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updated QRF

Duluth East (132.2) 5-1-1 18-2-3 5.5 2.0 Lost 1
No. 12 Andover (109.7) 6-3-0 16-5-0 4.5 2.0 Lost 1
No. 14 C-E-C (105.9) 3-2-1 16-6-1 4.6 2.6 Won 2
No. 17 Duluth Marshall (100.2) 3-3-0 14-7-2 4.1 2.0 Won 1
No. 18 Elk River/Zimmerman (96. 2-2-0 14-7-0 4.6 2.8 Lost 1
No. 27 Forest Lake (88.4) 3-3-0 11-9-1 2.5 2.5 Lost 1
No. 48 St. Francis (65.0) 2-2-0 11-10-0 4.1 3.3 Lost 1
No. 52 Grand Rapids (59.3) 1-5-0 5-16-1 1.6 4.4 Won 1
No. 69 Cambridge-Isanti (2

SpOilerfan wrote:

alcloseshaver wrote:Knivvsy, PM me and I can walk you through how the QRF works...

please explain this?

what are the scenarios with elks, marshal, jacks?

Looking at it, its going to come down to Marshall and Elk. They have the tiebraker Margin which sits at 5.2 and projected to finish at 6.3. So any teams with in that point range will go to tiebreaker. 1st tiebreaker is head to head. So with Andover and CEC in the TM right now Andover would stay 2 and CEC 3 b/c of head to head. If it ends up being only DM and Elk within the TM then since the did not play head to head it would go next to overall record %. Which looking at records and game left. DM can best finish 16-7-2 and best Elk can finish is 18-7. If that happens then Elk would get 4 and DM would be 5.

Usthockey13 wrote:

SpOilerfan wrote:

alcloseshaver wrote:Knivvsy, PM me and I can walk you through how the QRF works...

please explain this?

what are the scenarios with elks, marshal, jacks?

Looking at it, its going to come down to Marshall and Elk. They have the tiebraker Margin which sits at 5.2 and projected to finish at 6.3. So any teams with in that point range will go to tiebreaker. 1st tiebreaker is head to head. So with Andover and CEC in the TM right now Andover would stay 2 and CEC 3 b/c of head to head. If it ends up being only DM and Elk within the TM then since the did not play head to head it would go next to overall record %. Which looking at records and game left. DM can best finish 16-7-2 and best Elk can finish is 18-7. If that happens then Elk would get 4 and DM would be 5.

It could get even more complicated. CEC is possibly going to be within the tiebreak margin with DM. If so, that tiebreak will happen first, and then what you describe.

Traxler wrote:

Usthockey13 wrote:

SpOilerfan wrote: please explain this?

what are the scenarios with elks, marshal, jacks?

Looking at it, its going to come down to Marshall and Elk. They have the tiebraker Margin which sits at 5.2 and projected to finish at 6.3. So any teams with in that point range will go to tiebreaker. 1st tiebreaker is head to head. So with Andover and CEC in the TM right now Andover would stay 2 and CEC 3 b/c of head to head. If it ends up being only DM and Elk within the TM then since the did not play head to head it would go next to overall record %. Which looking at records and game left. DM can best finish 16-7-2 and best Elk can finish is 18-7. If that happens then Elk would get 4 and DM would be 5.

It could get even more complicated. CEC is possibly going to be within the tiebreak margin with DM. If so, that tiebreak will happen first, and then what you describe.

CEC beat DM so CEC is a head of DM no matter what

Let me ask this to my 7 AA friends, How do you think the coaches would vote if it was still done the old way?

WestMetro wrote:Let me ask this to my 7 AA friends, How do you think the coaches would vote if it was still done the old way?

I know how one coach would vote.

DE #1
ER #4
Flake #5
St. Fran #8
Camb #9

He would want nothing to do with GR, DM, CEC, or And until the finals.

Usthockey13 wrote:

Traxler wrote:

Usthockey13 wrote: Looking at it, its going to come down to Marshall and Elk. They have the tiebraker Margin which sits at 5.2 and projected to finish at 6.3. So any teams with in that point range will go to tiebreaker. 1st tiebreaker is head to head. So with Andover and CEC in the TM right now Andover would stay 2 and CEC 3 b/c of head to head. If it ends up being only DM and Elk within the TM then since the did not play head to head it would go next to overall record %. Which looking at records and game left. DM can best finish 16-7-2 and best Elk can finish is 18-7. If that happens then Elk would get 4 and DM would be 5.

It could get even more complicated. CEC is possibly going to be within the tiebreak margin with DM. If so, that tiebreak will happen first, and then what you describe.

CEC beat DM so CEC is a head of DM no matter what

Good point. However, if ER moves above DM after tiebreakers and is within the tiebreak margin of CEC, then overall record would be used to determine whonis the 3 seed between ER and CEC.

WestMetro wrote:Let me ask this to my 7 AA friends, How do you think the coaches would vote if it was still done the old way?

I don’t think the coaches voted for you they thought deserved the slot, but who they wanted the matchups to be striated.

Kniven , ok then how would that coach vote turn out this year?

WestMetro wrote:Kniven , ok then how would that coach vote turn out this year?

Smalls would have voted fair. A straight up guy who will play anyone anywhere!!! Look at what he has done this year!!

WestMetro wrote:Kniven , ok then how would that coach vote turn out this year?

I don’t have a clue. I’m just a huge fan. I just hope we beat Proctor on Saturday.

Barring any late surprises, it looks like using the roughly agreed upon old method would have produced pretty much the same results. The only change I'd foresee was between #7 and #8, and even that might not have happened. The teams with their in-section records:

1. Duluth East (5-1-1)
2. Andover (5-3) Beat CEC
3. Cloquet (3-2-1) Beat DM; East win and tie make up for Flake loss
4. Elk River (2-2)...giving them the nudge over DM since they have a win over Andover and DM's are all against lower ranked teams, but otherwise this is a toss-up for 4/5
5. Duluth Marshall (3-3)
6. Forest Lake (2-3) Interesting team with wins over Andover and CEC, but lost to DM and GR and destroyed by DE
7. Grand Rapids (1-5) Win over FL; probably gets the benefit of the doubt over the usual bottom feeders due to their schedule
8. St. Francis (2-1) Both wins over C-I
9. Cambridge (0-4)

Thanks and well reasoned Karl!

( although part of me still says that a win and a tie with the number one seed ought to get you the number two seed, no matter what )

Kniven, good luck with Proctor, beware of giant killers getting killed themselves!

Thanks West!

East-Cloquet will be East-Cloquet. From an objective standpoint, the two regular season games this year have been as good as it gets. This rivalry is back in full force.

Well said, KarlEast! I'm going to have the hiccups for a month after all the gasps of air I took at the game Monday night........

I was surprised Stillwater dominated Forest Lake 6-0 last nigh in Forest Lake. I think Grand Rapids is easily the 6th seed.

If Rapids wins their last 3 games they may gain enough points to move past St. Francis into the 7 seed. I doubt that would propel them past Forest Lake. However, since they beat Forest Lake, they only need to move within the tiebreak margin to move ahead of them when the seeds come out.

Traxler wrote:If Rapids wins their last 3 games they may gain enough points to move past St. Francis into the 7 seed. I doubt that would propel them past Forest Lake. However, since they beat Forest Lake, they only need to move within the tiebreak margin to move ahead of them when the seeds come out.

GR is a LONG SHOT to beat WBL unless Holum makes about 60 saves & even then, not likely. WBL is good this year.

hockey59 wrote:

Traxler wrote:If Rapids wins their last 3 games they may gain enough points to move past St. Francis into the 7 seed. I doubt that would propel them past Forest Lake. However, since they beat Forest Lake, they only need to move within the tiebreak margin to move ahead of them when the seeds come out.

GR is a LONG SHOT to beat WBL unless Holum makes about 60 saves & even then, not likely. WBL is good this year.

I agree. I will be surprised if GR wins another game. My post was in response to Kniven's comment that GR is easily the 6 seed. It's possible, but a longshot.

hockey59 wrote:

Traxler wrote:If Rapids wins their last 3 games they may gain enough points to move past St. Francis into the 7 seed. I doubt that would propel them past Forest Lake. However, since they beat Forest Lake, they only need to move within the tiebreak margin to move ahead of them when the seeds come out.

GR is a LONG SHOT to beat WBL unless Holum makes about 60 saves & even then, not likely. WBL is good this year.

I wouldn't be surprised to see GR pull off the upset against WBL. The Bears take a long bus ride up to Hibbing on Friday and after that game, have another long bus trip to GR where they play the THawks on Saturday afternoon.

BodyShots wrote:

hockey59 wrote:

Traxler wrote:If Rapids wins their last 3 games they may gain enough points to move past St. Francis into the 7 seed. I doubt that would propel them past Forest Lake. However, since they beat Forest Lake, they only need to move within the tiebreak margin to move ahead of them when the seeds come out.

GR is a LONG SHOT to beat WBL unless Holum makes about 60 saves & even then, not likely. WBL is good this year.

I wouldn't be surprised to see GR pull off the upset against WBL. The Bears take a long bus ride up to Hibbing on Friday and after that game, have another long bus trip to GR where they play the THawks on Saturday afternoon.

Hibbing to Grand Rapids is about 40 minutes.

It will be interesting to see if Marshall leapfrogs CEC with their win over Hill today.

kniven wrote:It will be interesting to see if Marshall leapfrogs CEC with their win over Hill today.

Even if they do CEC should still end up with 3 seed in the end if them n DM are within the tiebreaker..

Usthockey13 wrote:

kniven wrote:It will be interesting to see if Marshall leapfrogs CEC with their win over Hill today.

Even if they do CEC should still end up with 3 seed in the end if them n DM are within the tiebreaker..

If ER wins out they should get the 4 seed based on overall winning %. Marshall over Greenway won't help much.

alcloseshaver wrote:

Usthockey13 wrote:

kniven wrote:It will be interesting to see if Marshall leapfrogs CEC with their win over Hill today.

Even if they do CEC should still end up with 3 seed in the end if them n DM are within the tiebreaker..

If ER wins out they should get the 4 seed based on overall winning %. Marshall over Greenway won't help much.

Hoping ER gets the 4th seed so I can see DM road jersey at least one more time this season!