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So just because they were coaches last year(s) you stick with them?

Who's better for the teams development?

This has parallels to recruiting the 4 year player or the 1 and done player. Maybe you elevate your PW program for 2 years, but you are starting over finding decent coaches in 3 years.

iwearmysunglassesatnight wrote:Are the peewee A coaches from last year at Wayzata coming back?
How many years have they been there?

LP hasn't been there for more than two years. Tom Younghans coached the Wayzata A PeeWee team for a few years, but now is the head coach at Minneapolis West. I know Younghans won at least 1 state title, not sure if he won multiple.

That is the irony of the situation, Younghans shortened the bench, did not focus on skill development the way LP does, and told the Board to shove it if he did not like something. He was asked back. Yes he won a championship, but Wayzata also took 1st and 2nd in the B1 tourney. They probably had 45 "A" Players to make a team of 15 top "A" players.

Sounds like Maruk is doing a fine job, but then again, most anyone other than Mr. Davis could coach that team to a championship. The board is talking out of both sides of its mouth if they accept Younghans, but reject LP.

No matter what, Wayzata will be a top 5 team and will challenge for the state championship. These kids won at Fargo two year ago and have a lot of competition for those 15 spots.

Toomuchtoosoon wrote:That is the irony of the situation, Younghans shortened the bench, did not focus on skill development the way LP does, and told the Board to shove it if he did not like something. He was asked back. Yes he won a championship, but Wayzata also took 1st and 2nd in the B1 tourney. They probably had 45 "A" Players to make a team of 15 top "A" players.

Sounds like Maruk is doing a fine job, but then again, most anyone other than Mr. Davis could coach that team to a championship. The board is talking out of both sides of its mouth if they accept Younghans, but reject LP.

No matter what, Wayzata will be a top 5 team and will challenge for the state championship. These kids won at Fargo two year ago and have a lot of competition for those 15 spots.

I don't have a problem with shortening the bench at the PeeWee and Bantam levels in certain situations. But at the PeeWee level is should be done less than at the Bantam level.

Do you have skaters in the Wayzata program that played under Younghans? I wasn't aware that he didn't pay any attention to development.

Just pointing out the irony. LP focuses on player development more than most coaches. Younghans is a good coach, but does not focus as much on it. LP follows the policies of the board closer than others, but he gets the heat due to some animosity of some parents.

Why take a shot at Coach Davis, what does he have to do with this discussion?

The question gets asked a lot-How come there is so much youth talent in Wayzata, but they never win at the high school leve? Some point to his lack of leadership and inability to coach. A lot of the top kids do not want to play for him and go elsewhere. I know there were numerous Bantam A players who were looking outside of Wayzata for high school due to this concern (growing trend). It was a cheap shot, but one I could not pass up. Most parents, myself included, have not been impressed with how he interacts with the younger kids. Not many aspire to play for him. Just my observation and opinion.

Here is my question: why are we having this discussion if LP and the current coaches should be working together for the benefit of the kids? The current coaches are long term and have been coaching in the WYHA for longer than LP. They have coached PWs and Bantams as assistant and head coaches. Why even consider moving them out-makes no sense? LP would only be a 2 term coach at PWs if his son made the team this year.

Toomuchtoosoon wrote:The question gets asked a lot-How come there is so much youth talent in Wayzata, but they never win at the high school leve? Some point to his lack of leadership and inability to coach. A lot of the top kids do not want to play for him and go elsewhere. I know there were numerous Bantam A players who were looking outside of Wayzata for high school due to this concern (growing trend). It was a cheap shot, but one I could not pass up. Most parents, myself included, have not been impressed with how he interacts with the younger kids. Not many aspire to play for him. Just my observation and opinion.

I've heard the same story for years, nobody wants to play for Coach Davis. The reality is, parents are getting out of control when it comes to the talent level of their kid(s). Is it the kids who don't want to play for Coach Davis or the overbearing parents who think their kids are headed to the NHL?

bananastick wrote:

Toomuchtoosoon wrote:The question gets asked a lot-How come there is so much youth talent in Wayzata, but they never win at the high school leve? Some point to his lack of leadership and inability to coach. A lot of the top kids do not want to play for him and go elsewhere. I know there were numerous Bantam A players who were looking outside of Wayzata for high school due to this concern (growing trend). It was a cheap shot, but one I could not pass up. Most parents, myself included, have not been impressed with how he interacts with the younger kids. Not many aspire to play for him. Just my observation and opinion.

I've heard the same story for years, nobody wants to play for Coach Davis. The reality is, parents are getting out of control when it comes to the talent level of their kid(s). Is it the kids who don't want to play for Coach Davis or the overbearing parents who think their kids are headed to the NHL?

I'm not a "Wayzata-Insider", so I won't pretend to understand why some parents are unhappy with the current coach.

But there are many reasons why parents could be unhappy with a coach that don't have anything to do with the parents thinking their kid is a future NHLer.

One possible reason is the lack of communication coming from the coach. That seems to be a common complaint between parents and coaches. It is the coach's responsibility to maintain a clear line of communication to the parents, and if they don't, that could be a valid reason for a parent (or group of parents) to sour on that particular coach.

You also need to look at the way the coach handles the players. If he is the type to berate players in a way that can only harm the player's confindence, that could be another reason.

muckandgrind wrote:

bananastick wrote:

Toomuchtoosoon wrote:The question gets asked a lot-How come there is so much youth talent in Wayzata, but they never win at the high school leve? Some point to his lack of leadership and inability to coach. A lot of the top kids do not want to play for him and go elsewhere. I know there were numerous Bantam A players who were looking outside of Wayzata for high school due to this concern (growing trend). It was a cheap shot, but one I could not pass up. Most parents, myself included, have not been impressed with how he interacts with the younger kids. Not many aspire to play for him. Just my observation and opinion.

I've heard the same story for years, nobody wants to play for Coach Davis. The reality is, parents are getting out of control when it comes to the talent level of their kid(s). Is it the kids who don't want to play for Coach Davis or the overbearing parents who think their kids are headed to the NHL?

I'm not a "Wayzata-Insider", so I won't pretend to understand why some parents are unhappy with the current coach.

But there are many reasons why parents could be unhappy with a coach that don't have anything to do with the parents thinking their kid is a future NHLer.

One possible reason is the lack of communication coming from the coach. That seems to be a common complaint between parents and coaches. It is the coach's responsibility to maintain a clear line of communication to the parents, and if they don't, that could be a valid reason for a parent (or group of parents) to sour on that particular coach.

You also need to look at the way the coach handles the players. If he is the type to berate players in a way that can only harm the player's confindence, that could be another reason.

The parents don't play for the coach the kids do. The coach needs to be clear with the players, if not, then I agree there is an issue.

How come there is so much youth talent in Wayzata, but they never win at the high school level?

Having 175 kids playing hockey in two grades, when you play 3 lines equally and field only one A team, helps you win plenty of A and B1 youth tournament trophies.

In high school the coaches will play the top 10 skaters (and 1 goalie) for 90% of the games. They choose the top ten out of four grades of kids. Most schools can find 10 kids that are relatively competitive with the top 10 in surrounding communities.

bananastick wrote:

muckandgrind wrote:

bananastick wrote: I've heard the same story for years, nobody wants to play for Coach Davis. The reality is, parents are getting out of control when it comes to the talent level of their kid(s). Is it the kids who don't want to play for Coach Davis or the overbearing parents who think their kids are headed to the NHL?

I'm not a "Wayzata-Insider", so I won't pretend to understand why some parents are unhappy with the current coach.

But there are many reasons why parents could be unhappy with a coach that don't have anything to do with the parents thinking their kid is a future NHLer.

One possible reason is the lack of communication coming from the coach. That seems to be a common complaint between parents and coaches. It is the coach's responsibility to maintain a clear line of communication to the parents, and if they don't, that could be a valid reason for a parent (or group of parents) to sour on that particular coach.

You also need to look at the way the coach handles the players. If he is the type to berate players in a way that can only harm the player's confindence, that could be another reason.

The parents don't play for the coach the kids do. The coach needs to be clear with the players, if not, then I agree there is an issue.

I disagree. The coaches need to communicate with the parents as well. ESPECIALLY, if they are a non-parent coach who is being paid by the parents. I'm not saying that they have to let the parents in on every decision they make...but a little feedback would be nice.

muckandgrind wrote:

bananastick wrote:

muckandgrind wrote: I'm not a "Wayzata-Insider", so I won't pretend to understand why some parents are unhappy with the current coach.

But there are many reasons why parents could be unhappy with a coach that don't have anything to do with the parents thinking their kid is a future NHLer.

One possible reason is the lack of communication coming from the coach. That seems to be a common complaint between parents and coaches. It is the coach's responsibility to maintain a clear line of communication to the parents, and if they don't, that could be a valid reason for a parent (or group of parents) to sour on that particular coach.

You also need to look at the way the coach handles the players. If he is the type to berate players in a way that can only harm the player's confindence, that could be another reason.

The parents don't play for the coach the kids do. The coach needs to be clear with the players, if not, then I agree there is an issue.

I disagree. The coaches need to communicate with the parents as well. ESPECIALLY, if they are a non-parent coach who is being paid by the parents. I'm not saying that they have to let the parents in on every decision they make...but a little feedback would be nice.

I was talking about the high school coach, you were talking about a youth coach. I don't disagree on your comment.

bananastick wrote:

muckandgrind wrote:

bananastick wrote: The parents don't play for the coach the kids do. The coach needs to be clear with the players, if not, then I agree there is an issue.

I disagree. The coaches need to communicate with the parents as well. ESPECIALLY, if they are a non-parent coach who is being paid by the parents. I'm not saying that they have to let the parents in on every decision they make...but a little feedback would be nice.

I was talking about the high school coach, you were talking about a youth coach. I don't disagree on your comment.

I agree with you on the HS coach. He should answer only to the Athletic Director of the school. If the parents have a problem with the coach, they should take their issue to the AD.

No to reignite the flame, but there were rumors circulating that one parent who knows what it takes to be a good coach; and is not to fond of over involved parents himself, was looking for alternatives for his kid (his older boy left before eligibility expired to play junior). The beneficiaries of the current situation appear to be Benilde and possibly Blake.

I think I would move away from Wayzata.
White Bear Is Nice

Toomuchtoosoon wrote:No to reignite the flame, but there were rumors circulating that one parent who knows what it takes to be a good coach; and is not to fond of over involved parents himself, was looking for alternatives for his kid (his older boy left before eligibility expired to play junior). The beneficiaries of the current situation appear to be Benilde and possibly Blake.

That is not true, I heard the same rumor and was told it was just that.

Dazed&Confused wrote:I think I would move away from Wayzata.
White Bear Is Nice

I'm taking that as sarcasm....I hope I'm right

Yep! Same story all over.

Update on Wayzata dad feud

LP just landed a new coaching gig. He will be the head coach of
an advanced mite team. BO isn't coaching this year. He will be watching
his son on the PeeWee A team.

It is so good to see the conflict resolved here on the 'bored' rather than at one of the associations public meetings.

Dazed&Confused wrote:I think I would move away from Wayzata.
White Bear Is Nice

I've heard that the "cronyism" on the WBL board is about as bad as it gets.

If you think that is bad you should see what we had to endure
with Hastings last year. You are not alone it happens just about
everywhere...