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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:49 pm
by Goldy Gopher
summer wrote:Goldy Gopher wrote:Jbone wrote:Could someone please list every accomplishment that Leddy had his senior year. I'm having a tough time figuring out why his HIGH SCHOOL career is better then Ben Hanowski's. I don't care about where they both played, but as far as decorated players, nobody has more than Hano. right now.
A Mr. Hockey award? I think that and a state championship make him a little bit more decorated than Hanowski.
Good try though.
I always shake my head when folks try to compare stars from Huge AA schools who play in great conferences to those who play in small A schools against a weak conference. In my mind they are more alike than different. The only way we could really tell is to have them switch schools, and that wouldn't work either, because they would not have their support systems they have had in place their whole lives. In my mind, I would think the great player who plays on a team with other good players will have more success than that same player playing on a poor team. Teams in large school conferences all have about the same amount of "good" players, just as teams in small school conferences have about the same amount of "good" players, so I believe that's a wash. A player can only do so much, hockey is a team sport, I doubt Leddy could have done as well playing defense for Little Falls without Hanowski on the team, but I would have to believe Hanowski would have been just as good or better playing for Eden Prairie, even though they might not have won the state championship without Leddy playing defense!
If the question is who the more decorated player between Hanowski and Leddy...there is no question. The answer is Leddy.
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:24 pm
by The Exiled One
Goldy Gopher wrote:If the question is who the more decorated player between Hanowski and Leddy...there is no question. The answer is Leddy.
I'm not arguing the "All Time Great" question as posed in the title, but as far as "decorations"...
- 2008-2009 Associated Press Player of the Year
- 2008-2009 Pioneer Press Player of the Year
- 2008-2009 Associated Press All State First Team
- 2008-2009 Pioneer Press All State First Team
- 2009 Class A State All-Tournament Team
- 2007-2008 Pioneer Press All State Third Team
- 2008 Class A State All-Tournament Team
Those are just some of his awards... not to mention his ownership of no fewer than three different state records. I won't even argue the point that Leddy is more or less "decorated" than Hanowski, I just wanted to point out that there is (at the very least) a "question".
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:36 pm
by breakout
The Exiled One wrote:Goldy Gopher wrote:If the question is who the more decorated player between Hanowski and Leddy...there is no question. The answer is Leddy.
I'm not arguing the "All Time Great" question as posed in the title, but as far as "decorations"...
- 2008-2009 Associated Press Player of the Year
- 2008-2009 Pioneer Press Player of the Year
- 2008-2009 Associated Press All State First Team
- 2008-2009 Pioneer Press All State First Team
- 2009 Class A State All-Tournament Team
- 2007-2008 Pioneer Press All State Third Team
- 2008 Class A State All-Tournament Team
Those are just some of his awards... not to mention his ownership of no fewer than three different state records. I won't even argue the point that Leddy is more or less "decorated" than Hanowski, I just wanted to point out that there is (at the very least) a "question".
Yes, lots of awards.
One could argue that they play two different positions and that the paper lads likely didn't see either play much. Mr. Hockey, on the other hand is decided by Pro Scouts, College Coaches and High School Coaches. Pro Scouts and College Coaches saw both players play numerous times. One could argue about the soft A schedule that Little Falls had vs. the tough AA schedule Eden Prairie had, but I am trying to be kinder and gentler so I won't go there.
Frankly, I am rooting for both of them to go on and have tremendous college careers and hopefully both will wear an NHL sweater someday.
Now, back on subject.
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:44 pm
by breakout
Top players in any sport seem to find a way to get it done in the big games.
http://www.westerncollegehockeyblog.com ... -mr-hockey
My top three high school hockey players of all time, in no certain order:
Dave Spehar: not a great collegiate career, but no one can deny the show he put on in the state tournament.
Neal Broten: absolute pond hockey player that was amazing to watch. I couldn't wait to tune in to watch Neal, Aaron and Butsy Erickson play in the state tournament. I was very young at the time. But, you could see the connection those three had on the ice. Neal was obviously the leader and most skilled of those three at the time.
Phil Housley: he was so good that he played pro hockey right out of high school. Few, if any top that.
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:21 pm
by MNHockeyFan
breakout wrote:Phil Housley: he was so good that he played pro hockey right out of high school. Few, if any top that.
I believe Housley's been the only one. It would take some special kind of player to match what he was able to do.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:24 am
by Slap Shot
stitches wrote:Very nice high school carreer. No question on that. However, he has done NOTHING yet at college level, let alone the NHL.
I don't care where anyone would rank Leddy, but what is done after h.s. has nothing to do with where they rank
while they were in h.s.
summer wrote: Teams in large school conferences all have about the same amount of "good" players, just as teams in small school conferences have about the same amount of "good" players, so I believe that's a wash.
I don't think anything could be further from the truth. There is a reason that most A teams don't elect to play up in AA because except for a few exceptions, class A teams would not be able to compete day in and day out with AA teams. Why? Because the overall talent level is just not the same.
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:54 pm
by mghockey18
Leddy was by far the best player I played in HS, and still is the best player I have played against to this day. Ben is up there to as well.
Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:28 am
by MNHockeyFan
Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:19 pm
by scoreboard33
summer wrote:scoreboard33 wrote:summer wrote:
I always shake my head when folks try to compare stars from Huge AA schools who play in great conferences to those who play in small A schools against a weak conference. In my mind they are more alike than different. The only way we could really tell is to have them switch schools, and that wouldn't work either, because they would not have their support systems they have had in place their whole lives. In my mind, I would think the great player who plays on a team with other good players will have more success than that same player playing on a poor team. Teams in large school conferences all have about the same amount of "good" players, just as teams in small school conferences have about the same amount of "good" players, so I believe that's a wash. A player can only do so much, hockey is a team sport, I doubt Leddy could have done as well playing defense for Little Falls without Hanowski on the team, but I would have to believe Hanowski would have been just as good or better playing for Eden Prairie, even though they might not have won the state championship without Leddy playing defense!
You are an idiot. There is no way Hanowski would have near as many goals playing against the teams EP plays against, even with EP's team. Obivously Hanowksi would have done better on EP, if he played Little Falls' schedule, but if he played EP's schedule, he would have had nowhere near the same production
Nice name-calling in a forum where open expression is displayed. The fact is
we have no idea. You can not know what you say is correct, just as I can not know I am correct, It is my opinion, just as yours is yours. You can not tell me we would have even heard of Leddy if he had been playing defense on the Little Falls team without Hanowski.
If you don't want to get called a name, don't say something that stupid.
And Leddy was a first round draft pick, he would have been found anywhere.
Hanowski wasn't the only good player on little falls, his senior year, Berglund was also very good. His junior year, you have Berglund and Beau Hanowski, his sophomore year, Festler was also there.
Ben played with 2 d1 players and one who could have been if he chose hockey over baseball.
Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:58 pm
by gerryodrowski
What is the deal with Michael Russo refering to Leddy as "Edina born" in the StarTribune the other day? Being born at Fairview Southdale Hospital does not warrant this designation. Leddy is an EP kid through and through. Give me a break!!!!
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:26 am
by summer
Slap Shot wrote:stitches wrote:Very nice high school carreer. No question on that. However, he has done NOTHING yet at college level, let alone the NHL.
I don't care where anyone would rank Leddy, but what is done after h.s. has nothing to do with where they rank
while they were in h.s.
summer wrote: Teams in large school conferences all have about the same amount of "good" players, just as teams in small school conferences have about the same amount of "good" players, so I believe that's a wash.
I don't think anything could be further from the truth. There is a reason that most A teams don't elect to play up in AA because except for a few exceptions, class A teams would not be able to compete day in and day out with AA teams. Why? Because the overall talent level is just not the same.
My point you obviously missed is: A schools are more equal against each other, just as AA schools are more equal against each other, so you agree with me.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:30 am
by summer
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If you don't want to get called a name, don't say something that stupid.
And Leddy was a first round draft pick, he would have been found anywhere.
Hanowski wasn't the only good player on little falls, his senior year, Berglund was also very good. His junior year, you have Berglund and Beau Hanowski, his sophomore year, Festler was also there.
Ben played with 2 d1 players and one who could have been if he chose hockey over baseball.[/quote]
Sounds like you are quite the expert, sounds like you have something personal riding on your opinion. Lighten up, you don't have to try to bully people in this forum.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:04 pm
by Slap Shot
summer wrote:Slap Shot wrote:stitches wrote:Very nice high school carreer. No question on that. However, he has done NOTHING yet at college level, let alone the NHL.
I don't care where anyone would rank Leddy, but what is done after h.s. has nothing to do with where they rank
while they were in h.s.
summer wrote: Teams in large school conferences all have about the same amount of "good" players, just as teams in small school conferences have about the same amount of "good" players, so I believe that's a wash.
I don't think anything could be further from the truth. There is a reason that most A teams don't elect to play up in AA because except for a few exceptions, class A teams would not be able to compete day in and day out with AA teams. Why? Because the overall talent level is just not the same.
My point you obviously missed is: A schools are more equal against each other, just as AA schools are more equal against each other, so you agree with me.
Said point doesn't argue on behalf of Hanowski, so thanks.
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:10 pm
by summer
Slap Shot wrote:summer wrote:Slap Shot wrote:
I don't care where anyone would rank Leddy, but what is done after h.s. has nothing to do with where they rank while they were in h.s.
I don't think anything could be further from the truth. There is a reason that most A teams don't elect to play up in AA because except for a few exceptions, class A teams would not be able to compete day in and day out with AA teams. Why? Because the overall talent level is just not the same.
My point you obviously missed is: A schools are more equal against each other, just as AA schools are more equal against each other, so you agree with me.
Said point doesn't argue on behalf of Hanowski, so thanks.
I give up, I guess some people just can't grasp a concept different than their own.
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:34 am
by Slap Shot
summer wrote:I give up, I guess some people just can't grasp a concept different than their own.
Pot meet kettle.
And for the record I didn't come into this with a concept I simply responded to what was being written.
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:23 am
by Lowerchesterdchs
Wouldn't it be easier to compare him to where he is in his career?
So either by keeping an eye and comparing him against last year's senior class and maybe throwing Aaron Ness and Jordan Schroeder in that group since they would have graduated that year. You can rank them now which is fun, but then also to watch as they go.
I don't think right now you can put him ahead of defensemen like Martin, Leopold, Ballard, Niskanen and Erik Johnson until he gets to their same leve, which by the way I expect him to.
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:49 pm
by bender09
i am sick of the debate of who is better. obviously they are both great players, but the thread ask if he has had one of the great careers in highschool history. I say yes i put him right behind rj anderson and tj oshie in the the past ten years. some may not agree with oshie, but i think the state championship his senior year speaks volumes about the player he is.
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:04 pm
by breakout
bender09 wrote:i am sick of the debate of who is better. obviously they are both great players, but the thread ask if he has had one of the great careers in highschool history. I say yes i put him right behind rj anderson and tj oshie in the the past ten years. some may not agree with oshie, but i think the state championship his senior year speaks volumes about the player he is.
Not sure about R.J., love Oshie.
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:17 am
by scoreboard33
breakout wrote:bender09 wrote:i am sick of the debate of who is better. obviously they are both great players, but the thread ask if he has had one of the great careers in highschool history. I say yes i put him right behind rj anderson and tj oshie in the the past ten years. some may not agree with oshie, but i think the state championship his senior year speaks volumes about the player he is.
Not sure about R.J., love Oshie.
Love Oshie too but lets not let college and pro experiences change how we evaluate the top high school players. Leddy was a late bloomer but definitely didn't have a storied career all the way through high school, Alec Rush was considered much better their sophomore years. However, Leddy may have had the most effect on a game in his senior year than any player in the last ten years.
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:30 pm
by chuckapuckguru
I think we are forgeting to put an * on Leddys mr hockey win.... Budish was on the shelf his senior season. Leddy wouldn't even be talked about if it weren't for that
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:15 pm
by Lowerchesterdchs
chuckapuckguru wrote:I think we are forgeting to put an * on Leddys mr hockey win.... Budish was on the shelf his senior season. Leddy wouldn't even be talked about if it weren't for that
That statement is not true at all. Budish is awesome, no doubt. But not a true statement considering everything Leddy did.
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:42 pm
by The Exiled One
Lowerchesterdchs wrote:chuckapuckguru wrote:I think we are forgeting to put an * on Leddys mr hockey win.... Budish was on the shelf his senior season. Leddy wouldn't even be talked about if it weren't for that
That statement is not true at all. Budish is awesome, no doubt. But not a true statement considering everything Leddy did.
FYI, Mr. Hockey voting takes place before the state tournament. The Hornets (with Budish) and the Eagles would have been considered about the same around the time of the ballots being cast.
I think Budish would have been seriously considered right along with Leddy, but I don't know if Zach would have been the hands down favorite.
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:22 pm
by BodyShots
chuckapuckguru wrote:I think we are forgeting to put an * on Leddys mr hockey win.... Budish was on the shelf his senior season. Leddy wouldn't even be talked about if it weren't for that
Dumbest comment I ever read. Like stocks, prior returns don't guarentee future returns.
Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:44 pm
by slapstkhound
BodyShots wrote:chuckapuckguru wrote:I think we are forgeting to put an * on Leddys mr hockey win.... Budish was on the shelf his senior season. Leddy wouldn't even be talked about if it weren't for that
Dumbest comment I ever read. Like stocks, prior returns don't guarentee future returns.
This is really a mott point.....Both Mr. Leddy and Mr. Budish are currently stinking up the rink in Grand Forks in the game against the Sioux. As far as Leddy being an "All Time Great", not even in the top 10. Sorry......
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:57 pm
by HockeyMN1
gerryodrowski wrote:What is the deal with Michael Russo refering to Leddy as "Edina born" in the StarTribune the other day? Being born at Fairview Southdale Hospital does not warrant this designation. Leddy is an EP kid through and through. Give me a break!!!!
Oh I know, such a joke. Honestly, what was the point of including that? He has always lived in EP, just cause his mother was driven to a hospital in Edina for his birth does not connect his hockey success with Edina at all.