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)They got the score backwards. Rosemount won 7-0.SoftMitts wrote:Did Lakeville N really beat Rosemount 7 to 0? Or did they get the score backwards and Rosemount won?
Fred, No matter how the refs are doing, no need for parent involvement. They need to just sit and watch and enjoy. There is a reason these 40 year old refs are still reffing peewee games, there not that good. If the Rosemount parents think they could do any better they should take the test and if they pass, jump in. I noticed you sitting in the B,ville section last night any problem with their parents?frederick61 wrote:The Apple Valley/Marquette game ended in a 3-3 tie.
One interesting note about the Rosemount/Prior Lake game, the winning goal was scored with about two minutes left in the game. Prior Lake scored the goal just as coincidental Rosemount penalties ended. The Lakers had a 5 on 3 advantage.
The coincidental penalties were called late in the game. The first was the result of some contact between two players, the call going against Rosemount. The second however was called immediately after the first. A ref called the penalty against a few Rosemount fans in the stands who had been needling the refs with words like "keep it in your pocket".
After the ref made the first penalty call, he had heard enough. He skated over to the stands in front of the Rosemount fans and told them a penalty would be assessed, skated over to the Rosemount bench and got a player. The Rosemount fans said nothing after that.
I have never seen that happen personally in all the hockey games I have attended. I have seen refs throw fans out of the stands for being rowdy and abusive. So I am torn about the refs behavior.
I had sat next to the Rosemount fans the ref addressed all game. They were persistent in objections to the calls that went against their team, but not overly abusive (no swearing, no personal attacks on the refs, just things like keep it in your pocket). Am I missing something?
Some of the 40+ refs are doing the games because they aren't very good, others of us still really enjoy being involved in the game. It doesn't matter to me if I work a Squirt/U10 or a U14/Bantam, the teams will get my best effort. I do recognize that it is a job and my consumers (players, coaches, and fans) have a right to expect me to work hard. That doesn't mean I will always be right, none of us are. But it does mean I will skate to be in proper position to make the call.tjkhavgam wrote:Fred, No matter how the refs are doing, no need for parent involvement. They need to just sit and watch and enjoy. There is a reason these 40 year old refs are still reffing peewee games, there not that good. If the Rosemount parents think they could do any better they should take the test and if they pass, jump in. I noticed you sitting in the B,ville section last night any problem with their parents?frederick61 wrote:The Apple Valley/Marquette game ended in a 3-3 tie.
One interesting note about the Rosemount/Prior Lake game, the winning goal was scored with about two minutes left in the game. Prior Lake scored the goal just as coincidental Rosemount penalties ended. The Lakers had a 5 on 3 advantage.
The coincidental penalties were called late in the game. The first was the result of some contact between two players, the call going against Rosemount. The second however was called immediately after the first. A ref called the penalty against a few Rosemount fans in the stands who had been needling the refs with words like "keep it in your pocket".
After the ref made the first penalty call, he had heard enough. He skated over to the stands in front of the Rosemount fans and told them a penalty would be assessed, skated over to the Rosemount bench and got a player. The Rosemount fans said nothing after that.
I have never seen that happen personally in all the hockey games I have attended. I have seen refs throw fans out of the stands for being rowdy and abusive. So I am torn about the refs behavior.
I had sat next to the Rosemount fans the ref addressed all game. They were persistent in objections to the calls that went against their team, but not overly abusive (no swearing, no personal attacks on the refs, just things like keep it in your pocket). Am I missing something?
Incorrect: the rule states "1. Ask the coach(es) to control their spectators." The coach is not being asked to "do anything to control the fans"; he is being asked to "control" them. If he cannot control them - bench minor.woodley wrote:@Survey - This would allow the bench minor if the Coach did not cooperate with the ref's attempt to control the fans, not just the direct behavior of the fan.
So in the case cited by Frederick, the coach would have had to have refused to do anything to control the fans.
C'mon Inigo. . . keep reading the rule cited by Survey (which must be Minnhock as it is NOT USA which is the certifying body, couldn't find my MN guide book). . .InigoMontoya wrote:Incorrect: the rule states "1. Ask the coach(es) to control their spectators." The coach is not being asked to "do anything to control the fans"; he is being asked to "control" them. If he cannot control them - bench minor.woodley wrote:@Survey - This would allow the bench minor if the Coach did not cooperate with the ref's attempt to control the fans, not just the direct behavior of the fan.
So in the case cited by Frederick, the coach would have had to have refused to do anything to control the fans.
I've noticed a lot more adult-officiated games at lower levels. There used to be a pretty large chance you'd see a 14 year old kid reffing a squirt B, peewee C, or 10UB game. Very rarely are the youngsters out there any more; most often two adults reffing a 10UB game. Why is that? Do the old guys need the money? I know several peewee and bantam aged refs that have only reffed a game or two this year - and not of their own choosing.Some of the 40+ refs are doing the games because they aren't very good, others of us still really enjoy being involved in the game.
Absolutely agree w/ you. I always enjoy working with young refs at these levels. It seems to give balance and is a great way for these newer refs to get their feet wet. It's a shame if the young refs are not getting games.InigoMontoya wrote:I've noticed a lot more adult-officiated games at lower levels. There used to be a pretty large chance you'd see a 14 year old kid reffing a squirt B, peewee C, or 10UB game. Very rarely are the youngsters out there any more; most often two adults reffing a 10UB game. Why is that? Do the old guys need the money? I know several peewee and bantam aged refs that have only reffed a game or two this year - and not of their own choosing.Some of the 40+ refs are doing the games because they aren't very good, others of us still really enjoy being involved in the game.