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first off, hockey athletes are respectful. you're mixing up 17 year old high school hockey players with annoying college football players. anyone (a surprisingly little amount) who drives drunk / rides with anyone drunk is stupid. i'd say about 95% of the time players / kids drink, theres a designated driver or a spot to sleep at.

everyone drinks underage, get over it. the rules are fine... if you're stupid enough to put yourself in a position to get a minor, take a couple weeks off.

edit: before i get assaulted for saying "everyone" drinks underage, i'll change that to a "majority".

does anyone know the rule about tabacco use if of age durring hockey season? because i know there was a form about something like that when i played highschool puck

HShockeywatcher wrote:defense, don't you think that's a little harsh? That's basically saying that a kid can't make the decision to be around drinking and not drink himself. He's basically got to change his friends possibly. That's over the top in my opinion.

Last time I looked, drinking under the age of 21 was illegal. As a father, I don't want my kid to be friends with people who casually break the law if it suits them. I guess if by not hanging with these losers he finds a better class of people, I could live with that.

Tell me, if 2 of his CLOSE buddies stole cars on the weekends, would you want him/her hanging around with them. I guess so, as long as he/she didn't start stealing them as well. Guess what, they would start stealing them as well.

whos_it wrote:

HShockeywatcher wrote:defense, don't you think that's a little harsh? That's basically saying that a kid can't make the decision to be around drinking and not drink himself. He's basically got to change his friends possibly. That's over the top in my opinion.

Last time I looked, drinking under the age of 21 was illegal. As a father, I don't want my kid to be friends with people who casually break the law if it suits them. I guess if by not hanging with these losers he finds a better class of people, I could live with that.

Tell me, if 2 of his CLOSE buddies stole cars on the weekends, would you want him/her hanging around with them. I guess so, as long as he/she didn't start stealing them as well. Guess what, they would start stealing them as well.

1) if your kids gonna play hockey, he's gonna be friends with other hockey players. hockey players drink. in fact, many people drink.

2) the stealing cars analogy doesn't work at all... last time i checked that doesn't become legal at the age of 21

redfirehockey1 wrote:

whos_it wrote:

HShockeywatcher wrote:defense, don't you think that's a little harsh? That's basically saying that a kid can't make the decision to be around drinking and not drink himself. He's basically got to change his friends possibly. That's over the top in my opinion.

Last time I looked, drinking under the age of 21 was illegal. As a father, I don't want my kid to be friends with people who casually break the law if it suits them. I guess if by not hanging with these losers he finds a better class of people, I could live with that.

Tell me, if 2 of his CLOSE buddies stole cars on the weekends, would you want him/her hanging around with them. I guess so, as long as he/she didn't start stealing them as well. Guess what, they would start stealing them as well.

1) if your kids gonna play hockey, he's gonna be friends with other hockey players. hockey players drink. in fact, many people drink.

2) the stealing cars analogy doesn't work at all... last time i checked that doesn't become legal at the age of 21

Well, I see we found another supporter of underage drinking (law breaking), good for you.

whos_it wrote:

redfirehockey1 wrote:

whos_it wrote: Last time I looked, drinking under the age of 21 was illegal. As a father, I don't want my kid to be friends with people who casually break the law if it suits them. I guess if by not hanging with these losers he finds a better class of people, I could live with that.

Tell me, if 2 of his CLOSE buddies stole cars on the weekends, would you want him/her hanging around with them. I guess so, as long as he/she didn't start stealing them as well. Guess what, they would start stealing them as well.

1) if your kids gonna play hockey, he's gonna be friends with other hockey players. hockey players drink. in fact, many people drink.

2) the stealing cars analogy doesn't work at all... last time i checked that doesn't become legal at the age of 21

Well, I see we found another supporter of underage drinking (law breaking), good for you.

You don't have to support it to accept the fact that it's gonna happen. Another classic example of the ignorant parent. Kids can make there own decisions, so if it truly is against there morals, kids won't drink. But if they don't care, you'd be hard pressed to find a high schooler who is cool with drinking but hasn't done it.

And stealing cars? Really? That might be one of the more overexaggerated dramatic responses ever. But to answer your question (even though you answered it for me) yes I would let my kid hang out with those kids. If you were so sure your child wasn't going to pick any locks and hotwire a car with them, than what's the difference. Peer pressure isn't as prevalent and effective as it sounds in a 5th graders health book buddy.

Papa Bergundy wrote:

whos_it wrote:

redfirehockey1 wrote:
1) if your kids gonna play hockey, he's gonna be friends with other hockey players. hockey players drink. in fact, many people drink.

2) the stealing cars analogy doesn't work at all... last time i checked that doesn't become legal at the age of 21

Well, I see we found another supporter of underage drinking (law breaking), good for you.

You don't have to support it to accept the fact that it's gonna happen. Another classic example of the ignorant parent. Kids can make there own decisions, so if it truly is against there morals, kids won't drink. But if they don't care, you'd be hard pressed to find a high schooler who is cool with drinking but hasn't done it.

And stealing cars? Really? That might be one of the more overexaggerated dramatic responses ever. But to answer your question (even though you answered it for me) yes I would let my kid hang out with those kids. If you were so sure your child wasn't going to pick any locks and hotwire a car with them, than what's the difference. Peer pressure isn't as prevalent and effective as it sounds in a 5th graders health book buddy.

yea in my 4 years of highschool the convos at partys usualy went something like this

hey you want a beer?
no thanks im good

thats it, the "c'mon everybody's doing it" tactic usualy doesnt work. i drank but i had plenty of friends who didnt and after a couple parties people ust learned to not offer them any, none tried to pressure them into it. and if you wouldnt want your son hanging out with the car theifs (awful analogy btw) because you are worried he might steal a car then what you are really saying is "i dont trust you". if you trust your kid it shouldnt matter who he hangs out with if he's gonna make the right choice. and if he screws up so what? we all make mistakes and we learn from them, thats life. like it or not you cant protect him forever

HShockeywatcher wrote:defense, don't you think that's a little harsh? That's basically saying that a kid can't make the decision to be around drinking and not drink himself. He's basically got to change his friends possibly. That's over the top in my opinion.

I was not the coach. Obviously his intent and mindset was that his players were to be held to a higher standard. They should set a good example and be role models to their peers. The coach was no idiot, probably the most succussful in the history of that program. I also failed to mention that the players in question were NOT angels. I do stand by the opinion that they should take responsibility for their mistakes.

whos_it wrote:

HShockeywatcher wrote:defense, don't you think that's a little harsh? That's basically saying that a kid can't make the decision to be around drinking and not drink himself. He's basically got to change his friends possibly. That's over the top in my opinion.

Last time I looked, drinking under the age of 21 was illegal. As a father, I don't want my kid to be friends with people who casually break the law if it suits them. I guess if by not hanging with these losers he finds a better class of people, I could live with that.

Tell me, if 2 of his CLOSE buddies stole cars on the weekends, would you want him/her hanging around with them. I guess so, as long as he/she didn't start stealing them as well. Guess what, they would start stealing them as well.

If your kid doesn't hang with anybody that drinks in high school, he's gonna have like 3 friends. Probably 90% (just a guess) of HS students have been drunk. And if you can find me someone over the age of 16 who doesn't break the law every single day let me know. Just so you know, speeding, not stopping completely at a stop sign, not signaling before you change lanes, throwing a cigarette out the window, etc. are all illegal and have roughly the same penalty as a minor-a ticket and a $150 or so fine.

New law idea-let a guy have a beer with his dad in a bar,let him have a few beers with buddies while out fishing before risking his life going to war.18 and asked to take lives-18 -20 and fined hundreds for drinking beer -make it all 18 or all 21

crocket wrote:New law idea-let a guy have a beer with his dad in a bar,let him have a few beers with buddies while out fishing before risking his life going to war.18 and asked to take lives-18 -20 and fined hundreds for drinking beer -make it all 18 or all 21

not exactly a "new" idea theres about 40 or so facebook groups on this subject and every highschool speech teacher hears like 20 of these a year

let me just say this, i was all for it untill i came to canada where the drinking age is 18 or 19 depending on the province. after the initial novelty of being able to go to the bar or have a beer at dinner wore off i realized that the low drinking age was just an excuse to tax the crap out of the liquor. i'm guessing the U.S. would do the same. besides even though it is illegal to drink under 21 really after your out of highschool noone really cares, the only problemis getting it, but since most people know someone who has a fake id or is old enough its not that bad. i have cut back since i got to canada because the cheapes 6 pack is like 8 bucks , do we really want all our liquor to be allot more expensive?

hockeyhair15 wrote:

crocket wrote:New law idea-let a guy have a beer with his dad in a bar,let him have a few beers with buddies while out fishing before risking his life going to war.18 and asked to take lives-18 -20 and fined hundreds for drinking beer -make it all 18 or all 21

not exactly a "new" idea theres about 40 or so facebook groups on this subject and every highschool speech teacher hears like 20 of these a year

let me just say this, i was all for it untill i came to canada where the drinking age is 18 or 19 depending on the province. after the initial novelty of being able to go to the bar or have a beer at dinner wore off i realized that the low drinking age was just an excuse to tax the crap out of the liquor. i'm guessing the U.S. would do the same. besides even though it is illegal to drink under 21 really after your out of highschool noone really cares, the only problemis getting it, but since most people know someone who has a fake id or is old enough its not that bad. i have cut back since i got to canada because the cheapes 6 pack is like 8 bucks , do we really want all our liquor to be allot more expensive?

spoken like a champion.

keep the limit at 21 so college kids who cant ask their parents for "20 bucks to go to the movie" every night don't go broke buying beer

funny but true

whos_it, I won't begin to start telling you how to parent your child, at all. But c'mon, comparing underage drinking to stealing cars? What about speeding? That is another offense that doesn't become legal with age. I'm sure you don't want your son hanging around anyone who's ever sped too, right? My point is it's apples and oranges. How/where/why/with who you drink are all important things. Are you saying that if any friend of yours now who decided to make what you classified as a "poor decision" you would not be their friend anymore. Probably not. Why can't your son, assuming he doesn't drink, be around people who do drink, help make sure they are safe and such?

Are you making the assumption that all people who choose to break a very arbitrarily made law are losers? That's a pretty big jump and you're calling a vast majority of those who are reading your stuff a loser.

komada, surprisingly the number isn't quite as high as 90%, but it is in the 50% to 66% range. Additionally, if you only looked at people your average hockey player would be hanging out with, it will be higher.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with wanting someone to not drink, but to expect them to 'de-friend' someone because they drink, if they are an athlete especially, is social suicide on and off the ice/court.

HShockeywatcher wrote:whos_it, I won't begin to start telling you how to parent your child, at all. But c'mon, comparing underage drinking to stealing cars? What about speeding? That is another offense that doesn't become legal with age. I'm sure you don't want your son hanging around anyone who's ever sped too, right? My point is it's apples and oranges. How/where/why/with who you drink are all important things. Are you saying that if any friend of yours now who decided to make what you classified as a "poor decision" you would not be their friend anymore. Probably not. Why can't your son, assuming he doesn't drink, be around people who do drink, help make sure they are safe and such?

Are you making the assumption that all people who choose to break a very arbitrarily made law are losers? That's a pretty big jump and you're calling a vast majority of those who are reading your stuff a loser.

komada, surprisingly the number isn't quite as high as 90%, but it is in the 50% to 66% range. Additionally, if you only looked at people your average hockey player would be hanging out with, it will be higher.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with wanting someone to not drink, but to expect them to 'de-friend' someone because they drink, if they are an athlete especially, is social suicide on and off the ice/court.

Has asomeone actually done a study on that? It would be really interesting to see. And this is very well said, by the way.

Looks like Whos it just crawled back in his hole.

komada77 wrote:

HShockeywatcher wrote:whos_it, I won't begin to start telling you how to parent your child, at all. But c'mon, comparing underage drinking to stealing cars? What about speeding? That is another offense that doesn't become legal with age. I'm sure you don't want your son hanging around anyone who's ever sped too, right? My point is it's apples and oranges. How/where/why/with who you drink are all important things. Are you saying that if any friend of yours now who decided to make what you classified as a "poor decision" you would not be their friend anymore. Probably not. Why can't your son, assuming he doesn't drink, be around people who do drink, help make sure they are safe and such?

Are you making the assumption that all people who choose to break a very arbitrarily made law are losers? That's a pretty big jump and you're calling a vast majority of those who are reading your stuff a loser.

komada, surprisingly the number isn't quite as high as 90%, but it is in the 50% to 66% range. Additionally, if you only looked at people your average hockey player would be hanging out with, it will be higher.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with wanting someone to not drink, but to expect them to 'de-friend' someone because they drink, if they are an athlete especially, is social suicide on and off the ice/court.

Has asomeone actually done a study on that? It would be really interesting to see. And this is very well said, by the way.

As a recent high school graduate, I'd hazard to guess 60-70% of the student body drinks by its senior year of high school. That number shoots up another 15% or so in the summer after senior year/first year of college. I'd agree that the people hockey players are with tend to drink more as well, but that's a gross generalization, and the players who are truly serious about their sport know where to place their priorities, at least during the season.