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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:21 pm
by hockey74
This situation is a very difficult one. I have seen teams run the score-up to benefit individuals (rewards)…not good! I have seen teams fold and never recover…players quit the sport at that time. You are right, no one ever wins! Whatever the situation might be, you as a coach have to sit down with your team at the beginning of the season. Talk about if this happens (expectations). Hopefully this will help.
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:31 pm
by StillAnEagle
Goldfishdude wrote:wingmaster wrote:Goldfishdude wrote:My belief is that the third period will be running time:
How I would approach this is such.
1) Work on your penalty kill.
Just inform your STAR players to start taking "holding" penalties. I don't want roughing, tripping, slashing or anything else that potentially could injure an opposing player.
This way, you can just keep icing the puck without penalty, run time off the clock, plus allows for game-time work on PK. Then, mix in a couple forwards that don't normally get PT, and give them a chance to work on skills.
2) Inform the goalie to cover the puck every chance to get a whistle, then do a line change. This will take 20 to 30 seconds off the running time clock..
3) On 5 x 5, dump the puck in the opposing zone from anywhere on the ice. Either it's an icing, which will take 20-30 seconds off clock, or, the opposing team gets to work on the breakout, and just work on forecheck, get the puck away, and dump back in the zone.
i would say keep pumping the vulcanized rubber in the back of the net, by the time the ref digs it out that would burn 20-30 seconds also. If it is meant to be, what goes around comes around. I would never stop scoring if possible, it is will be a life lesson for both.
Although this line is dang funny, what life lesson is learned? Kick a man when he's down? Bury the wretched?
A life lesson that involves any sort of negative impact is not really a life lesson that should be taught. I believe the MSHSL makes the players sign a contract about fair play and sportsmanship. The MSHSL strives to promote ethical behavior and good sportsmanship - it's among the first pages of the by-laws.
I guarantee you that if a coach acted in the manner I outlined, not only would the winning team fans salute the coach, but so would the opposing players and parents, and that GOOD deed would be talked about in a positive manner a lot quicker than a 16-0 score. If any player on my team had ANY issues whatsoever of playing in that manner or sportsmanship, they would be benched.
There are SO many guys on this forum that preach - what is more important? A team win or personal stats? 90% of us agree it's the win that counts.
If my team is up 10-0, I think it's pretty safe that 1) I will be able to preserve my win while 17:00 running time is wasted, and 2) If my plan is implemented, I don't think that bad habits will develop in the next 17:00 minutes.
I have been on the bad end of many lopsided traveling baseball scores in which the score is 10-0 and the opposing coach is still stealing bases in the 4th inning. I just make sure I say OUTLOUD so that every parent on both sides hears me... "Jimmy and Billy.. don't worry about throwing out the runner. Just get the batter. If he wants to steal with a 10-0 lead and that makes him feel better, let him!"
In all honesty man, saying "Jimmy and Billy.. don't worry about throwing out the runner. Just get the batter. If he wants to steal with a 10-0 lead and that makes him feel better, let him!" OUTLOUD so that every parent on both sides hear you - is just as unclassy as running up the score.
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:48 pm
by SPUDNUT
wingmaster wrote:Goldfishdude wrote:wingmaster wrote:
i would say keep pumping the vulcanized rubber in the back of the net, by the time the ref digs it out that would burn 20-30 seconds also. If it is meant to be, what goes around comes around. I would never stop scoring if possible, it is will be a life lesson for both.
Although this line is dang funny, what life lesson is learned? Kick a man when he's down? Bury the wretched?
A life lesson that involves any sort of negative impact is not really a life lesson that should be taught. I believe the MSHSL makes the players sign a contract about fair play and sportsmanship. The MSHSL strives to promote ethical behavior and good sportsmanship - it's among the first pages of the by-laws.
I guarantee you that if a coach acted in the manner I outlined, not only would the winning team fans salute the coach, but so would the opposing players and parents, and that GOOD deed would be talked about in a positive manner a lot quicker than a 16-0 score. If any player on my team had ANY issues whatsoever of playing in that manner or sportsmanship, they would be benched.
There are SO many guys on this forum that preach - what is more important? A team win or personal stats? 90% of us agree it's the win that counts.
If my team is up 10-0, I think it's pretty safe that 1) I will be able to preserve my win while 17:00 running time is wasted, and 2) If my plan is implemented, I don't think that bad habits will develop in the next 17:00 minutes.
I have been on the bad end of many lopsided traveling baseball scores in which the score is 10-0 and the opposing coach is still stealing bases in the 4th inning. I just make sure I say OUTLOUD so that every parent on both sides hears me... "Jimmy and Billy.. don't worry about throwing out the runner. Just get the batter. If he wants to steal with a 10-0 lead and that makes him feel better, let him!"
Maybe we should quit keeping score. that way no one would get there feelings hurt and everyone would feel good about their performance. Even though it sucked! And then when they apply for a job they won't understand why they didn't get it. People win and lose in sports, just like life!
EXACTLY !!!
Not everything in life (or sports) is positive. Today, too many people are concerned that someone might (God forbid) get their feelings hurt. That's why in State Tournaments now, nobody finishes in 5th Place - they win the "Consolation Trophy" - Huh ?
Re: Running up the score, how much is to much
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:39 pm
by defense
HockeyMania3 wrote:Where is the line for a ''classy'' team to stop trying to score? i recently witnessed a game where the coach kept putting out top players with a 10 goal lead, trying to rack up stats. Should this coach have put out 4th liners for the rest of the game?
A classy team should not run up the score on another team for the sake of running it up. Everyone knows what the game was about when the 10-0 score shows up...really no difference in 10-0 than 20-0.
Two ways to look at this as a coach of a team who is dominating to the tune of the above scores: Be classy, sportsmanship etc... regardless of anything else. or: I don't want my team to lose it's edge.
For the classy people: If you're in a game were you are likely to be in this position: Get yourself a comfortable 6 goal lead, then, there are all kinds of skills to work on in a game situation, no time like the present to work on puck control, passing etc. In the 3rd period, let all players have a point if you like, or give the regulars a break and give some experience to the younger players....untill they dominate, then refer to the above.
For the high speed go getters: There are all kinds of skills to hone in a game situation, make sure all players are working on their weeknesses. Not so pretty on the forecheck??? treat it like practice. Trouble with breakouts, no time like the present. This way your players can keep on going and they get better too.
And no, I don't think that it is right to run up the score so much that the game score gets put on the CNN ticker.
Re: Running up the score, how much is to much
Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:12 pm
by HShockeywatcher
defense wrote:HockeyMania3 wrote:Where is the line for a ''classy'' team to stop trying to score? i recently witnessed a game where the coach kept putting out top players with a 10 goal lead, trying to rack up stats. Should this coach have put out 4th liners for the rest of the game?
A classy team should not run up the score on another team for the sake of running it up. Everyone knows what the game was about when the 10-0 score shows up...really no difference in 10-0 than 20-0.
Two ways to look at this as a coach of a team who is dominating to the tune of the above scores: Be classy, sportsmanship etc... regardless of anything else. or: I don't want my team to lose it's edge.
For the classy people: If you're in a game were you are likely to be in this position: Get yourself a comfortable 6 goal lead, then, there are all kinds of skills to work on in a game situation, no time like the present to work on puck control, passing etc. In the 3rd period, let all players have a point if you like, or give the regulars a break and give some experience to the younger players....untill they dominate, then refer to the above.
For the high speed go getters: There are all kinds of skills to hone in a game situation, make sure all players are working on their weeknesses. Not so pretty on the forecheck??? treat it like practice. Trouble with breakouts, no time like the present. This way your players can keep on going and they get better too.
And no, I don't think that it is right to run up the score so much that the game score gets put on the CNN ticker.
Why is it a requirement that a game is where you work on these things? If it is an away game, I can guarantee you none of those players traveled that distance to "work on situations"; they're there to play a game.
Would it be unclassy for a team that's down to forfeit? I'm guessing most would say the answer is yes. If it is, then why is it unclassy to continue to play?
And in what games/situations is it uncalled for? Conference games? Schwan games? Section games? State games? Say some not very good 1AA team gets some lucky bounces and makes it to the state final, would it be unclassy for the other team to beat them 20-0? Or is that okay in that situation?
Just throwing out food for discussion
Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:36 pm
by defense
OK, then your studs can score 10 goals apiece. Eventually reducing the game to simple breakaways or maybe a pass or two. A lot will be accomplished by this after "traveling so far".
I would doubt if there is any coach out there who doesn't think his team should get better in each and every game, how does one improve by scoring 20 goals??? Obviously they proved that they can score goals.
PS
20-0, 16-0, heck 10-0 doesn't really sound a lot like a "game" does it????