Cisar brothers

slyer · Post by **slyer** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:58 am

numbers alone just don't tell the story, you can't tell me that if they played at one of the top aa teams in the state they would have these numbers c'mon guys lets get real. they have talent, but i have to agree with duluth 4 they would be average on a top team

019 · Post by **019** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:52 pm

A kid has to be an above average player to put up stats like this. If you take a top player from one of the so called top teams, and put him alone in the same situation as the Cisar brothers, he would put up similar numbers. I doubt that he would produce more then the Cisar brothers.

Chalk_Talk · Post by **Chalk_Talk** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:32 pm

I believe there was a similar discussion when Joey Behnek (sp) was scoring all those goals a couple of years ago. He seems to be a good player with a committment to St Cloud. I have not seen these brothers play, but you have to be pretty good to put up the points they are. How good I don't know.

MHGr8ness · Post by **MHGr8ness** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:20 pm

It's important to remember that players will play how they need to play in order for their team to win. The Cisars need to put up large numbers for their team to win and as a result, they're not very strong defensively. It was the same as Benik. His only job was to score. St. Francis' breakout was dump the puck to Benik who was waiting at the other team's blueline and from there he would shoot WHENEVER he could. In most situations no team would set up this kind of playing style. Their numbers don't necessarily dictate how good of players they are, but it does provide evidence that they can score, even if it's partially aided by their teams' style of play.

Scoring isn't the only indicator of how good a player, or even a forward is. The Cisars current task is score. This is because of the talent, or lack thereof that surrounds them, and made possibly by their weak schedule. It's very possible that they could be strong, productive players on a very good team. Just because all they do is score now doesn't mean that's all that they can do.

stopper1 · Post by **stopper1** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:46 pm

I thought it was a nice article about a couple good hockey players that are having a nice year and contributing to their team. It doesn't matter who they play for or what their schedule is. There are kids that play on teams that aren't as strong as others who are making a positive impact in their respective programs and communities and deserve the recognition. I am willing to bet that a lot of people in that community will remember those two for a long time. I am also willing to bet that if you ask those same people who the best team in the state was or who won the state tournament the year the Cisar brothers were playing they will probably have no clue or have to think about it for awhile. I wish them good luck the rest of the year and hope they keep playing as hard as they can.

BlueLineSpecial · Post by **BlueLineSpecial** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:01 pm

Great debate, thought I would throw in my two-cents. A player I think of similar to this is Ben Hanowski. He was a scoring machine a couple of years ago for Little Falls. One could argue the same things with him: on a team that needs him to score, weak competition, etc..He ended up going to St. Cloud State and I think is having a pretty good year, and had two decent years before this one. Point is, I think the Cisar Bros' game could translate to other teams, and to the next level. How muc his yet to be known. Good luck to em!

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:25 pm

It's still a bit of an unfair comparison, as Hanowski, Benik, Festler, and Pohl all proved themselves against elite competition in things like the Select Camps, Elite Leagues, Model Camp, the State Tournament, and juniors. It wasn't a surprise at all that they were successful in college/juniors.

The Cisar's have yet to do that, but that's not to say they won't.

MHGr8ness · Post by **MHGr8ness** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:54 pm

As someone who has played against both the Cisars and Benik, I can tell you that they aren't as skilled. Those guys are a level above them, however, they're gifted scorers who deserve a shot at the next level. I would be interested in seeing how they do. My guess is they won't score crazy amounts, but won't appear out of their element at all.

Teak · Post by **Teak** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:43 am

dueling21 wrote:
DuluthMMA wrote:its kind of frustrating to see praise like this when its 2 good players on one of the weakest schedules in the state.. Not saying these guys arent good, but c'mon........

http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/news_article ... r_id=32760
You're upset about a news story on a player winning a game for his team? Cisar was quite clearly the story of that game. Minnesota high school hockey isn't just about games between the top-10 teams in the state...and some people do enjoy reading about the "weak" teams.

Good job dueling21! My sentiments exactly. Lots of us like to see young men representing their communities in the wonderful sport of ice hockey. Who gives a rip about the schedule?! They are at a small school that plays other small schools. Pretty simple idea, really.

Scouting Players · Post by **Scouting Players** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:57 pm

The Exiled One wrote:It's still a bit of an unfair comparison, as Hanowski, Benik, Festler, and Pohl all proved themselves against elite competition in things like the Select Camps, Elite Leagues, Model Camp, the State Tournament, and juniors. It wasn't a surprise at all that they were successful in college/juniors.

The Cisar's have yet to do that, but that's not to say they won't.

I believe i was watching the exposure tourney last year, and if i remember correctly Tyler cisar proved himself as the top scorer in the tourney.

Neuuman · Post by **Neuuman** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:52 pm

Sats81 wrote:
deacon64 wrote:
blacklung wrote:1. Seriously, what teams do you think MOOSE LAKE AREA should be playing? It may be weak for a top team but this is MOOSE LAKE area.

2. I have seen them play and they are good; very good actually. They played in the spring league in duluth were some of the top kids on the ice. I did not know who they were and they stood out immediately.

3. I think it is great that a good player/players can get noticed even if they are from a small rural program. Maybe more kids will stay with their home program instead of going to a private or another school that recruits. I am happy they are getting some press and think they deserve it.

4. I know you are not going to but you should go see them at the Proctor game. I think you would be suprised. They are very skilled.
Good points, these kids will be noticed. Compare with Nanne at Edina signed by gophers, lots of kids in the state better but not the name. A real head shaker. Grandpa Louie must hold some cards.
No doubt here. I think the Don will be shaking his head about this one in 4-5 yrs.

To be fair to "Don", all I've ever heard is that Nanne committed to the Gophers. Knowing that, and with his name, affording college (and NEEDING a scholarship) doesn't really seem to factor into the equation. It's possible he committed with NO scholarship offer. Based on Nanne's offensive output, one wouldn't think major D-1 colleges were beating down his door. IMHO

juniorhockey · Post by **juniorhockey** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:02 pm

For those of you wondering where they would stack up against better competition follow the link below for the stats of the xposure camp last year.

http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/page/show/29 ... ason=41923

DuluthMMA · Post by **DuluthMMA** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:32 pm

Teak wrote:
dueling21 wrote:
DuluthMMA wrote:its kind of frustrating to see praise like this when its 2 good players on one of the weakest schedules in the state.. Not saying these guys arent good, but c'mon........

http://www.mnhockeyhub.com/news_article ... r_id=32760
You're upset about a news story on a player winning a game for his team? Cisar was quite clearly the story of that game. Minnesota high school hockey isn't just about games between the top-10 teams in the state...and some people do enjoy reading about the "weak" teams.
Good job dueling21! My sentiments exactly. Lots of us like to see young men representing their communities in the wonderful sport of ice hockey. Who gives a rip about the schedule?! They are at a small school that plays other small schools. Pretty simple idea, really.

I agree with all you guys.. When I made this thread it wasnt to dog on him, but its misleading, that s all.. No doubt they are good, I just meant they are not putting up those numbers against top 10 teams.. Like mentioned before if they played for a top 10 school they would'nt have the kind of numbers they do now.. But I do agree they would be impressive to watch on a line together.. But As I saw in Proctor, it doesnt take much to shut them down , especially when you dont have much of a team behind you

trev2k1 · Post by **trev2k1** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:51 pm

The Associated Press 2011 All-State team for Minnesota boys hockey, as voted on by statewide media.

PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Kyle Rau, Eden Prairie

FIRST TEAM
F Kyle Rau, sr, Eden Prairie
F Garrett Hendrickson, sr, Virginia/Mountain Iron-Buhl
F Tony Cameranesi, sr, Wayzata
D Max Everson, sr, Edina
D Nick Seeler, sr, Eden Prairie
G Alex Lyon, sr, Lake of the Woods

SECOND TEAM
F Mike Dockry, sr, Burnsville
F Tyler Heinonen, sr, Delano
F Josh Archibald, sr, Brainerd
D Patrick Daly, sr, Benilde-St. Margaret's
D Rory Vesel, sr, Rochester Lourdes
G JoJo Jeanetta, sr, Duluth East

HONORABLE MENTION

FORWARD:

Conor Andrle, jr, Breck
Ben Bahe, sr, Hill-Murray
Nate Baker, sr, Detroit Lakes
Tony Barbaro, sr, Cretin-Derham Hall
Max Birkinbine, sr, White Bear Lake
Jonny Brodzinski, sr, Blaine
Eric Carlson, jr, Albert Lea
Bryant Christian, jr, Moorhead
Tyler Cisar, so, Moose Lake/Willow River
Zach Cisar, sr, Moose Lake/Willow RiverSam Coborn, jr, Park Rapids
Nick DeCenzo, sr, Hibbing/Chisholm
Landon Farrell, jr, Rochester Lourdes
Connor Fitzer, sr, Luverne
Steven Fogarty, sr, Edina
Andrew Frentz, sr, Mankato West
Alex Funk, so, Rochester Lourdes
Andrew Habel, sr, Chisago Lakes
Tyler Hansen, sr, Morris
Max Hazelton, sr, Bemidji
Steven Heller, sr, Bemidji
Wesley Iverson, jr, Breck
Mac Jansen, sr, White Bear Lake
Adam Johnson, so, Hibbing/Chisholm
Kaleb Juntunen, sr, New Ulm
Justin Kloos, jr, Lakeville South
Matt Kroska, sr, St. Thomas Academy
Joseph LaBate, sr, Holy Angels
Dylan Lambert, jr, Blaine
Zack Lawdermilt, jr, East Grand Forks
Mario Lucia, jr, Wayzata
Eric Mackey, sr, Rochester John Marshall
Alex Mason, jr, Detroit Lakes
Jack McFarlane, sr, Cloquet/Esko/Carlton
Will Merchant, jr, Eagan
Dillon McLain, jr, Delano
Mitch McLain, jr, Brainerd
Derek McMasters, sr, Rochester Mayo
A.J. Michaelson, jr, Apple Valley
Patrick Moore, sr, Grand Rapids
Nick Nielsen, sr, Bloomington Jefferson
Colin O'Brien, sr, Cretin-Derham Hall
Trevor Olson, jr, Duluth East
Grant Opperman, jr, Breck
Matt Pohlkamp, jr, Brainerd
Jake Randolph, jr, Duluth East
Ville Rantanen, sr, Mankato West
Micah Ranum, sr, Thief River Falls
A.J. Reid, sr, St. Thomas Academy
Ben Ruberg, sr, Two Harbors
Jason Samuelson, so, Rochester Lourdes
Thomas Schutt, sr, Minnetonka
Zach Schroeder, sr, St. Thomas Academy
Ryan Siiro, sr, Bloomington Jefferson
Nick Stoskopf, sr, Warroad
Garrett Skrbich, sr, Hermantown
Dom Toninato, jr, Duluth East
Brandon Wahlin, sr, White Bear Lake
Drew Weber, sr, Mankato West
Blake Winiecke, jr, Lakeville North
Michael Zajac, jr, Eagan

DEFENSE:

Tyler Tatro, jr, Bemidji
D.J. Jones, sr, Wayzata
Eddie Wittchow, sr, Burnsville
Jared Kolquist, jr, Hermantown
Scott Hennen, so, Alexandria
Bill Norman, sr, Rochester Mayo
Matt Audette, sr, Thief River Falls
Mark Bittner, sr, Crookston
Ryan Bullock, sr, Blake
Ryan Busch, sr, Roseville
Taylor Fleming, sr, St. Thomas Academy
Neil Goff, jr, Stillwater
Carson Gray, sr, Warroad
Jake Horton, jr, Benilde-St. Margaret's
Wes Judnick, sr, Virginia/Mountain Iron-Buhl
Terry Leabo, jr, Moorhead
Dan Molenaar, sr, Eden Prairie
Mike Pechovnink, jr, Hibbing/Chisholm
Brady Riesgraf, sr, Holy Family Catholic
Garrett Schmitz, jr, Red Lake Falls
Kevin Schulze, sr, Hill-Murray
Sam Wolfe, jr, Eagan

GOALIES:

Michael Bitzer, jr, Moorhead
Blake Burgau, sr, New Ulm
Blake Cates, jr, Stillwater
Ryan Coyne, sr, Maple Grove
Bodhi Engum, sr, Burnsville
Andrew Ford, sr, Eden Prairie
Jeremiah Graves, sr, Bemidj
Nick Heimer, sr, Rochester Lourdes
Charlie Lindgren, jr, Lakeville North
Connor Lucas, sr, Hermantown
Nick Malvin, jr, Blaine
Tim Shaughnessy, sr, Hill-Murray
Mike Stumpf, so, Little Falls

they get noticed around the state a bit

warriors41 · Post by **warriors41** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:02 pm

trev2k1 wrote:The Associated Press 2011 All-State team for Minnesota boys hockey, as voted on by statewide media.

HONORABLE MENTION

Tyler Cisar, so, Moose Lake/Willow River
Zach Cisar, sr, Moose Lake/Willow River

they get noticed around the state a bit

Alright I just figured out a way we can tell if they are for real or not. If you look at the list you see that the two brothers who were honorable mention were Tyler, who is listed as a sophomore on the list and is currently a junior, and Zack, who is listed as a senior and is not currently on the roster for Moose Lake.

Josh is the other Cisar that is putting up big numbers this year so unless there is a big typo all we would have to do is try to find out if Zach,whjo apparently graduated, is playing any hockey anywhere and if he is having success. That would give us some sort of baseline to know if their talent translates to the next level.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:38 pm

Rebels’ Josh Cisar leads state in scoring

http://www.pinejournal.com/event/articl ... up/Sports/

PuckU126 · Post by **PuckU126** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:49 pm

MNHockeyFan wrote:Rebels’ Josh Cisar leads state in scoring

http://www.pinejournal.com/event/articl ... up/Sports/

Strength of Schedule? Just wondering...

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:13 pm

PuckU126 wrote:Strength of Schedule? Just wondering...

Never seen them play, so can't comment other than you are right: their relatively soft schedule does give them the opportunity to rack up a lot of points. That said, you can't fault them for taking advantage of it - not everybody's doing it.

PuckU126 · Post by **PuckU126** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:15 pm

MNHockeyFan wrote:
PuckU126 wrote:Strength of Schedule? Just wondering...
Never seen them play, so can't comment other than you are right: their relatively soft schedule does give them the opportunity to rack up a lot of points. That said, you can't fault them for taking advantage of it - not everybody's doing it.

Agreed.

Scouting Players · Post by **Scouting Players** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:38 pm

warriors41 wrote:
trev2k1 wrote:The Associated Press 2011 All-State team for Minnesota boys hockey, as voted on by statewide media.

HONORABLE MENTION

Tyler Cisar, so, Moose Lake/Willow River
Zach Cisar, sr, Moose Lake/Willow River

they get noticed around the state a bit

Alright I just figured out a way we can tell if they are for real or not. If you look at the list you see that the two brothers who were honorable mention were Tyler, who is listed as a sophomore on the list and is currently a junior, and Zack, who is listed as a senior and is not currently on the roster for Moose Lake.

Josh is the other Cisar that is putting up big numbers this year so unless there is a big typo all we would have to do is try to find out if Zach,whjo apparently graduated, is playing any hockey anywhere and if he is having success. That would give us some sort of baseline to know if their talent translates to the next level.

I Think Zach Cisar is not playing anywere. and i know for a fact that he chose not too. But im thinking about going in playing junior this year. (; if any of you guys didnt catch that. you found zach cisar. haha

bardownhockey4 · Post by **bardownhockey4** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:24 pm

They may be good, but scoring against teams that aren't good doesn't help. You just have to wait and see tell he plays some good teams.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:05 pm

FYI, Josh Cisar has a chance to tie Joey Benik's regular season mark of 63 goals if he can score four against Two Harbors tonight. He scored two goals in their last meeting.

Snap Happy · Post by **Snap Happy** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:54 pm

We'll find out soon enough if these boys can produce against a higher end team. If they beat Mora in sections they advance to face Hermantown.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:44 pm

Snap Happy wrote:We'll find out soon enough if these boys can produce against a higher end team. If they beat Mora in sections they advance to face Hermantown.

Not sure if that will show anything. All the Hermantown team has to do is focus on a couple players.

If they get a couple points.. I'll call them amazing.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:38 am

The Exiled One wrote:FYI, Josh Cisar has a chance to tie Joey Benik's regular season mark of 63 goals if he can score four against Two Harbors tonight. He scored two goals in their last meeting.

Only a hattrick for Josh. 62 regular season goals though, not too shabby!

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