Grand Rapids @ VMIB

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:31 am

Stich knows all about repetitive <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

gr19 · Post by **gr19** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:55 am

Word I got was stupid penalties killed Rapids.

zorba · Post by **zorba** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:33 am

They both had stupid penalties called against them, the refs called it on both sides, if anything I thought Rapids benefited from a weak call and scored but the game was called OK Is it maybe just 2 good IRC teams going at it and VMIB came out with a win (you can throw out the A-AA thing for this Game)and 4 points in the conference battle. Shots were even,the play was up and down the ice, scoring chances on both sides, cant ask for a more entertaining game of high school hockey to watch I have to ask though, were was the Rapids fans?<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"> I thought they could have had more support

PuckRanger · Post by **PuckRanger** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:51 am

Yes, GR19, they did take a few dumb ones. Four of their Eleven penalties came after the whistle. Two were even after time was expired. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"> I only actually saw the one after the second period. The kid slashed (could've almost been called a spear) a Virginia player after the horn, then skated by another two Virginia players and intentionally bumped one from behind and then put his hands in the face of another and pushed his head back. The kid is lucky not to have gotten a misconduct, because the two of the officials were already headed off the ice and the third was reporting the slash to the scorers box, so the second and third incidents went unnoticed. Forutnately, for them, Virginia only scored one goal (the fourth one) as a direct result of these penalties. However, the ones late in the third killed any chance they had at making a coming back.

gr19 · Post by **gr19** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:20 pm

I know the kind of person Bruce is, and he doesn't put up with that. Glad I'm not on that team today. I wouldn't be surprised if it's no pucks for the boys in black and orange in practice.

gr19 · Post by **gr19** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:23 pm

Also, I think if Virginia were in AA they could very well be in the top 20. I don't understand why Virginia and Hibbing don't move into 7AA, they would each have a great chance to make state in AA. Imagine Elk River getting the #1 seed and having to play one of those schools in the quarterfinals.

JLS 81 · Post by **JLS 81** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:01 pm

zorba, Like all programs this time of year the diehard fans of most hockey teams are busy on the ice themselves...mites, squirts, peewee, bantams, junior gold, girls 8u, 10u, 12u and 14u and coaches and families. The old comment applies in that there are too many things this time of year conflicting with most everyone schedule to get all the games in. Wished more people could have been there but thanks to you guys we got a good game report, sounds like it was an exciting tilt.

loneranger22 · Post by **loneranger22** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:12 pm

OK game by both teams and congrats to the Blue Devils. It was fast paced up and down action with a total of 77 shots on goal (39 for Va. 38 for GR). The lead changed hands GR up, tie, Virginia up, tie, Virginia up 1 then 2. Momentum changed hands all night. This was the best team Virginia has played this year and before the game I personnly questioned how Virginia would handle the pace because of the sthenght of opponents on both sides so far this year. They did just fine. What I don't like is the A - AA talk and the arrogance of the GR people on several threads on the Hawker boards. "We knew they would have some bad games" "We should not lose to a single a team" "GR hurt them selves with stupid penalties". What the heck are you talking about? We shouldn't lose to them? Why not...because you are Grand Rapids and the opponent was only Virginia? No credit to the opponent? Stupid penalties? Maybe the play, speed and quickness of Virginia caused them to take these penalties to prevent scoring opertunities? Maybe it was the best game GR played this year? I wathced the game and I don't know because I haven't seen GR play until last night so I'm not making the assumption either way. Based on what I see here you didn't watch the game so your assumptions are unfounded or is it you feel they must have had a bad game if they lost to a single A team or Virginia? I have seen most of the Virginia games and I do know Virgina has this year, could have last night and will play better than they did last night. AA is better than A? Last time I looked the only criteriia for A - AA was the enrollment of the school...nothing about if your the best you are AA and the rest, the lesser teams, are A. You guys are probably not trying to be arrogant...from what I have seen the past 4 - 5 years from GR coaches, parents is what I think is unintentonal arrogance but none the less it is the talk of a lot of hockey people in the area. You guys better look in the mirror in front of you (not the rear view mirror) and stop making excuses. Gr got beat...period.. don't feel extra bad that it was a A team or Virginia...all of the kids are the same age and put their pants on one leg at a time. Show some class and give your opponents, win or lose, some credit and respect. This advice may help you in starting to regain the respect many hockey people had for Grand Rapids in the past. Nuff Said!

JLS 81 · Post by **JLS 81** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:36 pm

I agree with you to a point but for teams who are paying up those games are a lose lose situation. What I mean is this.....if you are a AA school the mindset is you are supposed to beat the single A school. That is not reality but a BIG perception in our state. So for the single A programs the advatnage of going into those games is a plus because the teams have an advantage in that it is a win win for the single A club. Again if you are single A the perception is if you win,great and if you lose 'the single A played the AA tough. I do not like the A and AA label but thanks to MSHSL we have both categories of play now. It does deter from a fine game played by two good hockey clubs and it goes on all over the state. We only need to look back at what St. Louis Park has done to Edina in the past to recollect. As for the "AA arrogance talk" GR19 is the only one spouting off about the AA thing that I can see, so please be correct before making blanket statements. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... =jls81>JLS 81</A> at: 12/7/05 2:45 pm

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:14 pm

JLS makes a good point about AA vs A. And GR is an A school in hockey electing up when they are about 125 kids short of the mark to be a AA. Virginia - MIB at about 522 is about 525 short. But in IRC hockey, and the whole state for that matter, it is the quality of your youth program (excluding the privvate schools) that determines if your HS team is 'A or AA' (in quality). For now, no one will argue that Grand Rapids and Virginia are not AA teams. Just with a different status placed upon them by the MSHSL (one by choice). So the real question is 'Should HS with quality youth programs elect to be AA?' Hibbing, Virginia, Alexandria, Warroad....the private schools, what is the right answer? Of course this has been batted around on this forum several different times. But the question remains, 'Should the MSHSL look at other criteria to detemrine AA and A status?' Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... liott70</A> at: 12/7/05 3:16 pm

psmest · Post by **psmest** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:41 pm

Either way, GR fans shouldn't feel entitled to beat every other team in the IRC (A or AA). With all due respect, GR hasn't been an elite program for MANY years (decent, but hardly elite). Certain posters will have you believe that GR should go to state every year, and if they don't, it's because they didn't play up to their potential (while everyone else overachieved). A bit too much 'homerism' for my taste.

JLS 81 · Post by **JLS 81** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:35 pm

elliott70, I would prefer the "other criteria" that MSHSL use is simply to eliminate AA and A categories. Than we return to just enjoying two teams battle it out with no label to hash over after the game. That way we all enjoy the game for what it is whether it be small school verse big school, medium size verse small (etc. etc). It is too bad a Moorhead verse Warroad has to conjur up the AA verse A but sad to say it always does. psmest, be careful throwing words around so loosely your perception on Rapids people is off base by a pretty good stretch with the exception of one Mr. GR19.

psmest · Post by **psmest** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:43 pm

Read my post again. You'll notice words such as: 'certain posters' and 'with all due respect'. A little touchy today, are we????

gr19 · Post by **gr19** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:45 pm

There is no difference on the ice whether it's AA or A. The only thing is there is a certain coach in 7AA that always points to single A losses. This coach singlehandedly dropped GR 2 spots in the brackets a few years back. That's the only thing that concerns me. I also think it's unfair to judge me like that when I've made nice compliments about Virginia for a long time.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:56 pm

You have been around here long enough you know GR19, ERempire and others are very loyal to their respective teams and sometimes view/interpret/prophecize things with blinders on. But neither GR or ER mean disrespect for other programs (they may com e across as such) and they isually use the sarcasm button(s) to prove it so lets take the gloves off and go about using the board for our own purposes.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:59 pm

Yes, I agree with you. But not to happen. When people ask me about a certain team coming to town, I try to define their ability based on what their program top to bottom is like... not based on AA, A size of the community etc... And when others say 'Oh, geez the Jacks lost to so and so!', I do likewise.

gr19 · Post by **gr19** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:10 pm

If you Virginia and other single A teams fans want someone to point your finger at for belittling you? Well, When Grand Rapids loses to you, Mr. (decided not to say names) at the meetings says look at GR they lost to these LOWLY single A teams in an effort to convince the other coaches to drop Rapids in the standings. See, it's not me. Shouldn't it be, Who did you play in single A? Myself and most level headed people know most IRC teams have a lot of skill and talent. Anyways, that's why I get mad when we lose to single A teams because I know the rat is going to say, Oh look at this , Rapids lost to single A teams, blah blah blah. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... hs>GR19</A> at: 12/7/05 5:19 pm

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