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TheHockeyDJ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:13 am Or Duluth Marshall could improve to a top 4 team in 7AA. I’ve heard a rumor that Andover might get moved and replaced with Brainerd. That would make for one hell of a semifinal Saturday. Brainerd is a growing hockey community and has the stability at head coach to be relevant for a long time. They have a good fan base and people there are used to travel to Duluth. There was a good rivalry going in the mid 2000’s with GR and Brainerd, though the Worriers never won then.

elliott70 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:24 am

TheHockeyDJ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:13 am Or Duluth Marshall could improve to a top 4 team in 7AA. I’ve heard a rumor that Andover might get moved and replaced with Brainerd. That would make for one hell of a semifinal Saturday. Brainerd is a growing hockey community and has the stability at head coach to be relevant for a long time. They have a good fan base and people there are used to travel to Duluth. There was a good rivalry going in the mid 2000’s with GR and Brainerd, though the Worriers never won then.

I don't understand why Brainerd people are used to traveling to Duluth?

hockey59 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:41 am

elliott70 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:24 am

TheHockeyDJ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:13 am Or Duluth Marshall could improve to a top 4 team in 7AA. I’ve heard a rumor that Andover might get moved and replaced with Brainerd. That would make for one hell of a semifinal Saturday. Brainerd is a growing hockey community and has the stability at head coach to be relevant for a long time. They have a good fan base and people there are used to travel to Duluth. There was a good rivalry going in the mid 2000’s with GR and Brainerd, though the Worriers never won then.

**Brainerd folks have a much easier drive to St. Cloud when they need the amenities of a larger city.**

I don't understand why Brainerd people are used to traveling to Duluth?

ER should be in 8AA, Andover in 5AA, Centennial in 4AA & TG in 4AA or 5AA. That would leave 7 teams in 7AA, just give the top seed a opening round bie, it’s ususually a 10-1 game anyway Or move Brainerd to 7AA, they are a lot farther NORTH than Andover, anyone who can read a map can see this...

7TIMECHAMPS wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:32 am What would happen if they moved the 7AA final to the X? DJ would be happy because it is a better arena and all the northern fans would keep their mouths shut because the game is played on the ice right?

Seriously I always root for northern teams but some of the arguments made for keeping it at Amsoil are just ridiculous. The game should be at a neutral site. In games where the margin of error is razor thin any small advantage can be the difference. To deny that is just not logical and shows clouded judgement.

Also, the game should be about what is fair and equitable to the kids. NOT the best fan experience.

This is from an outsider with no horse in the race. Easy call.

In section 8 if Roseau had to play a section final against Bemidji at Sanford or Moorhead at Scheels Arena I would be disappointed too.

TheHockeyDJ wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:13 am Or Duluth Marshall could improve to a top 4 team in 7AA. I’ve heard a rumor that Andover might get moved and replaced with Brainerd. That would make for one hell of a semifinal Saturday. Brainerd is a growing hockey community and has the stability at head coach to be relevant for a long time. They have a good fan base and people there are used to travel to Duluth. There was a good rivalry going in the mid 2000’s with GR and Brainerd, though the Worriers never won then.

Section 8 guy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:33 pm

7TIMECHAMPS wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:32 am What would happen if they moved the 7AA final to the X? DJ would be happy because it is a better arena and all the northern fans would keep their mouths shut because the game is played on the ice right?

Seriously I always root for northern teams but some of the arguments made for keeping it at Amsoil are just ridiculous. The game should be at a neutral site. In games where the margin of error is razor thin any small advantage can be the difference. To deny that is just not logical and shows clouded judgement.

Also, the game should be about what is fair and equitable to the kids. NOT the best fan experience.

This is from an outsider with no horse in the race. Easy call.

In section 8 if Roseau had to play a section final against Bemidji at Sanford or Moorhead at Scheels Arena I would be disappointed too.

100% this. Especially the bolded part.

blueblood wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:31 am CupGuy:

What’s your definition of Tier 1 and 2?

elliott70 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:51 am

blueblood wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:31 am CupGuy:

What’s your definition of Tier 1 and 2?

How old are you stanleycup?
Obviously you do not remember Tier 2.
It rewarded failure. I have no problem with redesigning the system to allow smaller, weaker programs but Tier 2 di not promote anything but losing.
coaches going into a game, players going into a game thinking it is not important to win because if we lose we will qualify for a tournament that gives us a chance to go to state. Perhaps you have never participated in anything competitively.
Giving your best is what should be promoted not getting a chance at something for showing up and worse, for losing.
Rosemount is an example of 8 reasons why it was not good.

TheHockeyDJ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:58 am

elliott70 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:51 am

blueblood wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:31 am CupGuy:

What’s your definition of Tier 1 and 2?

How old are you stanleycup?
Obviously you do not remember Tier 2.
It rewarded failure. I have no problem with redesigning the system to allow smaller, weaker programs but Tier 2 di not promote anything but losing.
coaches going into a game, players going into a game thinking it is not important to win because if we lose we will qualify for a tournament that gives us a chance to go to state. Perhaps you have never participated in anything competitively.
Giving your best is what should be promoted not getting a chance at something for showing up and worse, for losing.
Rosemount is an example of 8 reasons why it was not good.

Sounds like the QRF. That ranking system should be banned from the entire MSHL forever.

That guy for that thing wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:16 am

TheHockeyDJ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:58 am

elliott70 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:51 am

How old are you stanleycup?
Obviously you do not remember Tier 2.
It rewarded failure. I have no problem with redesigning the system to allow smaller, weaker programs but Tier 2 di not promote anything but losing.
coaches going into a game, players going into a game thinking it is not important to win because if we lose we will qualify for a tournament that gives us a chance to go to state. Perhaps you have never participated in anything competitively.
Giving your best is what should be promoted not getting a chance at something for showing up and worse, for losing.
Rosemount is an example of 8 reasons why it was not good.

Sounds like the QRF. That ranking system should be banned from the entire MSHL forever.

How so? In what way does QRF promote losing in order to get down to a weaker half of the rankings in order to not play the best teams?

TheHockeyDJ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:43 am

That guy for that thing wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:16 am

TheHockeyDJ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:58 am

Sounds like the QRF. That ranking system should be banned from the entire MSHL forever.

How so? In what way does QRF promote losing in order to get down to a weaker half of the rankings in order to not play the best teams?

It means sandbagging in terms of playing a weak schedule. Forest Lake was an awful team all year and hosted a quarterfinal. They did not have 1 quality win the entire season, and against the 7AA teams that were seeded 1-7 around them they went winless. When the 7AA coaches voted sometimes a team didn't get the seed they deserved, but you never saw an obvious 7 seed end up at 4. As Karl(East) said on the podcast, it is ridiculous also to punish a team in their rating simply for playing Hermantown because they are Class A even though everyone knows they would have been top 10 all year if they were Class AA.

TheHockeyDJ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:53 am

hockey59 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:33 am It was a great atmosphere last night and being a UMD alum I think Amsoil is an awesome arena & training facility for the Bulldogs...but after spending the previous four years Thursday nights watching 5AA section Finals at Aldrich...I have to give the nod to Aldrich for excitement & atmosphere, as someone noted, it’s like a mini version of the old Met Center, the rink, the way the building appears when you drive up to it and the parking lot

2016, I went to the Finals at both Amsoil and Aldrich. Aldrich cannot compete with Amsoil Arena in any way. Amsoil has the nicest lobby arguably in the NCAA, and going to the 4AA final the next night it was 10 degrees outside which is where you wait before they open the gates. Aldrich is a regular season building. Coming from 7AA where the stage gets bigger in the semi's and finals being in an NCAA building, it is a major let down going to a just nice regular season building for a section title game. Add in flat benches instead of theatre style seats, no food scene anywhere near the arena at Aldrich, the experience is bland at best. The energy inside the building was great, don't get me wrong, but you also don't have enough seating to meet the demand for tickets.

hockey59 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:59 am

TheHockeyDJ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:53 am

hockey59 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:33 am It was a great atmosphere last night and being a UMD alum I think Amsoil is an awesome arena & training facility for the Bulldogs...but after spending the previous four years Thursday nights watching 5AA section Finals at Aldrich...I have to give the nod to Aldrich for excitement & atmosphere, as someone noted, it’s like a mini version of the old Met Center, the rink, the way the building appears when you drive up to it and the parking lot

2016, I went to the Finals at both Amsoil and Aldrich. Aldrich cannot compete with Amsoil Arena in any way. Amsoil has the nicest lobby arguably in the NCAA, and going to the 4AA final the next night it was 10 degrees outside which is where you wait before they open the gates. Aldrich is a regular season building. Coming from 7AA where the stage gets bigger in the semi's and finals being in an NCAA building, it is a major let down going to a just nice regular season building for a section title game. Add in flat benches instead of theatre style seats, no food scene anywhere near the arena at Aldrich, the experience is bland at best. The energy inside the building was great, don't get me wrong, but you also don't have enough seating to meet the demand for tickets.

Another reason Aldrich is a better venue than Amsoil for a section final...players climbing on TOP of the boards...as part of the postgame celebration with their student section https://www.twincities.com/wp-content/u ... .jpg?w=620

green4 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:16 pm At risk of getting hockeyDJ going again, but did anyone hear the Elk River guy call into KFAN to ask Lou Nanne about if it was fair that the section final is at Amsoil when East keeps winning?
Louie’s answer was basically that home ice isn’t that much of an advantage in hockey, but did mention that he was talking about in NHL playoffs compared to high school and how that might be different.
The part that was surprisingly was that he said him and Willard Ikola were talking about it and they had some inside info that 7AA might not be at Amsoil in about 4 or 5 years.
I might disagree with DJ about how wonderful Duluth is in the winter and if Amsoil is really America’s number one hockey experience, but I just don’t see that section final moving, nor probably should it.
Just curious to see if anyone else heard that topic on KFAN or maybe see if someone wants to admit they called in

mnmouth wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:46 pm

green4 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:16 pm At risk of getting hockeyDJ going again, but did anyone hear the Elk River guy call into KFAN to ask Lou Nanne about if it was fair that the section final is at Amsoil when East keeps winning?
Louie’s answer was basically that home ice isn’t that much of an advantage in hockey, but did mention that he was talking about in NHL playoffs compared to high school and how that might be different.
The part that was surprisingly was that he said him and Willard Ikola were talking about it and they had some inside info that 7AA might not be at Amsoil in about 4 or 5 years.
I might disagree with DJ about how wonderful Duluth is in the winter and if Amsoil is really America’s number one hockey experience, but I just don’t see that section final moving, nor probably should it.
Just curious to see if anyone else heard that topic on KFAN or maybe see if someone wants to admit they called in

I heard it. Didn't call in.

But I agree that home ice may not be much of an advantage. Just ask the Hibbing players who lost in the section final in 1981, 1988, 1997 and 1999. All at the Hibbing Memorial Building.

hockey59 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:58 pm

mnmouth wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:46 pm

green4 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:16 pm At risk of getting hockeyDJ going again, but did anyone hear the Elk River guy call into KFAN to ask Lou Nanne about if it was fair that the section final is at Amsoil when East keeps winning?
Louie’s answer was basically that home ice isn’t that much of an advantage in hockey, but did mention that he was talking about in NHL playoffs compared to high school and how that might be different.
The part that was surprisingly was that he said him and Willard Ikola were talking about it and they had some inside info that 7AA might not be at Amsoil in about 4 or 5 years.
I might disagree with DJ about how wonderful Duluth is in the winter and if Amsoil is really America’s number one hockey experience, but I just don’t see that section final moving, nor probably should it.
Just curious to see if anyone else heard that topic on KFAN or maybe see if someone wants to admit they called in

I heard it. Didn't call in.

But I agree that home ice may not be much of an advantage. Just ask the Hibbing players who lost in the section final in 1981, 1988, 1997 and 1999. All at the Hibbing Memorial Building.

That’s not the point . . .

mnmouth wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:06 pm

hockey59 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:58 pm

mnmouth wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:46 pm

I heard it. Didn't call in.

But I agree that home ice may not be much of an advantage. Just ask the Hibbing players who lost in the section final in 1981, 1988, 1997 and 1999. All at the Hibbing Memorial Building.

That’s not the point . . .

However, home ice not being much of an advantage is Louie’s point.

hockey59 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:58 pm

mnmouth wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:46 pm

green4 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 6:16 pm At risk of getting hockeyDJ going again, but did anyone hear the Elk River guy call into KFAN to ask Lou Nanne about if it was fair that the section final is at Amsoil when East keeps winning?
Louie’s answer was basically that home ice isn’t that much of an advantage in hockey, but did mention that he was talking about in NHL playoffs compared to high school and how that might be different.
The part that was surprisingly was that he said him and Willard Ikola were talking about it and they had some inside info that 7AA might not be at Amsoil in about 4 or 5 years.
I might disagree with DJ about how wonderful Duluth is in the winter and if Amsoil is really America’s number one hockey experience, but I just don’t see that section final moving, nor probably should it.
Just curious to see if anyone else heard that topic on KFAN or maybe see if someone wants to admit they called in

I heard it. Didn't call in.

But I agree that home ice may not be much of an advantage. Just ask the Hibbing players who lost in the section final in 1981, 1988, 1997 and 1999. All at the Hibbing Memorial Building.

That’s not the point. The argument is the Section Final in 7AA should be played at a neutral site (or at least rotated to SCSU rink) every other year...and there’s no objective reason not to schedule it this way...as long as Andover, ER, Cambridge, St Francis & Forest Lake...constitute the numerical majority of 7AA teams

Duluthguy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:23 pm

hockey59 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:58 pm

mnmouth wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:46 pm

I heard it. Didn't call in.

But I agree that home ice may not be much of an advantage. Just ask the Hibbing players who lost in the section final in 1981, 1988, 1997 and 1999. All at the Hibbing Memorial Building.

That’s not the point. The argument is the Section Final in 7AA should be played at a neutral site (or at least rotated to SCSU rink) every other year...and there’s no objective reason not to schedule it this way...as long as Andover, ER, Cambridge, St Francis & Forest Lake...constitute the numerical majority of 7AA teams

The other day, I happened to run into an administrator who is deeply involved in discussions on where to hold the semi-finals and finals. This person acknowledged Amsoil is an imperfect location, but that the the coaches—even the southern ones—would rather play in Duluth than on an Olympic sheet like that at SCSU, and that other venues, including the MAC, don’t have the seating capacity. Those are the main reasons—along with the TV element—why the game remains at Amsoil, according to this individual.

That guy for that thing wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:36 pm

Duluthguy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:23 pm

hockey59 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:58 pm

That’s not the point. The argument is the Section Final in 7AA should be played at a neutral site (or at least rotated to SCSU rink) every other year...and there’s no objective reason not to schedule it this way...as long as Andover, ER, Cambridge, St Francis & Forest Lake...constitute the numerical majority of 7AA teams

The other day, I happened to run into an administrator who is deeply involved in discussions on where to hold the semi-finals and finals. This person acknowledged Amsoil is an imperfect location, but that the the coaches—even the southern ones—would rather play in Duluth than on an Olympic sheet like that at SCSU, and that other venues, including the MAC, don’t have the seating capacity. Those are the main reasons—along with the TV element—why the game remains at Amsoil, according to this individual.

I still think a Friday night final would be better. Section 4 does it, why not 7AA. It allows for parents to get a hotel in Duluth, which is not a bad travel area, hotel/food wise and allows for the kids to come because they dont have to worry about class the next day. It is far easier on everyone to not have to worry about the next morning for travel like this. Hell even Section 8, 6 and 1 could use something like this because they have such a far distance to travel on a Thursday night.

Duluthguy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:23 pm

hockey59 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:58 pm

mnmouth wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:46 pm

I heard it. Didn't call in.

But I agree that home ice may not be much of an advantage. Just ask the Hibbing players who lost in the section final in 1981, 1988, 1997 and 1999. All at the Hibbing Memorial Building.

That’s not the point. The argument is the Section Final in 7AA should be played at a neutral site (or at least rotated to SCSU rink) every other year...and there’s no objective reason not to schedule it this way...as long as Andover, ER, Cambridge, St Francis & Forest Lake...constitute the numerical majority of 7AA teams

The other day, I happened to run into an administrator who is deeply involved in discussions on where to hold the semi-finals and finals. This person acknowledged Amsoil is an imperfect location, but that the the coaches—even the southern ones—would rather play in Duluth than on an Olympic sheet like that at SCSU, and that other venues, including the MAC, don’t have the seating capacity. Those are the main reasons—along with the TV element—why the game remains at Amsoil, according to this individual.

HSPuckFan96 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:07 am Brainerd in 7AA makes sense, they are closer to Duluth than ER and Andover. ER is in section 8 for almost everything, other than hockey