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hockeyover40 wrote:This subject is really getting old, but I'll try and play devils advocate again. Muck, How is what BM is doing any different than Dist 6? He is giving the Machine kids a choice, either play for the Machine or the Brick. But you can't do both. The same analogy you say is perfectly fine when Dist 6 says it. You can play Dist 6 or Choice, but you can't do both. Do I agree with BM's stance? NO. And I don't agree with Dist 6's either. Toomuch, I agree that BM does not have your kids best interest in mind when he doesn't let them play for the Brick team. I also don't think Dist 6 doesn't have your kids best interests in mind either. So, it seems guys, that the arguments against one party could be turned around and used against both parties.

You're right. But I'm not the one filing the lawsuit to prevent D6's rule. BM is. That makes HIM the hypocrite.

My point was that, while you may not agree with D6's rule - They have the right to enact it.....just as BM has the right to create and enforce his own rules. But it's WAY beyond hypocracy for BM to enforce that rule for his players, but then turn around and sue District 6 for enforcing the same rule.

Can't you see that???

muckandgrind wrote:

hockeyover40 wrote:This subject is really getting old, but I'll try and play devils advocate again. Muck, How is what BM is doing any different than Dist 6? He is giving the Machine kids a choice, either play for the Machine or the Brick. But you can't do both. The same analogy you say is perfectly fine when Dist 6 says it. You can play Dist 6 or Choice, but you can't do both. Do I agree with BM's stance? NO. And I don't agree with Dist 6's either. Toomuch, I agree that BM does not have your kids best interest in mind when he doesn't let them play for the Brick team. I also don't think Dist 6 doesn't have your kids best interests in mind either. So, it seems guys, that the arguments against one party could be turned around and used against both parties.

You're right. But I'm not the one filing the lawsuit to prevent D6's rule. BM is. That makes HIM the hypocrite.

My point was that, while you may not agree with D6's rule - They have the right to enact it.....just as BM has the right to create and enforce his own rules. But it's WAY beyond hypocracy for BM to enforce that rule for his players, but then turn around and sue District 6 for enforcing the same rule.

Can't you see that???

I don't know... they seem like very different issues.

HockeyDad41 wrote:

muckandgrind wrote:

hockeyover40 wrote:This subject is really getting old, but I'll try and play devils advocate again. Muck, How is what BM is doing any different than Dist 6? He is giving the Machine kids a choice, either play for the Machine or the Brick. But you can't do both. The same analogy you say is perfectly fine when Dist 6 says it. You can play Dist 6 or Choice, but you can't do both. Do I agree with BM's stance? NO. And I don't agree with Dist 6's either. Toomuch, I agree that BM does not have your kids best interest in mind when he doesn't let them play for the Brick team. I also don't think Dist 6 doesn't have your kids best interests in mind either. So, it seems guys, that the arguments against one party could be turned around and used against both parties.

You're right. But I'm not the one filing the lawsuit to prevent D6's rule. BM is. That makes HIM the hypocrite.

My point was that, while you may not agree with D6's rule - They have the right to enact it.....just as BM has the right to create and enforce his own rules. But it's WAY beyond hypocracy for BM to enforce that rule for his players, but then turn around and sue District 6 for enforcing the same rule.

Can't you see that???

I don't know... they seem like very different issues.

How so?

muckandgrind wrote:

hockeyover40 wrote:This subject is really getting old, but I'll try and play devils advocate again. Muck, How is what BM is doing any different than Dist 6? He is giving the Machine kids a choice, either play for the Machine or the Brick. But you can't do both. The same analogy you say is perfectly fine when Dist 6 says it. You can play Dist 6 or Choice, but you can't do both. Do I agree with BM's stance? NO. And I don't agree with Dist 6's either. Toomuch, I agree that BM does not have your kids best interest in mind when he doesn't let them play for the Brick team. I also don't think Dist 6 doesn't have your kids best interests in mind either. So, it seems guys, that the arguments against one party could be turned around and used against both parties.

You're right. But I'm not the one filing the lawsuit to prevent D6's rule. BM is. That makes HIM the hypocrite.

My point was that, while you may not agree with D6's rule - They have the right to enact it.....just as BM has the right to create and enforce his own rules. But it's WAY beyond hypocracy for BM to enforce that rule for his players, but then turn around and sue District 6 for enforcing the same rule.

Can't you see that???

I do see that. He's being a hypocrite. I won't argue that. Some might say that he's always had that rule for his players, and that the suing is protecting his business. But, that's another subject. He's not the first person acting like a hypocrite, and he won't be the last. Taking the hypocrite out of the equation, it sounds like you agree with what Dist 6 is doing but against what BM is doing, when it's virtually the same thing. I've stated I'm against both rules. What's your stance?

muckandgrind wrote:

hockeyover40 wrote:This subject is really getting old, but I'll try and play devils advocate again. Muck, How is what BM is doing any different than Dist 6? He is giving the Machine kids a choice, either play for the Machine or the Brick. But you can't do both. The same analogy you say is perfectly fine when Dist 6 says it. You can play Dist 6 or Choice, but you can't do both. Do I agree with BM's stance? NO. And I don't agree with Dist 6's either. Toomuch, I agree that BM does not have your kids best interest in mind when he doesn't let them play for the Brick team. I also don't think Dist 6 doesn't have your kids best interests in mind either. So, it seems guys, that the arguments against one party could be turned around and used against both parties.

You're right. But I'm not the one filing the lawsuit to prevent D6's rule. BM is. That makes HIM the hypocrite.

My point was that, while you may not agree with D6's rule - They have the right to enact it.....just as BM has the right to create and enforce his own rules. But it's WAY beyond hypocracy for BM to enforce that rule for his players, but then turn around and sue District 6 for enforcing the same rule.

Can't you see that???

Muck...you are spot on but they really don't have the RIGHT to do this. I mean, it's not protected under the Bill of Rights is it? I think the better choice of words is they have the POWER or JURISDICTION to do this. Although, maybe through this lawsuit the court shapes the language to include that D6 and/or BM has the RIGHT to dictate where children play sports.

But make no bones about it boys and girls, this is about one thing and one thing only - MONEY. And I'm talking on both side of the fence.

hockeyover40 wrote:

muckandgrind wrote:

hockeyover40 wrote:This subject is really getting old, but I'll try and play devils advocate again. Muck, How is what BM is doing any different than Dist 6? He is giving the Machine kids a choice, either play for the Machine or the Brick. But you can't do both. The same analogy you say is perfectly fine when Dist 6 says it. You can play Dist 6 or Choice, but you can't do both. Do I agree with BM's stance? NO. And I don't agree with Dist 6's either. Toomuch, I agree that BM does not have your kids best interest in mind when he doesn't let them play for the Brick team. I also don't think Dist 6 doesn't have your kids best interests in mind either. So, it seems guys, that the arguments against one party could be turned around and used against both parties.

You're right. But I'm not the one filing the lawsuit to prevent D6's rule. BM is. That makes HIM the hypocrite.

My point was that, while you may not agree with D6's rule - They have the right to enact it.....just as BM has the right to create and enforce his own rules. But it's WAY beyond hypocracy for BM to enforce that rule for his players, but then turn around and sue District 6 for enforcing the same rule.

Can't you see that???

I do see that. He's being a hypocrite. I won't argue that. Some might say that he's always had that rule for his players, and that the suing is protecting his business. But, that's another subject. He's not the first person acting like a hypocrite, and he won't be the last. Taking the hypocrite out of the equation, it sounds like you agree with what Dist 6 is doing but against what BM is doing, when it's virtually the same thing. I've stated I'm against both rules. What's your stance?

I don't necessarily agree with the District 6 rule. But that's not my point. My argument was that they have the JURISDICTION (thanks JoltDelivered, better term) to make that rule, while others are arguing that they don't because they are a non-profit. Just as BM has the power to set rules regarding his operation.

You don't have to agree with the rules to understand that they CAN set their own rules. I just have a hard time with BM playing both sides of the same coin.

2001 Fire looking for Blades and Machine players !!!!!!

Relax folks. This is just another tournament for 9-10 year olds. Why this tournament is supposed to be better than any other out there is a mystery. At the end of the day you still have a bunch of 9-10 year olds out there trying to take it coast to coast far more often than they pass.

Kudos to the Brick people who have been very successful in promoting an almost meaningless tournament to the point where grown and allegedly mature adults will act like idiots trying to get their kids into it.

HD 41,

That is probably the single most accurate, articulate post I have ever read on this board. Well said.

It seems to me that we build these events up way too big for the kids at this age. Don't get me wrong, the Brick sounds like fun, and I understand why people want to go. But there is a danger that if we build these youth tournaments up at such a young age, that the kids become almost 'conditioned' or 'numb' to tournaments later on. Fast forward... I'm in high school and my coach is giving me a pep talk before my first game in the high school state tournament. He sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher. I've been in many big tournaments before... yawn...

Marty Moose wrote:HD 41,

That is probably the single most accurate, articulate post I have ever read on this board. Well said.

It seems to me that we build these events up way too big for the kids at this age. Don't get me wrong, the Brick sounds like fun, and I understand why people want to go. But there is a danger that if we build these youth tournaments up at such a young age, that the kids become almost 'conditioned' or 'numb' to tournaments later on. Fast forward... I'm in high school and my coach is giving me a pep talk before my first game in the high school state tournament. He sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher. I've been in many big tournaments before... yawn...

I think if you really talked to people
Who have been there at that tournament you would get the real
Story on the tournament. It is the best tournament for that age in the world! Is the little league world aeries
Just another youth baseball tournament.

Have you ever been to the Brick or is it here say?

chumlee from the brick wrote:Have you ever been to the Brick or is it here say?

Here say

Marty Moose wrote:Fast forward... I'm in high school and my coach is giving me a pep talk before my first game in the high school state tournament. He sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher. I've been in many big tournaments before... yawn...

The corrollary is that coaches want kids that have "been there" before and won't be overwhelmed when they hit the big stage.

I find it odd that people disparage the experiences kids have with youth sports. I didn't play in the NHL, but I got to play in Jets Arena and the Met Center. It was fun.

Our family would be up for the Brick.

Is your career over if you don't go? No.

But I bet it's fun. (Second-hand description from a family that went.)

Thats face the facts the blades are in trouble if they dont do well up there this year there charter will be gone thats why there out begging the 01 machine kids to play for them and they never in the past had open tryouts

So is this really about the Machine hoping the Blades fail thinking that they are next in line for the "charter?"

I don't think this is a Blades and a Machine issue. It's parents from other AAA clubs that wish they were part of the Blades or Machine programs. Both programs do a great job.

Do you really think 01 parents sit around and "think" I wish my 01 was able to drink orange koo-aid. The fact is the 01 Blades with 4 or 5 kids from other non-made programs will be just fine, would they be better with the machine kids? YES, but we will never know will we. Why?? That's my ?

old goalie85 wrote:Do you really think 01 parents sit around and "think" I wish my 01 was able to drink orange koo-aid. The fact is the 01 Blades with 4 or 5 kids from other non-made programs will be just fine, would they be better with the machine kids? YES, but we will never know will we. Why?? That's my ?

Do you really not understand why the coach of of one team would not want to lose his players for a month or whatever it takes to do this tournament?

HockeyDad41 wrote:

old goalie85 wrote:Do you really think 01 parents sit around and "think" I wish my 01 was able to drink orange koo-aid. The fact is the 01 Blades with 4 or 5 kids from other non-made programs will be just fine, would they be better with the machine kids? YES, but we will never know will we. Why?? That's my ?

Do you really not understand why the coach of of one team would not want to lose his players for a month or whatever it takes to do this tournament?

I understand. They have their best interest in mind. The blades coaching staff is better and the brick experience is the best out there. If these kids went there than they may see the light and not go back. So it seems completely logical to prevent them from going

chumlee from the brick wrote:I don't think this is a Blades and a Machine issue. It's parents from other AAA clubs that wish they were part of the Blades or Machine programs. Both programs do a great job.

I'm sure they all sit at home and cry ---get over yourself!!

hotsauce wrote:

HockeyDad41 wrote:

old goalie85 wrote:Do you really think 01 parents sit around and "think" I wish my 01 was able to drink orange koo-aid. The fact is the 01 Blades with 4 or 5 kids from other non-made programs will be just fine, would they be better with the machine kids? YES, but we will never know will we. Why?? That's my ?

Do you really not understand why the coach of of one team would not want to lose his players for a month or whatever it takes to do this tournament?

I understand. They have their best interest in mind.

Exactly. It is not in the best interest of the team to be split up like that. It would not help the team achieve their goals for next summer.

[quote="hotsauce"][quote="HockeyDad41"][quote="old goalie85"]Do you really think 01 parents sit around and "think" I wish my 01 was able to drink orange koo-aid. The fact is the 01 Blades with 4 or 5 kids from other non-made programs will be just fine, would they be better with the machine kids? YES, but we will never know will we. [b]Why?? [/b]That's my ?[/quote]

Do you really not understand why the coach of of one team would not want to lose his players for a month or whatever it takes to do this tournament?[/quote]

I understand. They have their best interest in mind. The blades coaching staff is better and the brick experience is the best out there. If these kids went there than they may see the light and not go back. So it seems completely logical to prevent them from going[/quote]

Hotsauce you said you've never been to the Brick ? Are you getting all your info from watching video's?

quote="chumlee from the brick"]Hotsauce you said you've never been to the Brick ? Are you getting all your info from watching video's?[/quote]

I have been to the brick. It is the best youth hockey tournament I have ever seen and it's not close. I understand the reasoning behind mm not allowing their players to go. It wouldn't make business sense. It's just unfortunate everyone couldn't put their differences aside for a couple weeks. It is pointless to continue to beat the topic to death. The decision has been made. The kids that get to go instead will be the ultimate winners.