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Govs93 wrote:- Disagree? You disdain managemet
- Thankless job? Anybody can do it.

That's good stuff Govs! You one of them??

Can't Never Tried wrote:

Govs93 wrote:- Disagree? You disdain managemet
- Thankless job? Anybody can do it.

That's good stuff Govs! You one of them??

I'm in a thankless management job... read into that what you will.

I stepped out for awhile but see that you people have kept yourselves busy.....so heres your answer pakerboy....Where I work the people that get paid the most either work on commissions or billable hours. the lowest paid are the interns and the file clerks. I think the files clerks start out around $12.00 an hour and can go progressively up from there depending on how much responsability they are willing to take on. I have never fired a file clerk but we rarely have one that stays a file clerk for more than a couple years, either they move up or move on. I can't say how much my secretary and para legals get paid but they make upwords of $65,000 per year and have nice benifit packages and they are given bonus' dependant on how much work they have done on particular cases so there can be a wide range in the compensation packages. Our people get paid this not because of how many years they have worked for us but because they can bring in twice what we pay them(many times more than that).

The university decided, just as I have what Value there employees bring to the organization and they place a dollar figure on it. If the workers don't like it they can find something else or go on an ill advised strike. They are not getting much sympathy from the public (or me) when I see Ford laying off workers, 3M Laying off, Northwest workers taking paycuts, Mortgage lenders laying off. all these people losing there jobs pocess the same skill set required to fill the positions of the striking workers at the U.

Can't Never Tried wrote:
Not to go off topic but anyone else notice the Bored is a bit crabby this week???

Prepping for slappy...

I've enjoyed lurking this thread. Yin (hockeygod) meets yang (Lee).

We have balance in the world...

Neutron 14 wrote:

Can't Never Tried wrote:
Not to go off topic but anyone else notice the Bored is a bit crabby this week???

Prepping for slappy...

I've enjoyed lurking this thread. Yin (hockeygod) meets yang (Lee).

We have balance in the world...

Barring a suitable answer to the question I posed, Yang bans yin. Now that may not be balance, but I call it justice ala "the meek shall inherit the Bored". And in the words of slappy, ain't a thing can be done about it. Other than whine to Mitch. Good luck.

I'm trying to get in mid-season admin form before the season this year.

Lee

east hockey wrote:

Neutron 14 wrote:

Can't Never Tried wrote:
Not to go off topic but anyone else notice the Bored is a bit crabby this week???

Prepping for slappy...

I've enjoyed lurking this thread. Yin (hockeygod) meets yang (Lee).

We have balance in the world...

Barring a suitable answer to the question I posed, Yang bans yin. Now that may not be balance, but I call it justice ala "the meek shall inherit the Bored". And in the words of slappy, ain't a thing can be done about it. Other than whine to Mitch. Good luck.

I'm trying to get in mid-season admin form before the season this year.

Lee

It seems I have a fighting chance to get the last word in now

Now if you can just do that to HoFam'r Lee..
I should lure him in so he can piss Lee off too! Purrrrrfect!!! ahhhhh naw!
He'd be as bad as Bong..been pretty nice lately huh!!

ChrisK wrote:Just pulling this out of the Twins thread, at this point it looks like the University of Minnesota AFSCME employees will be going out on strike on Wednesday. As an AFSCME worker at the U it's not something we want to do, but unless we get a better offer we have to make a stand.

So, Elliott. This was the thread starter and you are trying to tell me that ChrisK himself does not invite opinions into the discussion on this issue with that statement? I guess I fail to see your logic that this thread was started as a ChrisK support thread. Do most of think he adds to many of the threads on this board - most certainly so. However, does that mean we support he and his union brothers stand on this issue - not even close.

Perhaps Chris could enlighten all of us with his info on this topic. From what I have read, the U has offered a 2.5% annual increase to health care workers and 2.25% to all others. This is IN ADDITION to annual step increases that, from what I understand, are already in the contract that call for 2% increase annually. I'm not sure what the rest of you receive for increases annually, but 4.25 - 4.5% is not what I would consider paltry, in particular when there is no real performance data to measure these employees on. Further, as I stated before, the average worker has already lost about $680 in wages since the strike started and it appears what they were fighting to achieve was an increase of $350 per year, so where is the sense in this battle? Again, I would like to hear Mr. K's take on this.

Nice to have a place to express this free dialogue - free, it appears, as long as you agree with the powers that be.

AY

Govs93 wrote:

Can't Never Tried wrote:

Govs93 wrote:- Disagree? You disdain managemet
- Thankless job? Anybody can do it.

That's good stuff Govs! You one of them??

I'm in a thankless management job... read into that what you will.

Look at the bright side you won't have to do it for long....those jobs never last

AngusYoung wrote:

ChrisK wrote:Just pulling this out of the Twins thread, at this point it looks like the University of Minnesota AFSCME employees will be going out on strike on Wednesday. As an AFSCME worker at the U it's not something we want to do, but unless we get a better offer we have to make a stand.

So, Elliott. This was the thread starter and you are trying to tell me that ChrisK himself does not invite opinions into the discussion on this issue with that statement? I guess I fail to see your logic that this thread was started as a ChrisK support thread. Do most of think he adds to many of the threads on this board - most certainly so. However, does that mean we support he and his union brothers stand on this issue - not even close.

Perhaps Chris could enlighten all of us with his info on this topic. From what I have read, the U has offered a 2.5% annual increase to health care workers and 2.25% to all others. This is IN ADDITION to annual step increases that, from what I understand, are already in the contract that call for 2% increase annually. I'm not sure what the rest of you receive for increases annually, but 4.25 - 4.5% is not what I would consider paltry, in particular when there is no real performance data to measure these employees on. Further, as I stated before, the average worker has already lost about $680 in wages since the strike started and it appears what they were fighting to achieve was an increase of $350 per year, so where is the sense in this battle? Again, I would like to hear Mr. K's take on this.

Nice to have a place to express this free dialogue - free, it appears, as long as you agree with the powers that be.

AY

There is a huge difference between disagreement and the type of approach Hockeygodless took, and it's a difference which you may not see. He stepped over the line from discussion to personal attack and I should have dealt with it "scorched earth" style as soon as it happened. This topic carried that risk from the start. I'm not convinced the topic shouldn't be locked.

We should unionize this bored!

Well hockeygod , thats only half of it. What are the people at the U making that are doing the same thing?

Thats right BIAFP, power to the people; unionize everything. Down with the fat cats. And AY told me you weren't a liberal.

To be fair here, Lee, when Chris started this on the other thread, he was encouraged to create this new one. I don't think anybody had a doubt about it becoming acrimonious from the get-go... these are personal issues for a lot of people.

Granted, I personally don't care for a lot of the "smugness" I'm seeing either, and if personal attacks are being made that's a different level, but I'd have question the motive behind locking this up after encouraging it's creation - and I think you and I are on the same side of the debate here otherwise.

Govs93 wrote:

east hockey wrote: I'm not convinced the topic shouldn't be locked.

To be fair here, Lee, when Chris started this on the other thread, he was encouraged to create this new one. I don't think anybody had a doubt about it becoming acrimonious from the get-go... these are personal issues for a lot of people.

Granted, I personally don't care for a lot of the "smugness" I'm seeing either, and if personal attacks are being made that's a different level, but I'd have question the motive behind locking this up after encouraging it's creation - and I think you and I are on the same side of the debate here otherwise.

Point taken, but I was hopeful it'd stay on a higher level.

Then again, what the hell do I know... I'm just a lowly Eastsider!

I was bred an Eastsider, but in Duluth that's considered a good thing.

Lee

packerboy wrote:Well hockeygod , thats only half of it. What are the people at the U making that are doing the same thing?

Thats right BIAFP, power to the people; unionize everything. Down with the fat cats. And AY told me you weren't a liberal.

That would be a neat trick, I don't know who AY even is.

BIAFP wrote:

packerboy wrote:Well hockeygod , thats only half of it. What are the people at the U making that are doing the same thing?

Thats right BIAFP, power to the people; unionize everything. Down with the fat cats. And AY told me you weren't a liberal.

That would be a neat trick, I don't know who AY even is.

(cough)
(cough)

Lee

east hockey wrote:

BIAFP wrote:

packerboy wrote:Well hockeygod , thats only half of it. What are the people at the U making that are doing the same thing?

Thats right BIAFP, power to the people; unionize everything. Down with the fat cats. And AY told me you weren't a liberal.

That would be a neat trick, I don't know who AY even is.

(cough)
(cough)

Lee

My kids have the same cold!

AngusYoung wrote:

ChrisK wrote:Just pulling this out of the Twins thread, at this point it looks like the University of Minnesota AFSCME employees will be going out on strike on Wednesday. As an AFSCME worker at the U it's not something we want to do, but unless we get a better offer we have to make a stand.

So, Elliott. This was the thread starter and you are trying to tell me that ChrisK himself does not invite opinions into the discussion on this issue with that statement? I guess I fail to see your logic that this thread was started as a ChrisK support thread. Do most of think he adds to many of the threads on this board - most certainly so. However, does that mean we support he and his union brothers stand on this issue - not even close.

Perhaps Chris could enlighten all of us with his info on this topic. From what I have read, the U has offered a 2.5% annual increase to health care workers and 2.25% to all others. This is IN ADDITION to annual step increases that, from what I understand, are already in the contract that call for 2% increase annually. I'm not sure what the rest of you receive for increases annually, but 4.25 - 4.5% is not what I would consider paltry, in particular when there is no real performance data to measure these employees on. Further, as I stated before, the average worker has already lost about $680 in wages since the strike started and it appears what they were fighting to achieve was an increase of $350 per year, so where is the sense in this battle? Again, I would like to hear Mr. K's take on this.

Nice to have a place to express this free dialogue - free, it appears, as long as you agree with the powers that be.

AY

AY ...I Agree that freedom to voice your opinion is fine, but HG was being an arogant you know what.... 4.25% of 34K is what .69¢/hr geez that's a ton!
Lets see milk is up .47¢/gal, Gas is up .31¢/gal I don't think it's being exactly greedy what they're asking for.

There are probably some additional facts that would help us less informed posters add additional opinions, like what is the starting pay? and how long does it take to get to the top scale, etc. also benefits are huge....private sector health care ins. costs are enourmous so if that's paid tac on about 6k a year to that 34K.

Can't Never Tried wrote:
There are probably some additional facts that would help us less informed posters add additional opinions, like what is the starting pay? and how long does it take to get to the top scale, etc. also benefits are huge....private sector health care ins. costs are enourmous so if that's paid tac on about 6k a year to that 34K.

CNT- I can tell you that benefit costs are about 32% in addition to salary in the private sector. At least in my company of 1800+

Can't Never Tried wrote:

AngusYoung wrote:

ChrisK wrote:Just pulling this out of the Twins thread, at this point it looks like the University of Minnesota AFSCME employees will be going out on strike on Wednesday. As an AFSCME worker at the U it's not something we want to do, but unless we get a better offer we have to make a stand.

So, Elliott. This was the thread starter and you are trying to tell me that ChrisK himself does not invite opinions into the discussion on this issue with that statement? I guess I fail to see your logic that this thread was started as a ChrisK support thread. Do most of think he adds to many of the threads on this board - most certainly so. However, does that mean we support he and his union brothers stand on this issue - not even close.

Perhaps Chris could enlighten all of us with his info on this topic. From what I have read, the U has offered a 2.5% annual increase to health care workers and 2.25% to all others. This is IN ADDITION to annual step increases that, from what I understand, are already in the contract that call for 2% increase annually. I'm not sure what the rest of you receive for increases annually, but 4.25 - 4.5% is not what I would consider paltry, in particular when there is no real performance data to measure these employees on. Further, as I stated before, the average worker has already lost about $680 in wages since the strike started and it appears what they were fighting to achieve was an increase of $350 per year, so where is the sense in this battle? Again, I would like to hear Mr. K's take on this.

Nice to have a place to express this free dialogue - free, it appears, as long as you agree with the powers that be.

AY

AY ...I Agree that freedom to voice your opinion is fine, but HG was being an arogant you know what.... 4.25% of 34K is what .69¢/hr geez that's a ton!
Lets see milk is up .47¢/gal, Gas is up .31¢/gal I don't think it's being exactly greedy what they're asking for.

There are probably some additional facts that would help us less informed posters add additional opinions, like what is the starting pay? and how long does it take to get to the top scale, etc. also benefits are huge....private sector health care ins. costs are enourmous so if that's paid tac on about 6k a year to that 34K.

I'll dig out our contract book and weigh in tomorrow with what life is like in the public sector up here in Duluth. 4.25%? That's one part of the equation. If there are concessions in health care being demanded by management, it can eat that up and then some. If not, then 4.25% is about breaking even in light of higher CPI increases this year.

Lee

To be honest, I thought the whole discussion was on a high level until hockeygod was ripped for his opinions, all of which I have heard expressed before.

Get after him on his opinions. Dont refer to him by a different username and attribute his opinions to his profession.

I do not agree with what he says but defend to the death his right to say it. (I just made that up....well, first I heard that Voltaire said it and then I made it up.)

packerboy wrote:To be honest, I thought the whole discussion was on a high level until hockeygod was ripped for his opinions, all of which I have heard expressed before.

Get after him on his opinions. Dont refer to him by a different username and attribute his opinions to his profession.

I do not agree with what he says but defend to the death his right to say it. (I just made that up....well, first I heard that Voltaire said it and then I made it up.)

".lets send them down the same road as the air traffic controllers and replace them"

Suggesting that Chris and his cohorts be fired is on a high level? C'mon, Joe. It was on a high level until that "comment". And then he got worse.

Lee

Govs93 wrote: I don't think anybody had a doubt about it becoming acrimonious from the get-go...

Hey... how about a little love for the public school kid pulling a 5 syllable word out of the hat, huh?!?!?!

BIAFP wrote:

Can't Never Tried wrote:
There are probably some additional facts that would help us less informed posters add additional opinions, like what is the starting pay? and how long does it take to get to the top scale, etc. also benefits are huge....private sector health care ins. costs are enourmous so if that's paid tac on about 6k a year to that 34K.

CNT- I can tell you that benefit costs are about 32% in addition to salary in the private sector. At least in my company of 1800+

Ok, I know what it is in the private sector, maybe i'm missing it here but, if health, Dental, life, etc are fully compensated in the Public sector you would add that to the total compensation, or in our case you could only add 50% as the Employer only picks up 1/2...the 6K I mentioned above is the empoyee 1/2 only...so in the long and short of it if your getting 34K plus another 10K in fully funded benefits for clerical work I'd say that's not to bad...but once you have established your style of living based on your occupation you still need to get raises just to keep up with inflation and cost of living...it's not like tuition hasn't gone up, and there's more to a college then just the professors.

It is really pretty simple.........if you don't like your job, pay, benefits....Quit. If you are really worth more, it shouldn't be to difficult to find a better job. If not, shut up and get to work.

packerboy wrote: I do not agree with what he says but defend to the death his right to say it. (I just made that up....well, first I heard that Voltaire said it and then I made it up.)

Voltaire, is he not the father of electricity?????