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CoachCleats wrote:The 97 and 99 Fire are both undefeated but the 98s have been less successful - especially compared to last Season

2008 – 09: (W-L-T): 31-3-1 GF=220 GA=48

2009 – 10: (W-L-T): 4-3-1 GF=20 GA=18

Is this the same group from last Season? ie., 98 Machine

They are ranked 6th however, so I wouldn't write them off yet. Mission is 4 and Everblades are 5, so their losses were to other top teams.

CoachCleats wrote:The 97 and 99 Fire are both undefeated but the 98s have been less successful - especially compared to last Season

2008 – 09: (W-L-T): 31-3-1 GF=220 GA=48

2009 – 10: (W-L-T): 4-3-1 GF=20 GA=18

Is this the same group from last Season? ie., 98 Machine

Same 98 Machine/Fire team as last year with a couple changes on third line kids only. It's funny how young strong Machine/Fire teams only do well when they are young and seem to fade as they get older. Not to turn this into a Machine vs. Blades thing, but the Blades organization doesn't seem to have this problem...Wonder why? Coaching perhaps?

CoachCleats wrote:The 97 and 99 Fire are both undefeated but the 98s have been less successful - especially compared to last Season

2008 – 09: (W-L-T): 31-3-1 GF=220 GA=48

2009 – 10: (W-L-T): 4-3-1 GF=20 GA=18

Is this the same group from last Season? ie., 98 Machine

Undefeated? I think Edina's PWA candidates, without the returners and locks, beat the 97s soundly in a tryout scrimmage.

Eastsider wrote:

CoachCleats wrote:The 97 and 99 Fire are both undefeated but the 98s have been less successful - especially compared to last Season

2008 – 09: (W-L-T): 31-3-1 GF=220 GA=48

2009 – 10: (W-L-T): 4-3-1 GF=20 GA=18

Is this the same group from last Season? ie., 98 Machine

Undefeated? I think Edina's PWA candidates, without the returners and locks, beat the 97s soundly in a tryout scrimmage.

But I bet if asked a Fire/Machine parent they would say they out shot you

Since the Fire Hockey club is an association registered through Wisconsin, please continue your discussion on the Wisconsin Youth Hockey board. Thank you. This board is for Minnesota Youth Hockey.

It was mentioned because they scrimmaged EDINA
Does it hurt your feelings to read about this or what it seems harmless to me

So we can't talk about Mn hockey opponents if they are not from Mn

Is this a Mn hockey rule as well

greybeard58 wrote:Since the Fire Hockey club is an association registered through Wisconsin, please continue your discussion on the Wisconsin Youth Hockey board. Thank you. This board is for Minnesota Youth Hockey.

Greybeard who elected you king? I guess now we can't talk about any out of state hockey trips, can't talk about the USA developement program because they are in Ann Arbor, can't talk about anything out of state, I see. Why don't you dye your beard black and tie it into a braid like our former Gov. Ventura!

greybeard58 wrote:Since the Fire Hockey club is an association registered through Wisconsin, please continue your discussion on the Wisconsin Youth Hockey board. Thank you. This board is for Minnesota Youth Hockey.

Most of the players are Minnesotan.

O-townClown wrote:

greybeard58 wrote:Since the Fire Hockey club is an association registered through Wisconsin, please continue your discussion on the Wisconsin Youth Hockey board. Thank you. This board is for Minnesota Youth Hockey.

Most of the players are Minnesotan.

What percent are MN kids?

elliott70 wrote:

O-townClown wrote:

greybeard58 wrote:Since the Fire Hockey club is an association registered through Wisconsin, please continue your discussion on the Wisconsin Youth Hockey board. Thank you. This board is for Minnesota Youth Hockey.

Most of the players are Minnesotan.

What percent are MN kids?

All but the Wisc... Practice players...

Most of the players are Minnesotan.[/quote]

What percent are MN kids?[/quote]


We don't want to go there, or for that matter anywhere near any other percentages. Thank you for your support.

MNHawker wrote:

elliott70 wrote:

O-townClown wrote: Most of the players are Minnesotan.

What percent are MN kids?

All but the Wisc... Practice players...

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iwearmysunglassesatnight wrote:Most of the players are Minnesotan.

What percent are MN kids?[/quote]


We don't want to go there, or for that matter anywhere near any other percentages. Thank you for your support.[/quote]

You are welcome for my support.

But curious to know if they are following the guidelines as we will have at least one Fire team in D16 for a tournament ths year.
I would hate to have them drive up here and not be able to play and not have an even number of teams for the tournament.

[quote="elliott70"][quote="MNHawker"][quote="elliott70"][quote="O-townClown"][quote="greybeard58"]Since the Fire Hockey club is an association registered through Wisconsin, please continue your discussion on the Wisconsin Youth Hockey board. Thank you. This board is for Minnesota Youth Hockey.[/quote]

Most of the players are Minnesotan.[/quote]

What percent are MN kids?[/quote]

All but the Wisc... Practice players...[/quote]+ [/quote]

They are on the roster I think. They just don't leave the bench during games.

elliott70 wrote:

iwearmysunglassesatnight wrote:Most of the players are Minnesotan.

What percent are MN kids?

We don't want to go there, or for that matter anywhere near any other percentages. Thank you for your support.[/quote]

You are welcome for my support.

But curious to know if they are following the guidelines as we will have at least one Fire team in D16 for a tournament ths year.
I would hate to have them drive up here and not be able to play and not have an even number of teams for the tournament.[/quote]

Some of the Fire teams are carrying close to a full roster of 20 kids. They are mandated by USA Hockey to carry at least 4-5 Wisconsin players, and the rest are from Minnesota (metro area).

High Off The Glass wrote:

elliott70 wrote:

iwearmysunglassesatnight wrote:Most of the players are Minnesotan.

What percent are MN kids?

We don't want to go there, or for that matter anywhere near any other percentages. Thank you for your support.

You are welcome for my support.

But curious to know if they are following the guidelines as we will have at least one Fire team in D16 for a tournament ths year.
I would hate to have them drive up here and not be able to play and not have an even number of teams for the tournament.[/quote]

Some of the Fire teams are carrying close to a full roster of 20 kids. They are mandated by USA Hockey to carry at least 4-5 Wisconsin players, and the rest are from Minnesota (metro area).[/quote]

The USAH mandate is 80% of the players must be from the district in which it registers (Wisonsin). So if they roster 20 then 16 must be WI kids, if 15 tehn 12 WI kids.

The alternative is that they register in the USAH affiliate that they play the highest percentage of their home games.

So if they have 16 MN kids then they register in MN.
If they have 16 WI kids they register in WI.
If they do not have an 80% #, then it goes on the basis of where most of the home games are played. Not a difficult thing to achieve BUT the exception has to be approved by the Central District.

I think what bothers many of the Fire haters (especially thepuckstopshere)is the fact that they are very successful at all levels even though the teams are always younger and smaller. It's only human to sometimes be jealous. Why such hatred: checkbook hockey, arrogant parents, little Johnny is to good for the association are just a few of the mean spirited comments towards these YOUTH hockey players. Then many of you post questions asking how many minnesotans are on these teams, yeah right, like you dont know, you have been to the web site how many times. You already know many of the players by first and last name. I think the reason they are being banned from association tournaments is also because of the success they have. I'm pretty sure the 95s (now done) and 98s have never lost an association tourney. The 97s and 96s I think each lost one. Thus the hatred, we all hate winners. So now lets just ban them from playing association teams because too many parents are starting to ask questions about the development process at home.

Bruins wrote:I think what bothers many of the Fire haters (especially thepuckstopshere)is the fact that they are very successful at all levels even though the teams are always younger and smaller. It's only human to sometimes be jealous. Why such hatred: checkbook hockey, arrogant parents, little Johnny is to good for the association are just a few of the mean spirited comments towards these YOUTH hockey players.

Well said Bruins. Spot on.

elliott70 wrote:
But curious to know if they are following the guidelines as we will have at least one Fire team in D16 for a tournament ths year.
I would hate to have them drive up here and not be able to play and not have an even number of teams for the tournament.

The USAH mandate is 80% of the players must be from the district in which it registers (Wisonsin). If they do not have an 80% #, then it goes on the basis of where most of the home games are played. Not a difficult thing to achieve BUT the exception has to be approved by the Central District.

I can speak on this regarding the team that is coming to your D16 Tournament this year.

One of the appeals of D16 is it's long history of embracing the game. The district is known to put the game and the kids first and leave the politics for the most part on the backburner, which is a welcome change from the Metro area.

Many out of state and even out of country teams have been treated to great hockey and great hospitality in D16, even though the teams and associations they come from (including North Dakota, Montana & Canada) may configure teams in a different manner.

The Fire team that I know of that is coming to District 16 is excellently prepared, fully sanctioned and conformed to USAH policies. It does operate on the HOME GAME criteria as approved by the Central District.

That said, it has a healthy mixture of players - all of whom contribute equally, contrary to what has been written about the children in earlier posts on this forum.

They roster 17 children.

One goalie is from Minnesota and one is from Wisconsin. One is a boy and one is a girl. They are both equally capable goaltenders who split the playing time 50/50. Both children play on high caliber Minnesota AAA teams during the summer months in addition to splitting time with the Fire.

The 9 players on three forward lines include 5 Minnesotans. All lines take regular shifts, (yes they roll em'), play equal amounts on the PP and PK. The Wisconsin kids are far from obligatory, being counted amongst the best on the squad and holding down critical spots during the summer months with the best AAA organizations in Minnesota.

Five of the 6 defensemen are Minnesotans. The team also carries two alternates, 1 from Minnesota and 1 from Wisconsin.

Of the 19 children on this roster, 12 are Minnesotans. All are regsitered with USAH and the team is fully sanctioned, approved by USAH and approved by the Central District, playing it's home games out of Somerset, WI.

The children that play on this team do so for a variety of reasons, none of which are the ones they unfairly pigeon-holed for on these forums.

As Bruins mentioned, Fire teams are generally younger and smaller than their Minnesota counterparts, but have historically been competitive with the top tier A teams at the USA hockey major birth years, (97 PeeWee, 99 Squirt). The USA minor years (this year 98's) are more difficult to quantify within the Minnesota framework.

Fire hockey is not for everyone, but many players and their families have found a it to be a great fit.

USA Hockey sanctioned Fire hockey clubs are embraced everywhere they play without drama with the sole exception of the Minneapolis Metro area. For some reason some adults in those areas hold some bitter hatred towards children who opt to play with the Fire and will go to great lengths to keep those children from playing at all.

That's a sad state in the state of hockey.

Mr. Elliot, this team will be an excellent addition to your D16 Tournament, and you will see first hand how they operate and how they play the game and I hope you might take a moment and set the record straight on this top shelf organization once you see them with your own eyes.

MNHawker wrote:
Most of the players are Minnesotan.

What percent are MN kids?

All but the Wisc... Practice players...

This is an example of the type of juvenile, un-informed comments hurled at 9-12 year old children in these forums, presumably from adults. Disgusting.

council member retired wrote:
Most of the players are Minnesotan.

What percent are MN kids?

All but the Wisc... Practice players...+

They are on the roster I think. They just don't leave the bench during games.

Another example of the type of juvenile, un-informed comments hurled at 9-12 year old children in these forums, presumably, once again, from adults. I hope you are proud of yourself.

Sick thread. Just let the Fire be. THey offer great competition and most of the top teams in the metro enjoy playing them. I would much rather get beat by them than have to beat North Metro by 10. To many rules and regulations that have no real meaning to the kids who just want to play competive hockey in the venue they choose. I know a couple of Fire families-one is from a great association, but have great friends on the team. The other is in a crappy non-competitive association and have had a very enjoyable experience with the Fire.

We prefer association, but that is our choice. I see plenty of over the top parents at the association level, so it is not limited to the Fire. It is their money and time so don't get bent on how they plan to spend it.

What Sorno said!!!

Fire hockey is a joke.

It's simple, play where you live.

If your kid is too good for association hockey move to Ann Arbor.

SoftMitts wrote:Fire hockey is a joke.

It's simple, play where you live.

If your kid is too good for association hockey move to Ann Arbor.

You sir, are a joke