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Updated 12/02 AM:

No Score Reported for These Games:

Thu, December 1, 2011
St. Paul Blades vs. Minneapolis
Spring Lk Pk/St. Anth Vill vs. North Wright County
Tartan vs. Rogers
New Ulm vs. Hutchinson
Holy Angels vs. Chaska/Chanhassen
Farmington vs. New Prague
Austin vs. Winona
Eagan vs. Cretin-Derham Hall
Rosemount vs. Breck

Tue, November 29, 2011
Orono 8 vs. Mankato West 0 - just not updated yet

Updated 12/02 NOON:

NONE!!!

Updated 12/03 AM:

No Score Reported for These Games:

NONE!!!

Updated 12/04 AM:

No Score Reported for These Games:

Sat, December 3, 2011
Edina 5 vs. Warroad 2 - just not updated yet
Eveleth-Gilbert vs. Princeton
Farmington 1 vs. Lakeville South 3 - just not updated yet
Breck vs. Rochester Mayo
Blake 10 vs. St. Paul Blades 1 - just not updated yet
Stillwater Area 12 vs. Woodbury 1 - just not updated yet
Coon Rapids 0 vs. Maple Grove 5 - just not updated yet

Updated 12/04 NOON:

No Score Reported for These Games:

Sat, December 3, 2011
Eveleth-Gilbert 1 vs. Princeton 7 - Just not entered yet
Breck vs. Rochester Mayo - PPD

Updated 12/05 NOON:

NONE!!!

Updated 12/06 AM:

No Score Reported for These Games:

NONE!!!

Updated 12/07 AM:

No Score Reported for These Games:

Tue, December 6, 2011
Hutchinson vs. Mankato West
Wayzata vs. Edina
Alexandria vs. Morris/Benson Area
Chaska/Chanhassen vs. Shakopee
Mounds View vs. Cretin-Derham Hall
Park Rapids Area vs. Thief River Falls
Albert Lea vs. Austin

I have been asked a couple questions about some highly ranked teams with great records but that have weaker SOS to-date and what this means for their long-term ranking.

As one could guess, as they start to play some higher-ranked opponents, their ranking will become more solid - or well defined, and far less volatile.

Unfortunately, teams often have no control over the bulk of their schedule due to conference play and subsequently don't see many teams ranked in the top 20, or even half, in the state. These teams are often Class A teams, with few exceptions.

Also, some coaches that do have schedule control sometimes prefer to player a weaker early-season NC schedule and this is simply a matter of preference. I think the notion here is that it can build confidence - especially with younger teams. I don't agree with this approach, but that's just my preference.

Note that this doesn't mean that these teams won't be highly-ranked all year. It simply means that they have to prove it against some higher-ranked opponents to justify this high-ranking to KRACH.

Most obvious of these teams include (from the top 35 overall - in order from weakest to strongest SOS to-date):

TEAM - OA RK - RECORD - SOS RK - SOS AVG - CL - SEC
Dodge County - 16 - 5-0-0 - 112 - 88.4 - AA - 1
Orono - 14 - 5-0-0 - 105 - 83.400 - A - 5
Mankato East/Loyola - 33 - 5-1-0 - 101 82.000 - A - 2
Mound-Westonka - 9 - 7-0-0 - 94 - 77.000 - A - 2
Thief River Falls - 15 - 6-0-1 - 92 - 76.429 - A - 8
Chisago Lakes Area - 35 - 6-2-0 - 89 - 75.250 - A - 7
Mahtomedi - 23 - 5-1-0 - 84 - 72.333 - A - 4
Moorhead - 24 - 4-1-0 - 80 - 70.000 - AA - 8
Red Wing - 31 - 5-2-0 - 73 - 65.857 - A - 1


Other teams right on the edge of this same scenario - to-date - are:
Hopkins
Hutchinson
South St. Paul
Apple Valley
Rogers
Wayzata
Irondale
White Bear Lake
Stillwater
Eagan

It will be interesting to follow these teams over time and see how it all plays out.

Good luck to all teams!

OVERALL:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA.htm

SOS (Strength-Of-Schedule) is at:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SOS.htm

No Score Reported for These Games:

Tue, December 6, 2011
Hutchinson vs. Mankato West
Wayzata vs. Edina
Alexandria vs. Morris/Benson Area
Chaska/Chanhassen vs. Shakopee
Mounds View vs. Cretin-Derham Hall
Park Rapids Area vs. Thief River Falls
Albert Lea vs. Austin

MV 4, CDH 3

Updated 12/07 PM:

No Score Reported for These Games:

Tue, December 6, 2011
Hutchinson vs. Mankato West
Alexandria vs. Morris/Benson Area
Chaska/Chanhassen vs. Shakopee
Park Rapids Area vs. Thief River Falls

ghshockeyfan wrote:No Score Reported for These Games:

Tue, December 6, 2011
Hutchinson vs. Mankato West
Alexandria vs. Morris/Benson Area
Chaska/Chanhassen vs. Shakopee
Park Rapids Area vs. Thief River Falls

Hockey Hub shows:

Hutchinson 4, Mankato West 3
Alexandria vs. Morris/Benson Area POSTPONED
Chaska/Chanhassen 3, Shakopee 3
Park Rapids Area 0, Thief River Falls 6 (this game was played on Saturday, November 26th)

MNHockeyFan wrote:

ghshockeyfan wrote:No Score Reported for These Games:

Tue, December 6, 2011
Hutchinson vs. Mankato West
Alexandria vs. Morris/Benson Area
Chaska/Chanhassen vs. Shakopee
Park Rapids Area vs. Thief River Falls

Hockey Hub shows:

Hutchinson 4, Mankato West 3
Alexandria vs. Morris/Benson Area POSTPONED
Chaska/Chanhassen 3, Shakopee 3
Park Rapids Area 0, Thief River Falls 6 (this game was played on Saturday, November 26th)

THANKS! I sent this in and we'll wait for an update...

Updated 12/08 4PM:

No Score Reported for These Games:

NONE!!!

Updated 12/09 AM:

No Score Reported for These Games:

Thu, December 8, 2011
Elk River/Zimmerman vs. Eden Prairie
International Falls vs. Lake of the Woods

Those records are all wrong

Tigers33 wrote:Those records are all wrong

example(s)?

ghshockeyfan wrote:No Score Reported for These Games:

Thu, December 8, 2011
Elk River/Zimmerman vs. Eden Prairie
International Falls vs. Lake of the Woods

As mentioned in the Big Games thread the Minneapolis paper shows a 5-5 OT Tie between Elk River/Zimmerman and Eden Prairie. It has the box score so it's probably legit.

GHS -

Look at your scores in the SOS list and compare those to your AA and A rankings. The records dont match up. I believe the strength of schedule has it correct and the records in the AA/A are inaccurate.

Tigers33 wrote:GHS -

Look at your scores in the SOS list and compare those to your AA and A rankings. The records dont match up. I believe the strength of schedule has it correct and the records in the AA/A are inaccurate.

I'll take a look now - thanks for the heads-up!

MNHockeyFan wrote:

ghshockeyfan wrote:No Score Reported for These Games:

Thu, December 8, 2011
Elk River/Zimmerman vs. Eden Prairie
International Falls vs. Lake of the Woods

As mentioned in the Big Games thread the Minneapolis paper shows a 5-5 OT Tie between Elk River/Zimmerman and Eden Prairie. It has the box score so it's probably legit.

Looks like MN Scores is going with the 5-5 T as well.

ghshockeyfan wrote:

Tigers33 wrote:GHS -

Look at your scores in the SOS list and compare those to your AA and A rankings. The records dont match up. I believe the strength of schedule has it correct and the records in the AA/A are inaccurate.

I'll take a look now - thanks for the heads-up!

Hmm.. I took a quick - and I mean quick - look and all the records in the five ranking types match-up. I also compared to MN Scores records and the only differences I saw were for teams with Non-MN MSHSL opponents (expected since KRACH doesn't count those games).

I'm going to re-run and re-post as there could have been an issue with the posting and something getting out-of-sync. Plus the EP/ER game is in now so that is another reason to re-run.

Updated 12/09 NOON:

No Score Reported for These Games:

NONE!!!

Updated 12/10 NOON:

No Score Reported for These Games:

Fri, December 9, 2011
Litchfield/Dassel-Cokato vs. Hutchinson

Updated 12/11 NOON:

No Score Reported for These Games:

Sat, December 10, 2011
Park Rapids Area vs. Eveleth-Gilbert
Burnsville 5 vs. Rosemount 5 - just not posted yet
Coon Rapids vs. Anoka
Willmar vs. St. Peter/L-H/M-L