. A second team from the MNEPDL is taking their place.

I don't understand how this could effect Mn hockey. These kids are from all over. I just don't get it. My oldest son played vs M Lucia/my 98 played Bantam last year vs The Wilds head coach out in Woodbury.[I can't think of his name ] I've seen Nanne kids come all the way up. Chorski/Lannenbrener/Zamolic........... [In the Mn model] I would think these people know what the heck they are doing. Why do some of you winter AAA folks think this is a death sentence for Mn hockey ???

Dr. G

Please do not lump the Blades in with for-profit groups. The Minnesota Blades are a certified non-profit organization and have been for many years. None of our directors take any money. We even pay for our own kids to play. For this reason, a typical youth Blades team costs about 65% of the for profit groups.

In addition, we are supporters of Minnesota Hockey and the community model. We have worked well with Minnesota Hockey for 25 years and will contine to do so. We will also continute to provide Blades players the best coaching, teammates and competion that we can find for them.

terrymoore1717 wrote:Dr. G

Please do not lump the Blades in with for-profit groups. The Minnesota Blades are a certified non-profit organization and have been for many years. None of our directors take any money. We even pay for our own kids to play. For this reason, a typical youth Blades team costs about 65% of the for profit groups.

In addition, we are supporters of Minnesota Hockey and the community model. We have worked well with Minnesota Hockey for 25 years and will continue to do so. We will also continue to provide Blades players the best coaching, teammates and competition that we can find for them.

I think you may have the wrong guy ... or thread ... or something.

I love and adore the before/after hockey model.

It's very possible in the past that i had taken a dig at the Blades, but never for this. Normally it revolves around the claiming of training players on your website that skated a tourney or two. According to that logic, I've coached 2 players to the NHL. Just saying.

I also corrected your spelling errors. You're welcome.

Also chiming in on probably the wrong thread, but so happy to see some people out there supporting the Mn HS model. I stand by the 'if the player is good enough they will be noticed' mantra. Hopefully enough people in MN are thinking BIG picture which isn't what path to take to the NHL, but what experiences will my kid take away from the sport overall. Tough to beat playing with classmates and lifelong friends for your school/town. Those bonds and memories are priceless regardless of what happens after you are 17/18. To each his own I guess.

The fact that B-E has a relatively small percentage of kids from Mn speaks to strength of the community/HS model. Now for Minn hockey to allowing this before/after model, I think it will be even harder for the B-E type schools to attract local kids.

Wait till schools like Hill and Edina and such make there cuts of very good hockey players. BE can add to their roster till some time in December if they like. BE boys started very late as well for many to consider this kind of leap from traditional school and hockey. Several players they already had on board went in other directions because they could not wait to find out what the BE landscape would look like. I think you will see more interest with MN boys leaving weak HS teams next year as we have seen with the girls BE team this year.

mnhockeyguy2014 wrote:Wait till schools like Hill and Edina and such make there cuts of very good hockey players. BE can add to their roster till some time in December if they like. BE boys started very late as well for many to consider this kind of leap from traditional school and hockey. Several players they already had on board went in other directions because they could not wait to find out what the BE landscape would look like. I think you will see more interest with MN boys leaving weak HS teams next year as we have seen with the girls BE team this year.

If their strategy is to fill their team with players that get cut from High Schools then I don't think the MN model has too much to worry about.

Froggy Richards wrote: If their strategy is to fill their team with players that get cut from High Schools then I don't think the MN model has too much to worry about.

Nice segue into the annual cakeeater claims that their Junior Gold A team is better than many AA high school teams.

Some of those players were on state tourney teams last season. Wouldn't say those top girls left due to their "weak" team. I'm sure the reasons for moving to BE varied greatly, but considering the novel aspects of the program and the success most had enjoyed as individuals and on MSHL teams - those players were moving TO something rather than AWAY from what they had. IMHO the Tier 1 option for girls is a different program and system, but whether it's better? Neither Tier 1 nor MSHL/association has a monopoly on
what's better. I still question the quality and rigor on the academic side, but girls who are already getting recruited at traditional schools may see a big upside in quantity and quality of college options by playing in games and tourneys which are more highly scouted. Pace of play, quality of opponents, extensive travel... A great in between program bookended by high school and college hockey.

We should be happy to welcome the outstate BE or Magician kids, even if not MSHSL, because whatever outstate hockey kids we can pickoff is a sign of overall health of hockey here. And it increases spotlight on Minn successes, and creates economic activity here

Minn needs to attract MORE outstate kids, not less, to help preserve its community model and national ranking reputation in the long run.

Because we won't have enough future internal youth hockey organic population growth compared to the explosive megapopulation center youth hockey growth

The BE or Magician kids will go home and talk up Minnesota. Scouts will see them in Minnesota and further talk up Minnesota. This is in addition to youth hockey coaches around the country already contacting MSHSL coaches on regular basis about openings. Hopefully, all this would further encourage young hockey oriented families around the country to transfer jobs to Minn with kids at mite or squirt age, to fully integrate them into our community association youth leagues and MSHSL schools

I, for one am very happy that BE is attracting out of state kids. But let's be clear these out of state kids, they will likely be mostly playing in tier 1 tourney's in other state where tier 1 is the norm. As for the Magician kids, they are local kids from various High Schools like PL, Breck, Lakeville...

Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:Some of those players were on state tourney teams last season. Wouldn't say those top girls left due to their "weak" team.

Yes some were in State Tourney in Class A. Girls are leaving weak AAs like Rogers, Elk River, MN Novas, Roseau and others. If you want to call SPU, EGF and other A schools strong progams feel free to do so. I suppose you consider New Ulm strong program cause they go to State every year and lose 1st game 10-0!..Scouts are telling kids in some of theses situations to get out and get more and better training and competition and develope to your pontential... Sorry if the truth hurts! Not the road for all players and families but it is for others!

Froggy Richards wrote:

mnhockeyguy2014 wrote:Wait till schools like Hill and Edina and such make there cuts of very good hockey players. BE can add to their roster till some time in December if they like. BE boys started very late as well for many to consider this kind of leap from traditional school and hockey. Several players they already had on board went in other directions because they could not wait to find out what the BE landscape would look like. I think you will see more interest with MN boys leaving weak HS teams next year as we have seen with the girls BE team this year.

If their strategy is to fill their team with players that get cut from High Schools then I don't think the MN model has too much to worry about.

Do you really consider programs like Hill Murray or Edina the average MN Hockey Model?? I do not. Talent enough to choose from to pass up late peaking great players IMO. Give them more extended quality training and who knows the potential!??

Mnhock you should read through entire posts before lashing out at one sentence in mine or others' opinion. Clearly pro BE and Tier 1 model for hockey development. But no matter how you try to convince yourself the academic side is at best untested and at worst dismal.

DrGaf wrote:
For profit hockey will destroy what we have. The only reason Minnesota is what it is, is because of the community model. My god, I do not want to live in a world of Acheiver Academy Bauer-Emerson McBain Moore short STicked PUck heads.

Dr. G-you probalby forgot about this post. It ws a couple weeks back but just was called to my attention. I want to make sure no one inadvertantly identifies the Blades with the for-profits that are now coming to the scene.

My own opinon is that the two-year community model combined with the birth-year off season teams is MN's secret sauce. For example, over the 24 months he is a Peewee, little Johnny will compete as a younger player (first year) as a mid-aged player (AAA) and as an older player (second year). This creates three different situations and really helps development.

terrymoore1717 wrote:

DrGaf wrote:
For profit hockey will destroy what we have. The only reason Minnesota is what it is, is because of the community model. My god, I do not want to live in a world of Acheiver Academy Bauer-Emerson McBain Moore short STicked PUck heads.

Dr. G-you probalby forgot about this post. It ws a couple weeks back but just was called to my attention. I want to make sure no one inadvertantly identifies the Blades with the for-profits that are now coming to the scene.

My own opinon is that the two-year community model combined with the birth-year off season teams is MN's secret sauce. For example, over the 24 months he is a Peewee, little Johnny will compete as a younger player (first year) as a mid-aged player (AAA) and as an older player (second year). This creates three different situations and really helps development.

This is a very good point. In Season Community Model and Offseason AAA complement each other very well. Full time Tier 1 doesn't have much to offer, especially if you have to sacrifice your childhood and your education.

Froggy Richards wrote:

terrymoore1717 wrote:

DrGaf wrote:
For profit hockey will destroy what we have. The only reason Minnesota is what it is, is because of the community model. My god, I do not want to live in a world of Acheiver Academy Bauer-Emerson McBain Moore short STicked PUck heads.

Dr. G-you probalby forgot about this post. It ws a couple weeks back but just was called to my attention. I want to make sure no one inadvertantly identifies the Blades with the for-profits that are now coming to the scene.

My own opinon is that the two-year community model combined with the birth-year off season teams is MN's secret sauce. For example, over the 24 months he is a Peewee, little Johnny will compete as a younger player (first year) as a mid-aged player (AAA) and as an older player (second year). This creates three different situations and really helps development.

This is a very good point. In Season Community Model and Offseason AAA complement each other very well. Full time Tier 1 doesn't have much to offer, especially if you have to sacrifice your childhood and your education.

In regards to education I am sure that was directed toward B-E and it is what it is.... As for suggesting that playing Tier 1 winter hockey sacrifices your childhood compared to your community based hockey, well that's complete nonsense. I personally know dozens upon dozens of kids who play hockey for their associations in MN that practice and play more hockey than their Tier 1 peers, and frankly when you combine their off seson AAA teams they even travel more than most Tier 1 kids that I know and depending on the offseason program they choose it even keeps them from playing other sports more often than their Tier 1 brethren in other states. You guys produce alot of great hockey players and I don't have aproblem with your model but when you take a clearly inaccurate point of view like that I feel compelled to chime in and correct you...