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Gracious...??? You must be joking.

1. Chaska people are the ones coming on here talking smack about the EP fan(s) and the game...I didn't say a thing - until you guys started chirping - woke up and saw a bunch of crap talking on here

2. I have done no name calling so far - seems your the only one name- calling. Please refer to your last sentence.

3. Contact is part of Hockey. Some players get hit from time to time. Deal with just accept the fact the girls have contact like boys hockey ( a little bit)

4. Imagine if there ways NO contact allowed in Girls hockey at all - how bad would that be...

5. No one likes to see players get hurt.

6. Lets stay on Topic.

7. I hope your practising the "Chaska Hawks Wave" for Fridays game..

I was at the games at Bloomington and saw the EP vs. Chaska game. Very good game, hard fought, evenually matched, fast and sloppy at times, do mainly to the competitive match up and being close neighbors. The refs looked the other way early against Chaska and maybe later missed a hook that lead to a Chaska goal.

I know the Superstar and he likes stirring it up. I was not far away and did see him dancing and mocking their fans and saw the fans pointing back. As I always say be gracious (both sides) in winning and in losing. Edina will be a big hill for Chaska to climb and they will get the chance on Friday. Eagle nation will live on and I am sure the Superstar will be around to let us know. Leave the Superstar alone he is winning! Good luck to all remaining teams!

Finals with KRACH rankings and odds from:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC.htm
-or-
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20100218.htm



Yesterday:

Class AA - Section 3 Girls Hockey
Burnsville(3) 6, Rosemount(4) 1 F
KRACH had #18 Burnsville as a 2-to-1 (69/32-to-1) favorite over #30 Rosemount
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20100217.htm



Tonight:

Class A - Section 2 Girls Hockey
Hutchinson(3) vs. Willmar(1)
7:00 PM at Gustavus Adolphus
KRACH has #78 Willmar as a 1.5-to-1 (4/2.6-to-1) favorite over #87 Hutchinson


Class A - Section 5 Girls Hockey
Blake(2) vs. Breck(1)
7:30 PM at Parade Ice Gardens
KRACH has #8 Breck as a 2-to-1 (203/102-to-1) favorite over #12 Blake

Class A - Section 6 Girls Hockey
Alexandria(1) vs. Morris/Benson Area(2)
7:00 PM at Willmar
KRACH has #62 Morris/Benson Area as a 1.5-to-1 (12/8.5-to-1) favorite over #67 Alexandria

Class A - Section 8 Girls Hockey
East Grand Forks(3) vs. Warroad(1)
7:00 PM at Warroad
KRACH has #1 Warroad as a 34-to-1 (988/29-to-1) favorite over #34 East Grand Forks

Class AA - Section 7 Girls Hockey
Elk River/Zimmerman(1) vs. Proctor/Hermantown/Duluth Marshall(2)
7:00 PM at DECC
KRACH has #10 Elk River/Zimmerman as a 2.5-to-1 (164/66-to-1) favorite over #20 Proctor/Hermantown/Duluth Marshall



Tomorrow:

Class A - Section 1 Girls Hockey
Faribault(2) vs. Red Wing(1)
7:30 PM at Owatonna
KRACH has #45 Red Wing as a 1.8-to-1 (18/10-to-1) favorite over #65 Faribault

Class A - Section 3 Girls Hockey
Luverne(1) vs. New Ulm(2)
7:00 PM at Redwood Valley
KRACH has #110 New Ulm as a 1.3-to-1 (0.20/0.15-to-1) favorite over #111 Luverne

Class A - Section 4 Girls Hockey
South St. Paul(1) vs. Totino-Grace(2)
5:30 PM at St. Thomas Arena
KRACH has #26 South St. Paul as a 2.6-to-1 (39/15-to-1) favorite over #53 Totino-Grace

Class A - Section 7 Girls Hockey
Chisago Lakes Area(2) vs. Eveleth-Gilbert(1)
7:00 PM at Cloquet Ice Arena
KRACH has #48 Eveleth-Gilbert as a 3.5-to-1 (16/4.5-to-1) favorite over #75 Chisago Lakes Area

Class AA - Section 1 Girls Hockey
Lakeville North(2) vs. Lakeville South(1)
5:00 PM at Owatonna
KRACH has #16 Lakeville South as a 4.5-to-1 (94/21-to-1) favorite over #40 Lakeville North

Class AA - Section 2 Girls Hockey
Chaska(3) vs. Edina(1)
7:00 PM at Bloomington Ice Garden
KRACH has #5 Edina as a 33-to-1 (431/13-to-1) favorite over #60 Chaska

Class AA - Section 4 Girls Hockey
Hill-Murray(2) vs. Roseville(1)
8:00 PM at Aldrich Arena
KRACH has #2 Roseville as a 2.8-to-1 (609/218-to-1) favorite over #7 Hill-Murray

Class AA - Section 5 Girls Hockey
Centennial(2) vs. Irondale(1)
7:30 PM at State Fair Coliseum
KRACH has #4 Irondale as a 5.9-to-1 (447/76-to-1) favorite over #17 Centennial

Class AA - Section 6 Girls Hockey
Hopkins(2) vs. Minnetonka(1)
7:00 PM at Parade Ice Garden
KRACH has #3 Minnetonka as a 2.4-to-1 (474/195-to-1) favorite over #9 Hopkins

Class AA - Section 8 Girls Hockey
Bemidji(2) vs. Roseau(1)
7:00 PM at Neutral Site
KRACH has #6 Roseau as a 2.1-to-1 (222/104-to-1) favorite over #11 Bemidji

8AA Title game will be played at the neutral site of Thief River Falls.

GHS - Why would Chaska drop from #51 to #60 after the win on Tuesday?

Not a big deal, but I work with stats a lot and am curious.

What did the model see?

hckywtchr1 wrote:GHS - Why would Chaska drop from #51 to #60 after the win on Tuesday?

Not a big deal, but I work with stats a lot and am curious.

What did the model see?

It appears that Chaska actually moved up three spots (63 to 60) and EP dropped two (21 to 23) after the game on the 16th.

I'm looking at the "Overall" ranks here - not Class - from these two files:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20100216.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20100217.htm

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong files re: your question?

ghshockeyfan wrote:

hckywtchr1 wrote:GHS - Why would Chaska drop from #51 to #60 after the win on Tuesday?

Not a big deal, but I work with stats a lot and am curious.

What did the model see?

It appears that Chaska actually moved up three spots (63 to 60) and EP dropped two (21 to 23) after the game on the 16th.

I'm looking at the "Overall" ranks here - not Class - from these two files:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20100216.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20100217.htm

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong files re: your question?

I see the issue... Chaska was #51 in the Class AA Ranking back on the 16th... I think that the Class and Overall rankings were getting mixed up. See http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20100216.htm

This is easy to do as so many of the top teams are in Class AA now. In fact an "AVERAGE" fictitious team in the state would have a rating of 10.00000 in KRACH. For Class AA - 51 of 70 teams (73%) are "above average" (i.e. rating > 10.0000) whereas for Class A only 14 of 53 teams (26%) are "above average." What this means is that to be ranked #15-20 in Class A you only need to be an average team in the state (i.e. ranked in the top 65-to-75 teams overall in the state (123 teams total in state)).

Roseau 4 Bemidji 2

ghshockeyfan wrote:

ghshockeyfan wrote:

hckywtchr1 wrote:GHS - Why would Chaska drop from #51 to #60 after the win on Tuesday?

Not a big deal, but I work with stats a lot and am curious.

What did the model see?

It appears that Chaska actually moved up three spots (63 to 60) and EP dropped two (21 to 23) after the game on the 16th.

I'm looking at the "Overall" ranks here - not Class - from these two files:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20100216.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20100217.htm

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong files re: your question?

I see the issue... Chaska was #51 in the Class AA Ranking back on the 16th... I think that the Class and Overall rankings were getting mixed up. See http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20100216.htm

This is easy to do as so many of the top teams are in Class AA now. In fact an "AVERAGE" fictitious team in the state would have a rating of 10.00000 in KRACH. For Class AA - 51 of 70 teams (73%) are "above average" (i.e. rating > 10.0000) whereas for Class A only 14 of 53 teams (26%) are "above average." What this means is that to be ranked #15-20 in Class A you only need to be an average team in the state (i.e. ranked in the top 65-to-75 teams overall in the state (123 teams total in state)).

Any idea why the Classes aren't more equal in numbers?

hockeya1a wrote:

ghshockeyfan wrote:

ghshockeyfan wrote: It appears that Chaska actually moved up three spots (63 to 60) and EP dropped two (21 to 23) after the game on the 16th.

I'm looking at the "Overall" ranks here - not Class - from these two files:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20100216.htm
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_OA_20100217.htm

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong files re: your question?

I see the issue... Chaska was #51 in the Class AA Ranking back on the 16th... I think that the Class and Overall rankings were getting mixed up. See http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_AA_20100216.htm

This is easy to do as so many of the top teams are in Class AA now. In fact an "AVERAGE" fictitious team in the state would have a rating of 10.00000 in KRACH. For Class AA - 51 of 70 teams (73%) are "above average" (i.e. rating > 10.0000) whereas for Class A only 14 of 53 teams (26%) are "above average." What this means is that to be ranked #15-20 in Class A you only need to be an average team in the state (i.e. ranked in the top 65-to-75 teams overall in the state (123 teams total in state)).

Any idea why the Classes aren't more equal in numbers?

I assume it's due to A teams opting up to AA as Roseau did with success this year and as do many private teams like Hill Murray?, Holy Angels, Benilde, Cretin?, etc. I'm a little surprised that Blake & Breck haven't opted-up yet and similarly now with Roseau in AA will be interesting to see if Warroad considers doing the same? SSP opted-up for years as well but the admin there decided to not opt-up which wasn't entirely supported by the team.

It would be nice to see some of the weaker teams in AA have the ability to opt down to A but I guess then you'd be getting too close to a two tier scenario like the boys tried years ago before going to Classes...

Finals with KRACH rankings and odds from:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC.htm
-or-
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20100218.htm



Wed 17Feb2010:

Class AA - Section 3 Girls Hockey
Burnsville(3) 6, Rosemount(4) 1 F
KRACH had #18 Burnsville as a 2-to-1 (69/32-to-1) favorite over #30 Rosemount
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20100217.htm



Thur 18Feb2010:

Class A - Section 2 Girls Hockey
Hutchinson(3) 5 vs. Willmar(1) 1
7:00 PM at Gustavus Adolphus
KRACH had #78 Willmar as a 1.5-to-1 (4/2.6-to-1) favorite over #87 Hutchinson


Class A - Section 5 Girls Hockey
Blake(2) 1 vs. Breck(1) 3
7:30 PM at Parade Ice Gardens
KRACH had #8 Breck as a 2-to-1 (203/102-to-1) favorite over #12 Blake

Class A - Section 6 Girls Hockey
Alexandria(1) 3 vs. Morris/Benson Area(2) 1
7:00 PM at Willmar
KRACH had #62 Morris/Benson Area as a 1.5-to-1 (12/8.5-to-1) favorite over #67 Alexandria

Class A - Section 8 Girls Hockey
East Grand Forks(3) 0 vs. Warroad(1) 6
7:00 PM at Warroad
KRACH had #1 Warroad as a 34-to-1 (988/29-to-1) favorite over #34 East Grand Forks

Class AA - Section 7 Girls Hockey
Elk River/Zimmerman(1) 0 vs. Proctor/Hermantown/Duluth Marshall(2) 4
7:00 PM at DECC
KRACH had #10 Elk River/Zimmerman as a 2.5-to-1 (164/66-to-1) favorite over #20 Proctor/Hermantown/Duluth Marshall

Class AA - Section 8 Girls Hockey
Bemidji(2) 2 vs. Roseau(1) 4
7:00 PM at Neutral Site
KRACH had #6 Roseau as a 2.1-to-1 (222/104-to-1) favorite over #11 Bemidji



Fri 19Jan2010:

Class A - Section 1 Girls Hockey
Faribault(2) vs. Red Wing(1)
7:30 PM at Owatonna
KRACH has #45 Red Wing as a 1.8-to-1 (18/10-to-1) favorite over #65 Faribault

Class A - Section 3 Girls Hockey
Luverne(1) vs. New Ulm(2)
7:00 PM at Redwood Valley
KRACH has #110 New Ulm as a 1.3-to-1 (0.20/0.15-to-1) favorite over #111 Luverne

Class A - Section 4 Girls Hockey
South St. Paul(1) vs. Totino-Grace(2)
5:30 PM at St. Thomas Arena
KRACH has #26 South St. Paul as a 2.6-to-1 (39/15-to-1) favorite over #53 Totino-Grace

Class A - Section 7 Girls Hockey
Chisago Lakes Area(2) vs. Eveleth-Gilbert(1)
7:00 PM at Cloquet Ice Arena
KRACH has #48 Eveleth-Gilbert as a 3.5-to-1 (16/4.5-to-1) favorite over #75 Chisago Lakes Area

Class AA - Section 1 Girls Hockey
Lakeville North(2) vs. Lakeville South(1)
5:00 PM at Owatonna
KRACH has #16 Lakeville South as a 4.5-to-1 (94/21-to-1) favorite over #40 Lakeville North

Class AA - Section 2 Girls Hockey
Chaska(3) vs. Edina(1)
7:00 PM at Bloomington Ice Garden
KRACH has #5 Edina as a 33-to-1 (431/13-to-1) favorite over #60 Chaska

Class AA - Section 4 Girls Hockey
Hill-Murray(2) vs. Roseville(1)
8:00 PM at Aldrich Arena
KRACH has #2 Roseville as a 2.8-to-1 (609/218-to-1) favorite over #7 Hill-Murray

Class AA - Section 5 Girls Hockey
Centennial(2) vs. Irondale(1)
7:30 PM at State Fair Coliseum
KRACH has #4 Irondale as a 5.9-to-1 (447/76-to-1) favorite over #17 Centennial

Class AA - Section 6 Girls Hockey
Hopkins(2) vs. Minnetonka(1)
7:00 PM at Parade Ice Garden
KRACH has #3 Minnetonka as a 2.4-to-1 (474/195-to-1) favorite over #9 Hopkins

Here is looking at the CLASS AA RANKING KRACH POWER RANKING COMPARISON BY SECTION

1AA
#13 Lakeville South 21-5-1 88.400 vs. #2 Lakeville N. *corrected

2AA
#4 Edina 21-5-1 391.893 vs. #51 Chaska 11-15-0 10.698

3AA
#16 Burnsville 120-7-1 68.062

4AA Still the toughest?
#1 Roseville 24-2-1 564.387 vs. #6 Hill-Murray 22-5-0 188.266

5AA
#3 Irondale 25-2-0 408.749 vs. #15 Centennial 17-8-2 69.189

6AA
#2 Minnetonka 19-3-4 437.594 vs. #7 Hopkins 19-6-2 168.663
7AA
#17 Proctor/Hermantown/Duluth Marshall 18-6-2 65.187

8AA
#5 Roseau 22-5-0 199.997

joehockey wrote:Here is looking at the CLASS AA RANKING KRACH POWER RANKING COMPARISON BY SECTION

1AA
#13 Lakeville South 21-5-1 88.400 vs. #31 Farmington 18-7-1 24.787

2AA
#4 Edina 21-5-1 391.893 vs. #51 Chaska 11-15-0 10.698

3AA
#16 Burnsville 120-7-1 68.062

4AA Still the toughest?
#1 Roseville 24-2-1 564.387 vs. #6 Hill-Murray 22-5-0 188.266

5AA
#3 Irondale 25-2-0 408.749 vs. #15 Centennial 17-8-2 69.189

6AA
#2 Minnetonka 19-3-4 437.594 vs. #7 Hopkins 19-6-2 168.663
7AA
#17 Proctor/Hermantown/Duluth Marshall 18-6-2 65.187

8AA
#5 Roseau 22-5-0 199.997

Joe,

You need to correct the 1AA match up. Its Lakeville South vs Lakeville North (not Farmington).

3AA
#16 Burnsville 120-7-1 68.062


Nice season for the Blaze...

Congrats Roseau & PHM!
Look for South, Edina, Roseville, Tonka to win, with the Cougars winning in a slight upset...

Hopkins 1
Minnetonka 0

Shots were 40-17 in favor of Tonka.

We are all waiting for final scores!!!! Let's have them.
Roseville 4 HM 2
PHM 4 Elk River 0
Hopkins 1 Tonka 0
Roseau 4 Bemidji 2
Lakeville S ? Lakeville N ?
Irondale 4 Cent. 3 in OT
Chaska ? Edina?
burnsville 6 Rosmount 1

Roseville 4 HM 2
PHM 4 Elk River 0
Hopkins 1 Tonka 0
Roseau 4 Bemidji 2
Lakeville N 2 Lakeville S 0
Irondale 4 Cent. 3 OT
Edina 5 Chaska 0
burnsville 6 Rosmount 1

Finals with KRACH rankings and odds from:
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC.htm
-or-
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20100218.htm



Wed 17Feb2010:

Class AA - Section 3 Girls Hockey
Burnsville(3) 6, Rosemount(4) 1 F
KRACH had #18 Burnsville as a 2-to-1 (69/32-to-1) favorite over #30 Rosemount
http://www.bgoski.com/KRACH_SEC_20100217.htm



Thur 18Feb2010:

Class A - Section 2 Girls Hockey
Hutchinson(3) 5 vs. Willmar(1) 1
7:00 PM at Gustavus Adolphus
KRACH had #78 Willmar as a 1.5-to-1 (4/2.6-to-1) favorite over #87 Hutchinson


Class A - Section 5 Girls Hockey
Blake(2) 1 vs. Breck(1) 3
7:30 PM at Parade Ice Gardens
KRACH had #8 Breck as a 2-to-1 (203/102-to-1) favorite over #12 Blake

Class A - Section 6 Girls Hockey
Alexandria(1) 3 vs. Morris/Benson Area(2) 1
7:00 PM at Willmar
KRACH had #62 Morris/Benson Area as a 1.5-to-1 (12/8.5-to-1) favorite over #67 Alexandria

Class A - Section 8 Girls Hockey
East Grand Forks(3) 0 vs. Warroad(1) 6
7:00 PM at Warroad
KRACH had #1 Warroad as a 34-to-1 (988/29-to-1) favorite over #34 East Grand Forks

Class AA - Section 7 Girls Hockey
Elk River/Zimmerman(1) 0 vs. Proctor/Hermantown/Duluth Marshall(2) 4
7:00 PM at DECC
KRACH had #10 Elk River/Zimmerman as a 2.5-to-1 (164/66-to-1) favorite over #20 Proctor/Hermantown/Duluth Marshall

Class AA - Section 8 Girls Hockey
Bemidji(2) 2 vs. Roseau(1) 4
7:00 PM at Neutral Site
KRACH had #6 Roseau as a 2.1-to-1 (222/104-to-1) favorite over #11 Bemidji



Fri 19Jan2010:

Class A - Section 1 Girls Hockey
Faribault(2) 4 vs. Red Wing(1) 3
7:30 PM at Owatonna
KRACH has #45 Red Wing as a 1.8-to-1 (18/10-to-1) favorite over #65 Faribault

Class A - Section 3 Girls Hockey
Luverne(1) 1 vs. New Ulm(2) 5
7:00 PM at Redwood Valley
KRACH has #110 New Ulm as a 1.3-to-1 (0.20/0.15-to-1) favorite over #111 Luverne

Class A - Section 4 Girls Hockey
South St. Paul(1) 5 vs. Totino-Grace(2) 2
5:30 PM at St. Thomas Arena
KRACH has #26 South St. Paul as a 2.6-to-1 (39/15-to-1) favorite over #53 Totino-Grace

Class A - Section 7 Girls Hockey
Chisago Lakes Area(2) 10 vs. Eveleth-Gilbert(1) 1
7:00 PM at Cloquet Ice Arena
KRACH has #48 Eveleth-Gilbert as a 3.5-to-1 (16/4.5-to-1) favorite over #75 Chisago Lakes Area

Class AA - Section 1 Girls Hockey
Lakeville North(2) 2 vs. Lakeville South(1) 0
5:00 PM at Owatonna
KRACH has #16 Lakeville South as a 4.5-to-1 (94/21-to-1) favorite over #40 Lakeville North

Class AA - Section 2 Girls Hockey
Chaska(3) 0 vs. Edina(1) 5
7:00 PM at Bloomington Ice Garden
KRACH has #5 Edina as a 33-to-1 (431/13-to-1) favorite over #60 Chaska

Class AA - Section 4 Girls Hockey
Hill-Murray(2) 2 vs. Roseville(1) 4
8:00 PM at Aldrich Arena
KRACH has #2 Roseville as a 2.8-to-1 (609/218-to-1) favorite over #7 Hill-Murray

Class AA - Section 5 Girls Hockey
Centennial(2) 3 vs. Irondale(1) 4
7:30 PM at State Fair Coliseum
KRACH has #4 Irondale as a 5.9-to-1 (447/76-to-1) favorite over #17 Centennial

Class AA - Section 6 Girls Hockey
Hopkins(2) 1 vs. Minnetonka(1) 0
7:00 PM at Parade Ice Garden
KRACH has #3 Minnetonka as a 2.4-to-1 (474/195-to-1) favorite over #9 Hopkins

when do they set the rankings for the tournement?

As far as I know the coaches pick the top four teams today and the other four are randomly picked. My best guess based on power rankings:

Roseville #1
Irondale #2
Edina #3
Hopkins #4

JohnnyBuck wrote:As far as I know the coaches pick the top four teams today and the other four are randomly picked. My best guess based on power rankings:

Roseville #1
Irondale #2
Edina #3
Hopkins #4

I'll take a stab at it. I guess:

Roseville #1
Edina #2
Irondale #3
Roseau #4

1. roseville
2. Irondale
3. Roseau
4. Edina

I'll go with:

1. Roseville
2. Edina
3. Irondale
4. Hopkins

mnhockey3535 wrote:1. roseville
2. Irondale
3. Roseau
4. Edina

I like this one.

Roseville beat Hopkins 3-2, beat Edina 6-2, beat Irondale 8-3.
Edina lost to Roseau 1-2, lost to Roseville 2-6, beat Burnsville 4-2, lost to Irondale 2-3, beat Hopkins 3-2, 3-0, and 1-0.
Hopkins beat Burnsville 4-2, lost to Roseville 2-3, lost to Edina 2-3, 0-3, and 0-1.
Burnsville lost to Hopkins 2-4, beat Lakeville No 6-4 and 7-1, lost to Edina 2-4, tied PHM 2-2.
PHM lost to Irondale 1-4, tied Burnsville 2-2.
Irondale beat PHM 4-1, beat Edina 3-2, lost to Roseville 3-8.
Roseau beat Edina 2-1.
Lakeville No lost to Burnsville 4-6 and 1-7.