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SB24 wrote:Here's a #3 for you

The Warriors are still playing...

refer to #2...

You PR people really crack me up. I mean seriously, with your schedule you think you have the right to call someone out about who they play? See ya next year...

SB24 wrote:You PR people really crack me up. I mean seriously, with your schedule you think you have the right to call someone out about who they play? See ya next year...

Look at the State AA bracket. There is no way Elliott, you, or anybody else could convince me or anybody with half a brain that they couldn't compete at that level. All they'd need to worry about is 8AA for most of the year anyways and they would beat 3/4 of those teams even on a down year. Roseau folks are much cooler, obviously..

PR will improve their schedule. They need to play A's but that won't happen anytime soon..

I've never said they couldn't compete there. I wish they would go up, but it's not my call so i'm not going to sit here and complain about it all the time.

C'mon you two, get it over with!



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I enjoy this...finally im not the center of SB's anger.......

Schwangless...SB...RELAX Just kiddin....

I still think PR will win the section

You can bet Warroad fans are chipper with drawing L-D-C in the first round. Beating on the poor and laughing in the process. I've never been a fan or Marshall, nor do I know much about Mankato West, but consider me on the bandwagon..

schwang17 wrote:You can bet Warroad fans are chipper with drawing L-D-C in the first round. Beating on the poor and laughing in the process. I've never been a fan or Marshall, nor do I know much about Mankato West, but consider me on the bandwagon..

You're a section 8 guy, you have no choice.

Warroad loses to 6 of 8 of AA teams, probably lose to Cloquet.
Even Park Rapids could beat Lakeville.


Next year Park rapids back to the drawing board,
Warroad, competitive but not going to do it,
AA Warroad, not there, they can put together 3 years of kids to compete ost years in A, but not in AA. Years where they are as good or better than AA, sure, but not for at least another decade.
Better thatn 1/2 of the AA schools, yup, but so is Bemidji.

See where Cloquet ends up in the next few years, even with section 7 being mediocre to poor they will still be at the bottom of the best.
Grand Rapids is similar to Roseau, the tradition and those guys staying in town make them good enough to compete. Warroad needs more #'s than they have right now to be AA.

Part of the numbers problems with Warroad could possibly be related to its population (1700). It has less than a quarter of Grand Rapids population (7800) and more then a third less then Roseau's (2700). There are years that Warroad would compete at the AA level and there are years that they wouldn't. Just like any other small, northern town.

elliott70 wrote:

schwang17 wrote:You can bet Warroad fans are chipper with drawing L-D-C in the first round. Beating on the poor and laughing in the process. I've never been a fan or Marshall, nor do I know much about Mankato West, but consider me on the bandwagon..

You're a section 8 guy, you have no choice.

Warroad loses to 6 of 8 of AA teams, probably lose to Cloquet.
Even Park Rapids could beat Lakeville.


Next year Park rapids back to the drawing board,
Warroad, competitive but not going to do it,
AA Warroad, not there, they can put together 3 years of kids to compete ost years in A, but not in AA. Years where they are as good or better than AA, sure, but not for at least another decade.
Better thatn 1/2 of the AA schools, yup, but so is Bemidji.

See where Cloquet ends up in the next few years, even with section 7 being mediocre to poor they will still be at the bottom of the best.
Grand Rapids is similar to Roseau, the tradition and those guys staying in town make them good enough to compete. Warroad needs more #'s than they have right now to be AA.

You're still missing the point, Sir Elliott. They would be in 8AA. That gives them a 33% chance of making it to State every year which is only slightly worse than the 50% ratio they have now. Move 'em up!

schwang17 wrote:

elliott70 wrote:

schwang17 wrote:You can bet Warroad fans are chipper with drawing L-D-C in the first round. Beating on the poor and laughing in the process. I've never been a fan or Marshall, nor do I know much about Mankato West, but consider me on the bandwagon..

You're a section 8 guy, you have no choice.

Warroad loses to 6 of 8 of AA teams, probably lose to Cloquet.
Even Park Rapids could beat Lakeville.


Next year Park rapids back to the drawing board,
Warroad, competitive but not going to do it,
AA Warroad, not there, they can put together 3 years of kids to compete ost years in A, but not in AA. Years where they are as good or better than AA, sure, but not for at least another decade.
Better thatn 1/2 of the AA schools, yup, but so is Bemidji.

See where Cloquet ends up in the next few years, even with section 7 being mediocre to poor they will still be at the bottom of the best.
Grand Rapids is similar to Roseau, the tradition and those guys staying in town make them good enough to compete. Warroad needs more #'s than they have right now to be AA.

You're still missing the point, Sir Elliott. They would be in 8AA. That gives them a 33% chance of making it to State every year which is only slightly worse than the 50% ratio they have now. Move 'em up!

Roso vs Warroad in Bantam A
no comparison,
Warroad vs Bemidji in Bantam A
no comparison
Warroad vs Moorhead, Brainerd, Buffaloor St Cloud Tech no comparison.
6 teams that they cannot play with.
Chance to get to State -- zilch.
If all the buses broke down at state - chance at state - could make cons finals if in same bracket with 1AA

Warroad in peewee A cannot play with Roso, Moorhead, Buffalo, St Cloud.
They can play with Brainerd and Bemidji. Crookston is ahead of them in pee-wees.
5th place.

They will have a nice single A team next year, but will struggle to make it to the finalsof Section 8A.

Squirts - not much changes, 4 or 5 Section 8AA teams ahead of them.

FYI - Section 8AA, Roso, Moorhead stay strong for a few years and more.
Bemidji, Brainerd, Buffalo will have some competitive years. St Cloud Tech will good the next few years, but after that they should be good but depends on where kids go to school, Tech, Apollo, or SCCath (and I do not know about hte peewees.
Warroad will struggle to compete with these teams and of course the metro, big burbs continue to be strong.

Right now Bemidji's bantams are #1 with Roseau right behind them.
And Moorhead is just a step ahead of them. St Cloud (almost all Tech kids)is real close and then Brainerd and Buffalo are behind them, but Monticello is steadily improving. Warroad comes in ahead of River Lakes and Becker.

Next chance to opt up is a year from this summer. Not going to happen.
Staying in Section 8A gives them the chance to bring 3 years of kids together and maybe a freshman or two to get 2 good lines and 3 good D and a goalie.

Not trying to knock Warroad, but people hear the name and think, big hockey power. Well, yes, since single A. But prior to that they are not the powerhouse. Plenty of excellent individuals at the Olympic and pro levels and their men's amateur teams were excellent (but used non-Warroad players).

Small town hockey powers Eveleth, Roseau, Intl Falls, Grand Rapids. Roseau and GR have managed to stay competitive (most years).

Not trying to knock warroad elliott? You did a pretty good job of it. Warroad's youth hockey has been discussed quite a few times. They generally don't have the greatest youth teams, but by the time they reach the hs level, they seem to do just fine most years. And as far as them only becoming a power after the split? Are you kidding me? They had quite a few appearances before the split.

I'm not trying to say they should go AA, but to say they'd only be ahead of river lakes and becker based on youth hockey...thats not going to translate to the HS level. No team is going to go to state every year, especially a small northern town.

SB24 wrote:Not trying to knock warroad elliott? You did a pretty good job of it. Warroad's youth hockey has been discussed quite a few times. They generally don't have the greatest youth teams, but by the time they reach the hs level, they seem to do just fine most years. And as far as them only becoming a power after the split? Are you kidding me? They had quite a few appearances before the split.

I'm not trying to say they should go AA, but to say they'd only be ahead of river lakes and becker based on youth hockey...thats not going to translate to the HS level. No team is going to go to state every year, especially a small northern town.

Exactly, but that is why they are and should be single A.

But that's about where their bantam team is and going to be in HS.
They won't beat Roso, Moorhead, Bemidji, St Cloud Tech, Brainerd or Buffalo. They should/could/might beat Monticello. And that puts them ahead of River Lakes and Becker. Not next year but after that.

They need 3 grades to put together the 2 lines they need. Based on that reasoning alone, they should be single A.

SB24 wrote:Not trying to knock warroad elliott? You did a pretty good job of it. Warroad's youth hockey has been discussed quite a few times. They generally don't have the greatest youth teams, but by the time they reach the hs level, they seem to do just fine most years. And as far as them only becoming a power after the split? Are you kidding me? They had quite a few appearances before the split.

Okay - Warroad History 101

1945 to 1994 - 50 years of HS one class hockey.

1940's glory years. 3 section 8 final appearances - 2 victories and trips to state.

1950's - no section wins, no state appearnaces. 2 (I am pretty sure0 sectin runner-ups.

1960's - 4 section final games - no sectin 8 victories.
went to state in 1963 as automatic 'backdoor' runner-up in 8 and again n 1969 winning the 'back-door' game.

1970's
1970 section winners, no other appearances in section 8 final game.

1980's - 3 appearances in section final and three wins, the glory years 87, 88, & 89. Thanks in part to Mr. Franchise, Vince Huerd.

1990's no appearances in section finals.

50 years - 13 times in section finals; 6 section championships; 8 state appearances; 0 state champinships.

Good, very good, but a powerhouse, no.

After the split, they have been more than very good. Single A fits nicely. The people running Warroad hockey know what they are doing. They are a small town competing with small towns and they do well.

Things are what they are.

People jump to all kinds of conclusions.

Warroad recruits. Warroad should play double A, but they are afraaid, a bunch of 'skirts'.
Sorry folks, that's not how it is. They are single A school by definition and should play and be successful at that - and they are...
perhaps that is the reason for the rumors.

Sorry SB, it is what it is....
but hey, it is pretty good....

elliott70 wrote:Things are what they are.

People jump to all kinds of conclusions.

Warroad recruits. Warroad should play double A, but they are afraaid, a bunch of 'skirts'.
Sorry folks, that's not how it is. They are single A school by definition and should play and be successful at that - and they are...
perhaps that is the reason for the rumors.

Sorry SB, it is what it is....
but hey, it is pretty good....

Simpleton Bemidji B-squad mentality...

elliott70 wrote:And that puts them ahead of River Lakes and Becker.

2 examples of teams without the simpleton B-squad mentality...even if enrollment puts them there.

Shall I give you about 35-40 more?

schwang17 wrote:

elliott70 wrote:Things are what they are.

People jump to all kinds of conclusions.

Warroad recruits. Warroad should play double A, but they are afraaid, a bunch of 'skirts'.
Sorry folks, that's not how it is. They are single A school by definition and should play and be successful at that - and they are...
perhaps that is the reason for the rumors.

Sorry SB, it is what it is....
but hey, it is pretty good....

Simpleton Bemidji B-squad mentality...

All right Schwanger, your turn...

1. Tell me, all of us, why you or anyone not running Warroad hockey knows more about Warroad hockey, and therefore; 2. why Warraod would be successful in AA. Or why they should play AA and not be successful.

The floor is yours.

And FYI Schwanger and all...

Bemidji has one year of what you are calling B level hockey left. The kids have said they will opt up, if asked. It does not appear they will have the #'s to be automatic, depending on what existing co-ops do.

schwang17 wrote:

elliott70 wrote:And that puts them ahead of River Lakes and Becker.

2 examples of teams without the simpleton B-squad mentality...even if enrollment puts them there.

Shall I give you about 35-40 more?

River Lakes and Becker are not opt-up teams. They are double A by definition.

If you wish to applaud someone, applaud Grand Rapids, Cloquet, Duluth East, and of ocurse, Roseau. The private schools have opted up also, depending on your feelings of how their enrollment is determined.

schwang17 wrote:

elliott70 wrote:And that puts them ahead of River Lakes and Becker.

2 examples of teams without the simpleton B-squad mentality...even if enrollment puts them there.

Shall I give you about 35-40 more?

Yes, please do.

And you have made a poor assumption or have been misled if you think these two teams do not want to play single A hockey (at least until they can get their own rink in Becker).

elliott70 wrote:

schwang17 wrote:

elliott70 wrote:Things are what they are.

People jump to all kinds of conclusions.

Warroad recruits. Warroad should play double A, but they are afraaid, a bunch of 'skirts'.
Sorry folks, that's not how it is. They are single A school by definition and should play and be successful at that - and they are...
perhaps that is the reason for the rumors.

Sorry SB, it is what it is....
but hey, it is pretty good....

Simpleton Bemidji B-squad mentality...

All right Schwanger, your turn...

1. Tell me, all of us, why you or anyone not running Warroad hockey knows more about Warroad hockey, and therefore; 2. why Warraod would be successful in AA. Or why they should play AA and not be successful.

The floor is yours.

I never claimed to know alot about Warroad hockey. You have alot more knowledge than I, Sir Elliott. It's the same mentality as being able to compete and move to an A program and sticking with the B's cuz the parents want their kids to win. I think it's a load of crap. PR opted up to the 'A' level for a few years and even though we got our butts whipped for a while it turned Darin Hafner, Knapp, Wothe and a few others from decent players into Division 1 prospects.

Warroad won't even play 1/2 of the teams in this Section. It's time to get out.

elliott70 wrote: The people running Warroad hockey know what they are doing. They are a small town competing with small towns and they do well.

What's Bemidji's excuse then?

schwang17 wrote:

elliott70 wrote:

schwang17 wrote: Simpleton Bemidji B-squad mentality...

All right Schwanger, your turn...

1. Tell me, all of us, why you or anyone not running Warroad hockey knows more about Warroad hockey, and therefore; 2. why Warraod would be successful in AA. Or why they should play AA and not be successful.

The floor is yours.

I never claimed to know alot about Warroad hockey. You have alot more knowledge than I, Sir Elliott. It's the same mentality as being able to compete and move to an A program and sticking with the B's cuz the parents want their kids to win. I think it's a load of crap. PR opted up to the 'A' level for a few years and even though we got our butts whipped for a while it turned Darin Hafner, Knapp, Wothe and a few others from decent players into Division 1 prospects.

Warroad won't even play 1/2 of the teams in this Section. It's time to get out.

Okay, I agree with that argument. Play the teams you need to beat, at least once.

I know what you are saying about B level hockey at the youth level, but comparing youth hockey to HS hockey can bite all of us (and I have stuck my behind out here to be snipped a time or two over the next few years (if I have any left??)).

But I cannot see Warroad having sucess at AA level, ever. And I can see them struggeling to some extent in single A in the near future.