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BadgerBob82 wrote:Bo: Or the statement MN Hockey will get it wrong and set hockey back 10 years. This is not about AA-A, it's about common sense and logic.

Yes, I agree with you that it "set MN Hockey back 10 years".

I know quite a few kids in D10 that played in the new AA/A format and the parents said their "kids have lost all interest in playing Hockey".

Years, or youth playing careers?

I have not seen an official tally or release, but believe the vote is to change the region format.

YouthHockeyHub wrote:

silentbutdeadly3139 wrote:

YouthHockeyHub wrote:YHH has learned of a change to this year's Regional format. One that would affect 3-4 teams in each region.

http://youthhockeyhub.com/minnesota-hoc ... as-a-typo/

Enjoy,

TS

"Adjusted:

1. WBL (C1) vs. Minnetonka (A3)
2. Edina (A1) vs. Lakeville North (B3)
3. Lakeville South (B1) vs. Stilwater (C2)
4. Eden Prairie (A2) vs. Eastview (B2)

Commentary: Won’t be hearing many gripes from Edina or Apple Valley. Not sure Lakeville North likes how this “new” scenario plays out."

Why the apple valley reference ? guessing you meant Eastview ? "YHH caught this error when several readers brought it to our attention." and how did you catch an error that was pointed out by your readers ?

There are other examples that are confusing ... You may want to spend more time proof reading.

We are hiring a proof reader, please supply your resume via PM. The pay is off the charts high. Another good catch by one of our readers!

Eastview High School is in AV and the players who play for EV likely live there. It is not a city...it was a subtlety. Sorry you missed it.

Nice try. Apple Valley has a team so does Eastview. Thats not a subtlety. Kind of like documenting the wrong seed pairing such as this thread is reporting Just some constructive feedback but if your not interested then thats ok. Just thought you might be

[quote="BadgerBob82"]3rd place team should have the option of staying in East or moving to South. Or format should have been altered to combine both regions to send top 4 seeds to State.[/quote]


If Mn Hockey would ever allow a team to "choose" which region it wanted to go to, the only logical one would be to let the champion choose. Why on earth would we want to reward losing?

Best suggestion yet! I'd just say as it is not logical that #4 seeds will be the odds on favorite to advance to State.

BadgerBob82 wrote:Best suggestion yet! I'd just say as it is not logical that #4 seeds will be the odds on favorite to advance to State.

This suggestion was made, voted on, and passed by D6. It was later ripped by Freddy for being an arrogant proposal by Edina. Of course, why would MN Hockey want to make the 3rd place game meaningful?

Oh my god can we stop with this whinning yet.................

The rotation changes every year and next year it will be different.

Does any tournament ever get the best 8 teams or 4 such as NCAA? There's always complaining that so and so had the easy path or if we would have gone there we could have made it........oh March Madness in MN.

Who is the "all knowing" that says which district should be given the region choice for their tournament champion? This year in BAA and PWAA D6 is the cream of the crop (and usually is) so should they always get the choice?

What if LVS at PWAA was the best and they had the rotation where their regoin was the hardest would they then complain. What if it was say DE or Hermantown or EGF? When does it stop?

Do you think that this year the teams that make it to the South region are excited to have these others come to their region?

Yep, this whole AA/A fiasco was really given the proper vetting before it was implemented. Really thought this through and the trickle down effect it would have. Can't wait for the 3rd place game in D6, most likely between Tonka and Jefferson. Word out of Tonka is that they are going to let one of the 2nd year's German Shepherd play goal if they are in that game so the other goalies can rest. Should be great fun.

It is what it is... Coaches aren't going to throw games... What kind of lesson is that for kids? D6 is the best district and they IMO should have split them 2 and 2... 1 and 4 go to East and 2 and 3 go to South. You end up the 4th seed. You go to the harder region and get in via that region. Let's be real who knows who will honestly end up 4th.
Minnetonka has never beaten Edina... They are lucky to even be involved.
EP/tonka league games: tie and EP win
EP/Jags. Same. EP win and a tie.
Not sure how jags have done with tonka. Jags goaltender will be the difference in these games. He's the best left in the final four right now.

The AA South region thing was stupid by MN Hovkey.

But the FORMAT is an error with the District's #1 seed playing a #2 and the District's #2 playing a #3. That is just a silly error of logic.

badger: i think you really need to be careful in placing Mn Hockey and logic in the same post.

- the error on seed pairing in regionals has to be corrected now, cannot wait until next season.

- seeding allocation is a difficult one and unlikely to be changed. Every year is different. For example, if Rochester becomes the number 1 ranked team next year, maybe #4 seeds from D6 and D8 would not be this attractive.

snowpuck wrote:It is what it is... Coaches aren't going to throw games... What kind of lesson is that for kids? D6 is the best district and they IMO should have split them 2 and 2... 1 and 4 go to East and 2 and 3 go to South. You end up the 4th seed. You go to the harder region and get in via that region. Let's be real who knows who will honestly end up 4th.
Minnetonka has never beaten Edina... They are lucky to even be involved.
EP/tonka league games: tie and EP win
EP/Jags. Same. EP win and a tie.
Not sure how jags have done with tonka. Jags goaltender will be the difference in these games. He's the best left in the final four right now.

Tell that to the Bloomington Jefferson coach. EP 5 Jefferson 2. Backup goaltender plays, players who rarely saw the ice against Prior Lake were being double shifted. EP scored their first goal from the red line. It was somewhat surreal as there was no cheering on either side, weirdest district semi-final I've ever seen. I actually felt bad for the Jags players, they were basically told they can't compete. Solid life lesson coach you should be proud. Sad state of affairs after a signature win vs. Prior Lake. Minnesota Hockey wants it well we gets it! Courtesy of Bloomington Jefferson PWAA coaching staff.

edgeless2 wrote:

snowpuck wrote:It is what it is... Coaches aren't going to throw games... What kind of lesson is that for kids? D6 is the best district and they IMO should have split them 2 and 2... 1 and 4 go to East and 2 and 3 go to South. You end up the 4th seed. You go to the harder region and get in via that region. Let's be real who knows who will honestly end up 4th.
Minnetonka has never beaten Edina... They are lucky to even be involved.
EP/tonka league games: tie and EP win
EP/Jags. Same. EP win and a tie.
Not sure how jags have done with tonka. Jags goaltender will be the difference in these games. He's the best left in the final four right now.

Tell that to the Bloomington Jefferson coach. EP 5 Jefferson 2. Backup goaltender plays, players who rarely saw the ice against Prior Lake were being double shifted. EP scored their first goal from the red line. It was somewhat surreal as there was no cheering on either side, weirdest district semi-final I've ever seen. I actually felt bad for the Jags players, they were basically told they can't compete. Solid life lesson coach you should be proud. Sad state of affairs after a signature win vs. Prior Lake. Minnesota Hockey wants it well we gets it! Courtesy of Bloomington Jefferson PWAA coaching staff.

Jefferson better beats the loser of Edina/Tonka game now.

Someone needs to tape that game and post it.

I'm a Jefferson parent and am ashamed of what happened tonight. We played EP twice this year.

Game 1 was a fun early November game with EP winning 3-1. An empty net goal at the end. Both teams played great. EP converted exactly once more than us. We showed promise against a good team.

Game 2 was late January. Back and forth. Lead changes. Can't even remember but I think their big guy pumped one in to tie it on the power play to tie it, 3-3.

Tonight, with what should have been a berth in District finals against our biggest rival, our coaches decide to mail it in. The atmosphere tonight was beyond odd. It was so toxic that even the EP kids weren't excited when they scored. As one of our dads said, "this game has the intensity of a 3 on 3 game.."

I'm a Jefferson parent and am ashamed of what happened tonight. We played EP twice this year.

Game 1 was a fun early November game with EP winning 3-1. An empty net goal at the end. Both teams played great. EP converted exactly once more than us. We showed promise against a good team.

Game 2 was late January. Back and forth. Lead changes. Can't even remember but I think their big guy pumped one in to tie it on the power play to tie it, 3-3.

Tonight, with what should have been a berth in District finals against our biggest rival, our coaches decide to mail it in. The atmosphere tonight was beyond odd. It was so toxic that even the EP kids weren't excited when they scored. As one of our dads said, "this game has the intensity of a 3 on 3 game.."



This coming from a parent on that team is pathetic... If that coach had no issues sleeping last night then that team is in trouble!!! They had a shot to beat EP I could not believe after the first game which by the way was a real dud... Tonka and those elite move ins are really working out :/. I could NOT believe when the game started that the big starting goalie was not in net!!! He's been in net all year long... They played kids that barely touched the ice against Prior Lake. I guess the coach really needed to win that game to get his auto seed into regions. Now he wants to be the last seed going out of D6 to get away from EP and Edina and all the good company they will have in the East. The previous poster who wants someone to tape the game and they better beat tonka... Ha!!! They will have the back up trendy in and try for fourth. That game should be a real barn burner.. Who knows maybe tonka will take a lesson from the Jags play book from Thursday night. Its so cliche but I've been in youth hockey a long time this ranks up there with one of the saddest/ pathetic scenarios.
Two more things:
If Tonka loses to Jeff I'll know it is being thrown.
Karma::: Well we all know about Karma

Good luck to the Jags and Skippers: You are going to need it.
I'd be bent as a parent too... You just cost us extra money now with hotel, food and gas and oh can't forget that awesome lesson you taught those boys and girl!!!! Sad night in youth hockey.

Was only kidding when i posted that the Tonka kid's German Shepherd will be in net for the 3rd place game. Now, all bets are off. Wasn't at the Ep/Jeff game, but if what is being posted is even remotely accurate, the Jefferson coaches should be fired immediately and let a couple of dads coach the rest of the way. Pathetic to say the least. Shame on Mn Hockey for coming up with a system that could lead to something like this and shame on the Jefferson coaches for going through with it, if it was as bad as is being posted here.

The barn burner takes place in Chaska tonight.

So are you all saying Jefferson should play their #1 goalie and role basically 2 lines in that game and every game going forward? Not saying I agree or disagree - just trying to get a little more of the flavor.

I think what we are saying is why wouldn't you try to make it to the Championship game and beat a long time rival of yours?? Also, Jefferson has improved as well. I have seen EP play a few times this year in pretty big games and as well in Roseau, they are riding one goalie and I think a lot of people would have been suspicious if he was not in goal or the HC sat some of his top forwards.. it is common sense. I am not saying to roll 2 lines but you do not do a complete 360 to get a lower seed after you are in for Regions.. does this make sense now? It is called morals/ethics. You do not think those Jefferson kids knew? You do not think those kids wanted to get to the Championship game against Edina? You play the game of hockey or sports for that matter to try your hardest and the ultimate goal is to hopefully win..

snowpuck wrote:I think what we are saying is why wouldn't you try to make it to the Championship game and beat a long time rival of yours?? Also, Jefferson has improved as well. I have seen EP play a few times this year in pretty big games and as well in Roseau, they are riding one goalie and I think a lot of people would have been suspicious if he was not in goal or the HC sat some of his top forwards.. it is common sense. I am not saying to roll 2 lines but you do not do a complete 360 to get a lower seed after you are in for Regions.. does this make sense now? It is called morals/ethics. You do not think those Jefferson kids knew? You do not think those kids wanted to get to the Championship game against Edina? You play the game of hockey or sports for that matter to try your hardest and the ultimate goal is to hopefully win..

Settle down snow. Just asking a question and I don't think my tone was sarcastic. I have seen coaches often rotate the goalies when they have 2 rather than riding 1 (and personally I am all about riding the hot one at this point in the year). Also, perhaps the coaches took a beating from the 3rd line parents after the Prior Lake game? Maybe the coaches, but maybe influence of a board member parent or something dictated some of it. When I have seen the Jags this year (1 time) - thought they were one of the better coached teams out there.

Without being too critical to the staff...they did a nice job with these kids this year. Heck they made it regions out of a tough district, so they did something right. My son loves the game even more...so I am not going to savage them.

But, I can't say that I'm surprised. This coaching staff chose to play weaker tournaments and weaker non-district games/scrimmages. So to find a way to give themselves an easier way to State is no shock.

Leave it to D6 teams to create the "throwing the game" controversy....

On the other hand both D10 leaders Centennial and Elk River had chances to throw games to get in the 4 vs 3 seed game and both pulled out wins. Elks in Double OT vs Blaine get game winner to lock themselves in region with Wayzata. Centennial down by a goal in the 3rd period, scores 2 unanswered goals in 3rd including nice face off goal to put themselves in the West region as well.

MN Hockey created this monster. (Again the AA-A program is fine, but MN Hockey screwed this part of it up)

Coaches categorize games as MUST WIN and don't matter. The coach was right, this game didn't matter.

Due to MN Hockey screwing up the South regional, smart coaches will figure a way to get the best 4 teams from all of these Districts into State.