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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:03 pm
by td577
Undercover Hockey Lover wrote:Your memory isn't right. They could have opted up at the split but chose not to. Neither here nor there though. This is a Warroad thread but people always seem to want to toss the "look at tiny Roseau and what they did and how proud everyone is of them for opting up". Most don't realize that Warroad is 500 to 600 people smaller than "The North Star City". Roseau's enrollment was slightly smaller this year but most times Warroad has a smaller enrollment. I believe the people from Warroad are all very proud of the Rams and what they accomplished this season. I know that things get intense around the times they play each other but I believe they pull for each other when they aren't playing each other. Kind of a sibling rivalry relationship - you take a jab at your brother whenever you have the chance but in the end they are still good buddies. Also, if you look at Roseau's schedule they played 13 A schools, 10 AA schools and 2 ND schools...Warroad's schedule consisted of 12 A schools, 9 AA schools and 4 ND schools. A pretty comparable schedule. I believe that people outside of Roseau County don't really understand the relationship these two communitites have. Question: Would Roseau's program be where it's at without a program like Warroad's only 22 miles down the road. My Answer: I believe that neither Warroad or Roseau would reach the heights they do without the intense competition they give each other from the time they are 10 years old until they graduate.
I don't recall buddying up with Warroad over anything, but if that is the way you see it, so be it. I do remember times with the few Warroad girls that had all their own teeth. Thanks for those memories.
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:02 am
by Undercover Hockey Lover
td577 wrote:I do remember times with the few Warroad girls that had all their own teeth. Thanks for those memories.
Pretty small statement from a pretty small guy.
Real gentlemen don't kiss and tell.
Don't you just love sibling rivalry.
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:21 pm
by Green and White Fan
My last post until next fall. Roseau did not opt up because they felt they couldn't beat Warroad. Warroad was never ever a part of the discussion that went with opting up. Roseau had a good group coming up and they wanted a chance to play and beat the big dogs, which they have done 7 times. Warroad can say all they want, but they don't have a big school trophy and never will. School enrollment size is about the same and has been for a number of years. If it makes Warroad people feel better to try and minimize Roseau's accomplishments, then more power to em. As the saying goes, those who can do(play AA), those who have never had success with the big dogs don't. Warroad people can not argue that! Have a fun summer, see you next fall. Green and White Fan from the home of the 2006-2007 AA Minnesota State High School Hockey Champions, signing out!
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:31 pm
by stickboy1956
Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:09 pm
by td577
What would it matter if Roseau was trying to get away from Warroad? Both teams got what they wanted, when they wanted it. Warroad finally got their state championships, albeit with the little schools, and Roseau got to add to their big school championships. Seems like a win-win for everyone. I suppose Warroad could really show them by opting up.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:46 am
by Undercover Hockey Lover
People like G & W, BIAFP, the TRF crowd and our new found friend td577 can say to the multitudes Warroad's never won the big one, true statement. But if you really wanted to get technical I' Falls and TRF have never won the big one and at least 4 of Roseau's weren't the big one. The "Big One" should and can be classified post-1974 when the privates were able to join the tourney field. No question the "Big One" since the split is the AA. Prior to that I believe you could classify the State tourney as an A tourney. Why....not every high school in the state was allowed to compete for the crown and I believe Crookston Cathedral, Duluth Catheral, H-M and the Blake School could have taken SOME of those titles. TRF could possibly be holding none, I' Falls may have 2 - 3 instead of 5 and the Rams may be minus a couple. Of course, it's all speculation and conjecture but the fact remains prior to '74 it wasn't a true State Tourney. That's the greatness of an opinion board everybodies got one.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:36 am
by td577
Undercover Hockey Lover wrote:People like G & W, BIAFP, the TRF crowd and our new found friend td577 can say to the multitudes Warroad's never won the big one, true statement. But if you really wanted to get technical I' Falls and TRF have never won the big one and at least 4 of Roseau's weren't the big one. The "Big One" should and can be classified post-1974 when the privates were able to join the tourney field. No question the "Big One" since the split is the AA. Prior to that I believe you could classify the State tourney as an A tourney. Why....not every high school in the state was allowed to compete for the crown and I believe Crookston Cathedral, Duluth Catheral, H-M and the Blake School could have taken SOME of those titles. TRF could possibly be holding none, I' Falls may have 2 - 3 instead of 5 and the Rams may be minus a couple. Of course, it's all speculation and conjecture but the fact remains prior to '74 it wasn't a true State Tourney. That's the greatness of an opinion board everybodies got one.
Ahh, the discrediting technique when a point from one side can't be made. Thanks for making mine. Then you attempt to discredit their championships as well. Nice strategy. If you want to count from 1974, I still think there is a vast difference between big school championships between the two towns. You suggested getting technical here and I thank you for it. I like the rhetoric about the little town that could. How about the one about the little town that should. My goodness, if you want to just count the ones where everybody competed in the same class for the same championship, Warroad still has none.
I truly believe there were a few years Warroad could have competed in AA and faired very well. The problem is they didn't. They made a choice and part of the consequences of that choice is they are playing in the smaller class with usually a considerably easier road to the hardware. Warroad has a nice little school program, but as long as they choose to play in the smaller class, their accomplishments will always be overshadowed by the other little school program with exponentially more success against better competition.
I fully expect you to turn the discussion about how A is at par with AA. Good luck.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 12:36 pm
by Undercover Hockey Lover
td577 wrote:Undercover Hockey Lover wrote:People like G & W, BIAFP, the TRF crowd and our new found friend td577 can say to the multitudes Warroad's never won the big one, true statement. The "Big One" should and can be classified post-1974 when the privates were able to join the tourney field. No question the "Big One" since the split is the AA.
Ahh, the discrediting technique when a point from one side can't be made. Thanks for making mine. Then you attempt to discredit their championships as well. Nice strategy. If you want to count from 1974, I still think there is a vast difference between big school championships between the two towns. You suggested getting technical here and I thank you for it. I like the rhetoric about the little town that could. How about the one about the little town that should. My goodness, if you want to just count the ones where everybody competed in the same class for the same championship, Warroad still has none.
I truly believe there were a few years Warroad could have competed in AA and faired very well. The problem is they didn't. They made a choice and part of the consequences of that choice is they are playing in the smaller class with usually a considerably easier road to the hardware. Warroad has a nice little school program, but as long as they choose to play in the smaller class, their accomplishments will always be overshadowed by the other little school program with exponentially more success against better competition.
I fully expect you to turn the discussion about how A is at par with AA. Good luck.
Didn't and won't.....read alittle closer next time. Here I'll even help you. There is that better.
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 1:58 pm
by Undercover Hockey Lover
Green and White Fan wrote:Warroad can say all they want, but they don't have a big school trophy and never will. If it makes Warroad people feel better to try and minimize Roseau's accomplishments, then more power to em.
Undercover Hockey Lover wrote:I believe the people from Warroad are all very proud of the Rams and what they accomplished this season.
Undercover Hockey Lover wrote:People like G & W, BIAFP, the TRF crowd and our new found friend td577 can say to the multitudes Warroad's never won the big one, true statement.
ROSEAU....Home of the PARANOID & SELF-RIGHTEOUS Champions of 2007. 
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:02 pm
by Puckguy19
Green and White Fan wrote:My last post until next fall. Roseau did not opt up because they felt they couldn't beat Warroad. Warroad was never ever a part of the discussion that went with opting up. Roseau had a good group coming up and they wanted a chance to play and beat the big dogs, which they have done 7 times. Warroad can say all they want, but they don't have a big school trophy and never will. School enrollment size is about the same and has been for a number of years. If it makes Warroad people feel better to try and minimize Roseau's accomplishments, then more power to em. As the saying goes, those who can do(play AA), those who have never had success with the big dogs don't. Warroad people can not argue that! Have a fun summer, see you next fall. Green and White Fan from the home of the 2006-2007 AA Minnesota State High School Hockey Champions, signing out!
I think the saying is: "Those who can . . . do! Those who can't . . . teach!"
Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:10 pm
by td577
Undercover Hockey Lover wrote:td577 wrote:Undercover Hockey Lover wrote:People like G & W, BIAFP, the TRF crowd and our new found friend td577 can say to the multitudes Warroad's never won the big one, true statement. The "Big One" should and can be classified post-1974 when the privates were able to join the tourney field. No question the "Big One" since the split is the AA.
Ahh, the discrediting technique when a point from one side can't be made. Thanks for making mine. Then you attempt to discredit their championships as well. Nice strategy. If you want to count from 1974, I still think there is a vast difference between big school championships between the two towns. You suggested getting technical here and I thank you for it. I like the rhetoric about the little town that could. How about the one about the little town that should. My goodness, if you want to just count the ones where everybody competed in the same class for the same championship, Warroad still has none.
I truly believe there were a few years Warroad could have competed in AA and faired very well. The problem is they didn't. They made a choice and part of the consequences of that choice is they are playing in the smaller class with usually a considerably easier road to the hardware. Warroad has a nice little school program, but as long as they choose to play in the smaller class, their accomplishments will always be overshadowed by the other little school program with exponentially more success against better competition.
I fully expect you to turn the discussion about how A is at par with AA. Good luck.
Didn't and won't.....read alittle closer next time. Here I'll even help you. There is that better.
It was most fun watching you say it again.
Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:05 am
by Undercover Hockey Lover
No problem....have no qualms about keeping it real and honest. You want to hear it again.
Warroad's never won the big one probably never will and the AA is King.
Roseau County....Home of the 2007 and 2008 Section 8A & 8AA Champions.
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:57 pm
by mrhockey08
Warroad will not move to 8AA. the whole reason Roseau is in AA so that they wouldnt have to face Warroad in sections.And as good as Roseau is now it wouldnt be a popular decison or a smart one.
Re: Warroad
Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:52 am
by theref
mn4hockey wrote:For anyone's info, warroad has a population of about 1700, Roseau's is about 2500. If you look at Roso's programs they have a lot of numbers. Their programs is thriving right now. Warroads on the other hand is not. I think you'll find that most of the players that were on state championship teams, from warroad, would wish that they were AA so they at least would've had a shot at winning the bigger tournament. Something to remember is that a championship is a championship, and it's still a pretty big accomplishment.
Funny how Warroad finds a way to be competitive every year at the high school level with such a weak youth program year in and year out. I didn't realize that there were that many openings at Marvin Windows each season.
Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:10 pm
by elliott70
Green and White Fan wrote:Warroad's 10 through 12 enrollment was larger than Roseau's this year. Warroad also does not have a high school wrestling team, so in actuality, they have more kids to pick from than Roseau.
The real measuring tool is the size of theyouth hockey program.
In terms of total numbers and % of student body.
Roseau out does Warroad in that department.
Roseau is next to Bemidji in size in youth hockey numbers, but first in D16 in % of #'s. Probably the highest or close to that in the state.
Also, Warroad is a hockey town - support etc....
But Roseau is THE hockey town in support.
The question of Warroad goind to AA
It is their decision. From the outside - why????
Who were teh top 5 teams in MN last year?
Roseau #1, dollowed by ???
say Edina, but Grand Rapids has to be rated high, but Hermantown would be third in my book and Duluth Marshall would have to be considered for a 5 spot.
AA bible-bangers cannot justify the AA thing.
As long as we have two classes arranged the way we do, the only difference is getting to the state tourney is a bit harder in AA and winning it is harder in AA.
Other than that the two classes play mixed schedules and mixed conferences.
Several Tuesday, Thursday or Saturday nights in the winter you find A schools beating AA. And, as it should be, there aer more tough AA schools than A, but there are a lot of stong single A and a lot of weak AA.
Get off the soap box and get on the co-mingling of AA/A state tourney box - or one class 16 team state tourney box.
Warroad
Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:19 pm
by oldram
Roseau didn't run away from Warroad by going to AA. Look in the record books and count the Section 8 championships for Roseau as compared to Warroad when there was only one class. Warroad went to state a few times through the years, but most years were through "the back door." They didn't win Section 8 they won Section 3 which was a door prize.
1/3 to 1/2 of the kids playing for Roseau didn't play youth hockey there? Warroad ought to cut those State Championship trophies from the 90's in half and send the other half to TRF in exchange for the Martell brothers and Wyatt Smith.
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:02 am
by SB24
roseau might be "the hockey town" if we are just talking about high school hockey but if' we are talking about all things hockey warroad is "the hockey town" sorry
get real
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:54 am
by CarGuy
I am not from up north, yet I am a huge Roseau fan....As for people calling Warroad pussies for not playing in AA...get real...and how ignorant could you be...ever been to that town? and how dinky it is.....they might be a hockey town, but there is only so much you can do with a town of 2300 people...i for one look forward to seeing them play in the state tourney and being competitive, god knows southern class A hockey is horrible.
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:25 am
by OGEE OGELTHORPE
SB24 wrote:roseau might be "the hockey town" if we are just talking about high school hockey but if' we are talking about all things hockey warroad is "the hockey town" sorry
I thought Detroit was named Hockeytown?
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:07 pm
by SB24
Yea that started in 1996 I think waorrad had it first.
Do you really think hockey town usa is in Michigan?
So i guess pick your poison buddy it aint you.
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:46 pm
by OGEE OGELTHORPE
You got me on that one, so I guess I will pick arsenic for my poison. Thanks for the Geography lesson I did'nt realize Detroit was in Michigan, although I did go to school in Warroad so hopefully you can forgive my stupidity.
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:57 pm
by carpenterguy
Warroad will never be considered a top program because they have had almost all of their success in class A.
Roseau, Edina, I. Falls, and Jefferson are teams that have cemented their legacy.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:08 am
by SB24
wether you like it or not warroad is considered a top program.maybe not to you or a few others on this board, but to most of the hockey world they are.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:02 am
by carpenterguy
SB24 wrote:wether you like it or not warroad is considered a top program.maybe not to you or a few others on this board, but to most of the hockey world they are.
A top Class A program but nothing else. The proof is in the pudding!
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:16 am
by Art=BAD_ICE
[/quote]wether you like it or not warroad is considered a top program.maybe not to you or a few others on this board, but to most of the hockey world they are. [quote]
Oh my Lord, someone please write down the date, for once in history i must agree with my pal SB, Warroad IS, year in and year out considered a top program in this state, even though they don't play AA, they consistantly beat AA teams each year. :shock: Never thought the day would come![/quote]