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Mite-dad wrote:I love both sports, but think about it, at an U11 baseball tournament, a kid can stand around in the outfield for hours and not get a play. Sometimes they play every other inning. Maybe the kid gets two at-bats during the game. The same kid gets a shift in hockey going full blast for 45 seconds to 1 1/2 minutes every 3 or 4 minutes. Same thing for parents. They get to see Johnny on the ice every 3-4 minutes as opposed to getting an at-bat every 30-45 minutes. It's easy to see why many prefer hockey in today's caffeinated society.

Mite-dad wrote:I love both sports, but think about it, at an U11 baseball tournament, a kid can stand around in the outfield for hours and not get a play. Sometimes they play every other inning. Maybe the kid gets two at-bats during the game. The same kid gets a shift in hockey going full blast for 45 seconds to 1 1/2 minutes every 3 or 4 minutes. Same thing for parents. They get to see Johnny on the ice every 3-4 minutes as opposed to getting an at-bat every 30-45 minutes. It's easy to see why many prefer hockey in today's caffeinated society.

Ugottobekiddingme wrote:Without confusing our friends from Wisconsin, replace Mauer with Robin Yount for a more complete answer. Actually I will take a stab at it and say Michael Jordon was the better athlete than all three. God I wish he played hockey....

Froggy Richards wrote:

JSR wrote:

Froggy Richards wrote:You're comparing hitting a moving, round ball that is roughly the same size as a round bat to hitting a golf ball, sitting motionless on a tee, with a huge, square club head. The best Baseball hitter in the world gets a hit 35% of the time. The best golfers hit greens in regulation 75-80% of the time, and most of them aren't even athletes. But I'm sure those 70 year old guys breaking Par at the Country Club could easily step in the box and hit a 95 mph cut fastball.

After reading that last comment I'm guessing you have some sort of agenda here so I think it's pretty pointless to debate further.

No agenda at all... I just disagree completely with your assessment. It tells me you lack knowledge regardign sports other than baseball. You clearly had an agenda trying to elevate basebaqll above the other sports you continue to do so here with the inane idea that hitting percentage and greens in regulation are some how comparable statistics.... though the fact you brought those into he debate lend tons of credibility to intigo's asseertion that baseball "is for the geeks in the stands working out statistics in their heads" ..... your calling bazeball players athletes but golfers are not, talk about comical..... Your analogy about a 70 year old country club guy breaking par and hitting a 95 mph fastball is beyond ridiculous considering the country club guy is not playing a professional course laid out the way it would be for a pro tourney, that 70 year old wouldn't come even remotely close to breaking par on a course like that but he might take a cut at that fastball........ see how easy it is to shoot down that type of nonsensical thinking.... my only agenda is to show you that your thought process is flawed, I don't really give a rip about any of this other than that.... it's great that you love baseball, if you love it then there is zero wrong with that and you explained why you love it (most of which had nothing to do with athletics) but just leave it at loving the sport, quit professing how complex and difficult it is when it simply is not.... let me put it anotehr way, if hitting a baseball is so hard, why do they have so many different types of pitches (sliders, curves, knuckle, fast ball etc...), I will tell you why, because the sinmple act of just hitting the ball is jsut that, it's simple, if all they threw were fastballs hitters would probably hit in the neighborhood of .850 instead of .350..... the only "skill" in baseball is being able to throw different pitches properly so as to keep a hitter guessing a bit, outside of that the rest is just not that tough

Hitting Percentage is a Volleyball Stat. In Baseball it's called Batting Average. Nobody who ever played organized Baseball would use that term, so you can quit pretending that you ever played. That's like me saying that Basketball is easy. My opinion would mean nothing since I never played it.

You said hitting a golf ball consistently and accurately is the hardest thing to do in sports. Greens in Regulation is the exact stat that measures that, just like Batting Average measures hitting success in baseball.

But since you don't like stats, how about a simple question instead? Joe Mauer is one of the best Baseball players in the world. Phil Mickelson is one of the best Golfers in the world. Who do you think is a better Athlete?

Froggy Richards wrote:

Ugottobekiddingme wrote:Without confusing our friends from Wisconsin, replace Mauer with Robin Yount for a more complete answer. Actually I will take a stab at it and say Michael Jordon was the better athlete than all three. God I wish he played hockey....

Love a good reference to the 80's Brew Crew. They were fun to watch, Molitor, Yount and Gantner.

Great point about Michael Jordan. One of the best Athletes of all time. And we all saw what happened when he tried to play Baseball. He couldn't hit. Not even in AA level Minor League Ball. He's a good golfer though.

JSR wrote:

Froggy Richards wrote:

JSR wrote: No agenda at all... I just disagree completely with your assessment. It tells me you lack knowledge regardign sports other than baseball. You clearly had an agenda trying to elevate basebaqll above the other sports you continue to do so here with the inane idea that hitting percentage and greens in regulation are some how comparable statistics.... though the fact you brought those into he debate lend tons of credibility to intigo's asseertion that baseball "is for the geeks in the stands working out statistics in their heads" ..... your calling bazeball players athletes but golfers are not, talk about comical..... Your analogy about a 70 year old country club guy breaking par and hitting a 95 mph fastball is beyond ridiculous considering the country club guy is not playing a professional course laid out the way it would be for a pro tourney, that 70 year old wouldn't come even remotely close to breaking par on a course like that but he might take a cut at that fastball........ see how easy it is to shoot down that type of nonsensical thinking.... my only agenda is to show you that your thought process is flawed, I don't really give a rip about any of this other than that.... it's great that you love baseball, if you love it then there is zero wrong with that and you explained why you love it (most of which had nothing to do with athletics) but just leave it at loving the sport, quit professing how complex and difficult it is when it simply is not.... let me put it anotehr way, if hitting a baseball is so hard, why do they have so many different types of pitches (sliders, curves, knuckle, fast ball etc...), I will tell you why, because the sinmple act of just hitting the ball is jsut that, it's simple, if all they threw were fastballs hitters would probably hit in the neighborhood of .850 instead of .350..... the only "skill" in baseball is being able to throw different pitches properly so as to keep a hitter guessing a bit, outside of that the rest is just not that tough

Hitting Percentage is a Volleyball Stat. In Baseball it's called Batting Average. Nobody who ever played organized Baseball would use that term, so you can quit pretending that you ever played. That's like me saying that Basketball is easy. My opinion would mean nothing since I never played it.

You said hitting a golf ball consistently and accurately is the hardest thing to do in sports. Greens in Regulation is the exact stat that measures that, just like Batting Average measures hitting success in baseball.

But since you don't like stats, how about a simple question instead? Joe Mauer is one of the best Baseball players in the world. Phil Mickelson is one of the best Golfers in the world. Who do you think is a better Athlete?

I love how people ont he internet think they know everything just because they site inane stats and think someone did or didn't play just because they used a certain vernacular in a message board...... for the record I played baseball from 2nd grade through 10th grade and I've coached little league (would you like to see the pics from my mom).....

Actually you could say fairways hit is a better measurement than greens in regulation of that particular statement. Greens in regulation is an overall encompassing stat that is an accumulation of many stats......

Mickelson is the better pure athlete (your question insinuates you think it's Mauer which shows how little you know of the athleticism of certain athletes).... oh and I'd take Mickelson as a better athlete over Yount as well..... here is a another one, who is the better athlete John Kruk or Tiger Woods...... obviously Tiger Woods....

JSR wrote:

Froggy Richards wrote:

JSR wrote: I love how people ont he internet think they know everything just because they site inane stats and think someone did or didn't play just because they used a certain vernacular in a message board...... for the record I played baseball from 2nd grade through 10th grade and I've coached little league (would you like to see the pics from my mom).....

Actually you could say fairways hit is a better measurement than greens in regulation of that particular statement. Greens in regulation is an overall encompassing stat that is an accumulation of many stats......

Mickelson is the better pure athlete (your question insinuates you think it's Mauer which shows how little you know of the athleticism of certain athletes).... oh and I'd take Mickelson as a better athlete over Yount as well..... here is a another one, who is the better athlete John Kruk or Tiger Woods...... obviously Tiger Woods....

Sure, just vernacular. I bet you call a Penalty Kill a "Negative Man Advantage" all the time too.

I don't think you're fooling anyone here. Stick to subjects you know something about. There is only so much time in a day.

You mean subjects like calling out morons who have moronic outdated takes on sports they know nothing about

SCBlueLiner wrote:I've never gotten a sunburn watching a hockey game.

InigoMontoya wrote:

SCBlueLiner wrote:I've never gotten a sunburn watching a hockey game.

Or bitten by a mosquito.

Huh... what debate were you following??? You were so thoroughly inhilated in this debate you fell back on "grammar police" tactics that only debate losers use.

DrGaf wrote:Pretty sure Froggy and JSR missed the point of this potentially light-hearted conversation ... perhaps you all could continue this in pm so we don't need to scroll an entire page of quote of a quote of a quote of a quote of a quote of a quote of a quote of a quote to see the basic premise of a "nuh-uh vs. uh-huh" literary battle.


One basic advantage of baseball over hockey is tossing peanut / sunflower shells on the ground. That is a basic fundamental human right at a baseball game.

JSR wrote:

Froggy Richards wrote:

JSR wrote:
Froggy Wins this Debate - JSR calling Phil a better athlete than Mauer is laughable.

SCBlueLiner wrote:That foul smell in the restroom at your local baseball field complex on a 90 degree day is hands down worse than any odor coming from a hockey locker room...and that's a tough stench to beat.

Froggy Richards wrote:

Huh... what debate were you following??? You were so thoroughly inhilated in this debate you fell back on "grammar police" tactics that only debate losers use.

Using a Baseball term that doesn't exist isn't bad grammar, it's lack of knowledge and experience. And I think you meant "annihilated".

stonehands wrote:

JSR wrote:

Froggy Richards wrote: Waaaaaaay beyond laughable.....

Tigers33 wrote:Comparing Phil to Mauer is probably choosing the wrong people. Didn't joe play high school baseball, basketball, and football. He was also named football player of the year, and had a scholarship offer to Florida state. There is zero chance Phil is the better athlete.

Now with that said I think a lot of people would have more respect for golfer's if the played and practiced as much as they do. Most of us play 18 holes and then look for a beer and a couch. PGA players will play 72 holes in one week, practice before and after ther rounds, and play practice rounds before the tournament. Then do it all over again the next week.

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