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Could USA hockey have provided the list? They stated it was from a list of all registered youth minnesota hockey players.

sorno82 wrote:Could USA hockey have provided the list? They stated it was from a list of all registered youth minnesota hockey players.

Yes, they could have.
Someone in MN Hockey may have got it, but MN Hockey does not generally do this list. It is maintained in USA Hockey data base generated by USA Hockey associate registrars.
I have no list of D16 kids except on individual team rosters. I could generate one from this information but it would just be D16 kids. No one has that information in fromt of them. They have to request from USA Hockey. Through the US Hockey Associate registrar for the MN Hockey affiliate.

We have been asked at state meetings in the past for lists and have simply turned them down.

elliott70 wrote:

sorno82 wrote:Could USA hockey have provided the list? They stated it was from a list of all registered youth minnesota hockey players.

Yes, they could have.
Someone in MN Hockey may have got it, but MN Hockey does not generally do this list. It is maintained in USA Hockey data base generated by USA Hockey associate registrars.
I have no list of D16 kids except on individual team rosters. I could generate one from this information but it would just be D16 kids. No one has that information in fromt of them. They have to request from USA Hockey. Through the US Hockey Associate registrar for the MN Hockey affiliate.

We have been asked at state meetings in the past for lists and have simply turned them down.

Thanks elliott...if you hear anymore on this let us know.
Interesting topic.

elliott70 wrote:The list they used was not obtained from MN Hockey.

Mark Jorgensen had not approved the brochure and the way his name was being used.

Jorgensen will not be involved in the program until after MAHA state tournament. At that point he will serve as a goalie coach for all the teams and not represent any single team. His activity will not interfere with his postion in MN Hockey. It will be on the agenda for discussion in Apirl at the meeting.

I don't think that whether he is doing it now or later maters, two coaches from EPHA were fined $1,000 for sending out an e-mail for a summer 3 on 3 league. This did not interfere with their MN hockey positions, but they were told to pay the fine or be suspened for a year. Seems like this is the same deal, violates MN hockey rule below.

I. TEAM REGISTRATION

A. The USA Hockey and MH Team Registration fees and dates shall be set on an annual basis by USA Hockey and the MH Board of Directors. These fees and dates are published on the inside front cover of the MH Handbook.

B. Team Rosters Affiliates must complete a USA Hockey Roster Form for each team and submit along with proof of date of birth, proof of legal residency for non-US. citizens and other required documentation (refer to paragraph entitled Credentials hereinafter) to the USA Hockey Registrar or designee for approval.

C. The MH regular season begins September 1 and extends through the completion of all MH youth and girls State Tournaments.

D. Teams formed for the purpose of post-season play, regardless of age division, can not be registered or sanctioned prior to the completion of the MH regular season. Players shall not be contacted regarding participation on registered or sanctioned teams prior to the completion of all MH Youth State Tournaments without the permission of the MH Board of Directors. Coach(es) for in-season teams shall not contact players nor conduct on-ice activities for post-season teams prior to the completion of MH Youth State Tournaments, regardless of whether the post-season team will be registered with MH or not. Any individual(s) violating this rule shall not be allowed to coach or manage a MH registered team for a period of one year.

So how many people have formed spring league teams prior to the season ending? My guess is everyone of the spring teams has been put together while the season is ongoing since the games start so quickly after the season ends.

Somebody with more knowledge about this then I maybe can answer this question, but how can MN Hockey control a non MN hockey thing like that?
When coaches/players sign up do they agree to these stipulations?

My_Kid_Loves_Hockey wrote:So how many people have formed spring league teams prior to the season ending? My guess is everyone of the spring teams has been put together while the season is ongoing since the games start so quickly after the season ends.

Somebody with more knowledge about this then I maybe can answer this question, but how can MN Hockey control a non MN hockey thing like that?
When coaches/players sign up do they agree to these stipulations?

The summer hockey, other then the advanced 15s-17s are not controlled by MN hockey or USA Hockey and therefor they do not have to comply with the rules set by either board. As far as the 2 boards are concerned the AAA teams do not matter if you are rostered or not.

I thought that was the case but how can they fine/suspend the EP coaches for setting up a team for a Non MN hockey team whether its a 3/3, MASH/Showcase/AAA team?

Do coaches sign something when they register that prevents them from this?

My_Kid_Loves_Hockey wrote:I thought that was the case but how can they fine/suspend the EP coaches for setting up a team for a Non MN hockey team whether its a 3/3, MASH/Showcase/AAA team?

Do coaches sign something when they register that prevents them from this?

Yes, but I think the crux of the rule was to stop coaches from using undue influence to put together special limited teams.
Putting together a league(s) for all kids should not be a problem.
But that's just my interpretation.

If that is the case this rule has only been broken about 73,000 times.

elliott70 wrote:

sorno82 wrote:Could USA hockey have provided the list? They stated it was from a list of all registered youth minnesota hockey players.

Yes, they could have.
Someone in MN Hockey may have got it, but MN Hockey does not generally do this list. It is maintained in USA Hockey data base generated by USA Hockey associate registrars.
I have no list of D16 kids except on individual team rosters. I could generate one from this information but it would just be D16 kids. No one has that information in from of them. They have to request from USA Hockey. Through the US Hockey Associate registrar for the MN Hockey affiliate.

We have been asked at state meetings in the past for lists and have simply turned them down.

When the above bone was thrown out, I decided to wait to see if the cognisant MN Hockey District Director would come to his senses and issue a retraction. I am a USA Hockey Associate Registrar. I register District 10, along with a couple of other functions. Not only did I NOT, I repeat NOT, distribute any data that I am privy to, I wouldn't even consider the thought.

The idea that a District Director would throw something like this out on the web, to see if it floats, is an insult. Mark, you owe an apology to all of the USA Hockey registration staff in the state.

SGSentieri wrote:

elliott70 wrote:

sorno82 wrote:Could USA hockey have provided the list? They stated it was from a list of all registered youth minnesota hockey players.

Yes, they could have.
Someone in MN Hockey may have got it, but MN Hockey does not generally do this list. It is maintained in USA Hockey data base generated by USA Hockey associate registrars.
I have no list of D16 kids except on individual team rosters. I could generate one from this information but it would just be D16 kids. No one has that information in from of them. They have to request from USA Hockey. Through the US Hockey Associate registrar for the MN Hockey affiliate.

We have been asked at state meetings in the past for lists and have simply turned them down.

When the above bone was thrown out, I decided to wait to see if the cognisant MN Hockey District Director would come to his senses and issue a retraction. I am a USA Hockey Associate Registrar. I register District 10, along with a couple of other functions. Not only did I NOT, I repeat NOT, distribute any data that I am privy to, I wouldn't even consider the thought.

The idea that a District Director would throw something like this out on the web, to see if it floats, is an insult. Mark, you owe an apology to all of the USA Hockey registration staff in the state.

Mark can speak for himself.. but he didn't say you nor anyone else did! he said it was possible that it could happen, and that he as a director didn't not have that information readily available to him at the District Director level.
I believe you read more into it then you should have.
Might want to start from the top and work your way down.

SGSentieri wrote:

elliott70 wrote:

sorno82 wrote:Could USA hockey have provided the list? They stated it was from a list of all registered youth minnesota hockey players.

Yes, they could have.
Someone in MN Hockey may have got it, but MN Hockey does not generally do this list. It is maintained in USA Hockey data base generated by USA Hockey associate registrars.
I have no list of D16 kids except on individual team rosters. I could generate one from this information but it would just be D16 kids. No one has that information in from of them. They have to request from USA Hockey. Through the US Hockey Associate registrar for the MN Hockey affiliate.

We have been asked at state meetings in the past for lists and have simply turned them down.

When the above bone was thrown out, I decided to wait to see if the cognisant MN Hockey District Director would come to his senses and issue a retraction. I am a USA Hockey Associate Registrar. I register District 10, along with a couple of other functions. Not only did I NOT, I repeat NOT, distribute any data that I am privy to, I wouldn't even consider the thought.

The idea that a District Director would throw something like this out on the web, to see if it floats, is an insult. Mark, you owe an apology to all of the USA Hockey registration staff in the state.

If you are offended then I am sorry for that. But Mn Hockey and I as a DD have no control over what might be done at thh USA Hockey level.
If someone at USA Hockey, an associate registrar or an assistant associate registrar is responsible for giving, selling or in anyway distributing a list to a third party, we (MN Hockey want to know). And since it has become an issue we want to determine if it did. When a young child dsiappears, the parents are not excluded from the lost of suspects. I feel I am above this sort of thing, but yet Icame on here and explained my postion. I went to Mark Jorgensen and outright asked. Mark J did the right thing, reviewed everything that happened and apologized and then withdrew from this AAA organization.

So I would suggest that you don't use an offense as a defense.
Just tell people, I have not and would not do this. Nor would any one that I know in the registrar business (but be careful with this one).
I personally do not believe they acquired a list from anyone in Minnesota invloved with MN Hockey or USA Hockey. But I cannot promise anyone that.

So, again, I am sorry I offended you, but I cannot come on here and verify something in which I do not know. Someone with USA Hockey could have provided it, inadvertantly, innocently or under the table. And until everything is known we (you and I) should not be amking assumptions.

Over the years my son has been to no less than 10 different summer camps and God knows how many clinics. He has been to multiple Northern Edge camps and they are a class act. Their training is as good or better than any I've seen. They are better organized than any camp I've seen and their instructors are as good as any I've seen. I have spent more money at MN Made over the years, but the instruction isn't any better, there are just more clinics available.

The 94 team was at a disadvantage from the get go - Northern Edge just seemingly entered the area in 2007 and the 94 team was hand picked based on recommendations, whatever, just to get enough kids to field a team - I think. Clearly as they entered the MN market the 94's were already well picked over. The 94 team will likely continue to struggle a bit - although there was a tryout this year at all levels.

The organization seems to be 1st class. The coaches/instructors seem to be of a very high level.

The value for sure is at least better than Showcase, as the annual dollar amount includes one of there week long clinics which is probably a $400 value.

We have had a son in Showcase, I have a high school player a Peewee player and a mite and have been to all the made camps, clinics, 3/3 environments, total hockey environments, acceleration environments, part of showcase teams, etc. - we are thoroughly following the Northern Edge strategy going forward.