Moorhead Transfers

BDS · Post by **BDS** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:42 pm

Actually that kid would have made the team. And I believe Morinville has a history of keeping seniors not cutting them. He hates cutting seniors.

pocketkk · Post by **pocketkk** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:21 pm

Morinville does like his seniors. And Fisher staying with I falls would have given them what.... 5 wins this year. Here is the deal. In the cities it's pretty easy. You have a good youth player and you move to a city with a good program. Parents keep their jobs and no big deal. Up north it's a little different. It's not like they can commute from I falls to moorhead for work. I am not a fan of open enrollment, but I don't know a better way. For example... Fisher. I bet if he doesn't open enroll to Moorhead, then he is playing juniors somewhere. Would you rather have the opportunity to see these transfers play high school hockey or lose touch of them in the juniors? The prediction years back is that Minnesota High School Hockey would no longer be in the near future because the good kids will go play juniors. The reason this hasn't happened in my opinion is open enrollment. C'mon Spuds lets bring one home.

rippinit247 · Post by **rippinit247** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:29 pm

if you are good enough exposure is not a problem, the only reason u would transfer to get noticed is if your an average player that still thinks you can live the dream

pocketkk · Post by **pocketkk** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:43 pm

The one thing in the article that bothered me a little is that Fisher said he transferred to be noticed and winning a state championship would be a bonus. I'm sure it's not a big deal, but if im his one of his teamates who had the chance to go to the developmental program and decided to stay in Moorhead to win a state championship that wouldn't sit real well for me. And for all of his teamates who have dreamed of winning a state championship for that matter.

hsskycam · Post by **hsskycam** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:19 am

There are many reasons for the kids to transfer and some go early; some go late; some go near; some go far; some go public; some go private; some go for hockey; some maybe not; some are never happy, and some are happy to stay were they are. No names neccessary so I deleted them. 2004-2005 TRANSFERS Year/Pos From To So D St. Cloud Cathedral St. Cloud Apollo So D St. Louis MO AAA Midget Duluth East So D North St. Paul Stillwater So F Orono Holy Angels So G St. Paul Como Park Crosby-Ironton/Aitkin So F Benilde-St. Margaret's Bloomington Jefferson So F Ely Shattuck-St. Mary's So F Hayward WI Duluth East So D Hopkins Warroad Jr F Apple Valley Holy Angels Jr F Austin Albert Lea Jr D Benilde-St. Margaret's Minnetonka Jr G Brainerd Blake Jr F Centennial White Bear Lake Jr F Chisholm/Cook Hibbing Jr F Duluth Marshall Duluth East Jr D Eagan Rosemount Jr G Ely Virginia/Mountain Iron-Buhl Jr F Eden Prairie Holy Angels Jr F Hibbing Grand Rapids Jr F Mahtomedi Hill-Murray Jr F Maple Grove Breck Jr F Minneapolis Washburn Richfield Jr F Minnehaha Academy Holy Angels Jr F Moose Lake Area Cloquet/Esko/Carlton Jr G Prior Lake Minnetonka Jr D South St. Paul Simley Jr F St. Paul Academy Shattuck-St. Mary's Sr D Hopkins Warroad Sr F Tri-City Champlin Park Sr D Wayzata Benilde-St. Margaret's Sr F Woodbury Hill-Murray Sr F Cloquet/Esko/Carlton Duluth East Sr F Coon Rapids Elk River Sr F Duluth Central Duluth Denfeld Sr D Duluth Central Duluth Marshall Sr F Park Center Hill-Murray Sr F Park Center Spring Lake Park Sr F Rochester Lourdes Rochester Mayo Sr F Minnetonka Eden Prairie Sr F Mora/Hinckley-Finlayson Cambridge-Isanti Sr F Minneapolis Southwest St. Louis Park Sr F International Falls Moorhead

icedreamer11 · Post by **icedreamer11** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 7:46 am

Too many posts to get through them all, but lots of good points. Two things I've noticed First anyone who thinks because the parents put in their time and effort in youth hockey there should be some entitlement to their son playing High School Hockey is crazy. Secondly, I've read the comments that there were no players' carreers hindered before open enrollment, how could someone know that, thats complete opinion and speculation. Indus maybe had some stud that should've played at the U and know one ever knew. I like the idea of a High School Champion team being made up of local talent. But the idea that a player pays his dues in the youth leagues entitles him to play in high school is absurd. These kids don't need to be babied they eventually need to learn to be resilient, how to deal with disappointment and how to adjust to change.

RaisenWarriors · Post by **RaisenWarriors** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:12 am

No one is saying that because a player came up through the youth program that they are entitled to a spot....What they are saying is that losing that spot because someone moved to town just to play here. On the other side there are still tryouts and if the player was that close to being cut anyway then the point it is mute anyway.....Where is does make a big difference is whether they were playing on the second line and playing a lot and the import moving in and moving them to the say the fourth line and not seeing much time......Lets be honest all coaches play the best player that give them the best opportunity to win. With that being said there are two sides to look at and deal with..... The new town and how it affects the team, youth program, and town. AND the old town team, youth program and town...much of what Bronco is saying is the furstrastion of losing a good player and the possiblity of other players thinking this is a way to go in the future. And of towns with strong programs getting player from outside due to strong programs and winning tradition.

rustyblade · Post by **rustyblade** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:23 am

Before open enrollment coaches and communities recognized talent from other teams. If there was a "missing link" from Indus, coaches from the area would specifically drop the name of the player to scouts and advise them to go see this kid in Indus, or anywhere else. College coaches were the dominant scouts in the area, as pro scouts were not focusing on high school talent. I am talking about days prior to Housley and Broten. Once the NHL dropped the age of draft-able players to 18, they too started showing up at local high school games. Still, coaches would offer their views on players from programs where players may not be playing on high focused teams. So, it is an opinion that players did not go unnoticed, but a solid opinion

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:32 am

True in days of old, but if your a "Top Dog" and on a losing team, your seen as an average player at best. It's pretty tough to show what you can do or your potential when you don't have a complementory cast around you. Look at the Youth Hockey post and check the responses to the "Best Bantam A players", you'll see that the best that are listed are from well established and currently STRONG associations and teams. You will not see a player listed from a team thats 1-15 in district 5. Same holds true for High School. Festler from Little Falls doesn't get the credit that he deserves, basically because of where he plays and the competition that team plays. Check the post here and read the comments for yourself. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... RLStars</A> at: 1/28/05 9:39 am

icedreamer11 · Post by **icedreamer11** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:43 am

Rusty, you are giving coaches a lot of credit on that opinion. There are/or have been many coaches that don't do much to promote players on their own teams let alone a player from another team. Many of these coaches are not out there doing it for the kids. An opinion from experience.

RinkRat10506 · Post by **RinkRat10506** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 9:54 am

Can you tell me who the player was that transfered to Cambridge from Mora?

wild77 · Post by **wild77** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:07 am

I'm not exactly sure of the reason open enrollment was enacted, but it does keep some kids from jumping to juniors early. Exposure may not necessarily be the reason kids jump from a mediocre program to a high profile program. If the kid wants to continue to progress jumping to a team with quality players may be the only solution other than going the junior route. If the kid is getting a quality education and progressing as a hockey player....what's wrong with that?

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 10:52 am

Thank you for that Wild77. If you look into various posts on the Youth Hockey forum, you'll find numerous reply on how you are hindering a hockey players development if your local association does not skate at the A level. This is true for high school players as well. It's tough to develop if your not playing with and against top level talent at all levels. Even in the NHL, players continue to develop their game and skills. Why do we think that high school hockey is the holy grail of hockey? I would love to see my son achieve his dreams of playing college hockey at DI, DIII or even a club level team. That's a life experience most do not get to have and if we need to open enroll to help is development and academics to achieve that, that's what we'll do.

rustyblade · Post by **rustyblade** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:25 am

Damn the team! What is best for my kid is the best! So what if I take another dream from some other kid! As long as my kid gets his recognition. I know not all have this attitude, but it is becoming prevalent in many areas. Hopefully through sound discussion we can see two sides to open enrollment and what it does for and to players on teams. This is my last comment on this topic.

cuda701 · Post by **cuda701** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 11:28 am

I am not necessarily saying anything for or against this. I would just like to mention an extreme case. A family of 3 hockey players at different levels - changed the town in which they played hockey 4 times because they got upset with certain things. I know all of these times they did not change schools (they could'nt, of course) and it was not always at the high school level because of the younger sons. This was in the recent past. I cannot remember which one was where at what age - that would be too much to keep track of!!!! Now this was hard especially for the players. It was the parents that caused this situation. Like I said, I'm not discrediting either viewpoint - this was an extreme.

icedreamer11 · Post by **icedreamer11** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:13 pm

Damn the Team? that could go both ways couldn't it? Hockey, Carreer, The hot chic at the end of the bar, it doesn't matter. To achieve your dream you are inevitably crushing someone else's. Make sure you never apply for a promotion if it takes you away from your hometown. Compete and Dominate or get out of the way. Yours truly, Darwin's Student

Gamblin D · Post by **Gamblin D** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:29 pm

Silly me! Here I thought the objective for the Minnesota High School Open Enrollment Program was to allow high school students to get a better E D U C A T I O N so as to give them a better opportunity to get into college of their choice. I did not know that the real purpose was to allow 16 to 18 year old athletes to move around in search of a better varsity team to play and develop with, to increase their odds of playing in the state tourney and to better their extremely small odds of getting offered a scholarship to play D1. I feel stupid to have missed the athletic-only angle. Seems to me the root cause of this is the same as the reason for children jumping around to multiple youth associations. Its parents who are either trying to live their life through their kids or parents trying to make up for their own athletic shortcomings. So sad and tragic.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... ns/mad.gif ALT=">:"> This season alone, I know of 3 returning players in one high school program who were bumped out to make room for 3 Open Enrollment Athletes. I guess its just too bad for those kid’s dreams of playing at their high school and its just too bad for the all the support their families gave to their kids hockey program over the years. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"> JUST WIN BABY! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/im ... s/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... nd>Gamblin D</A> at: 1/28/05 1:20 pm

wild77 · Post by **wild77** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:30 pm

lol icedreamer 11...One thing I always think about...Some are very critical about a certain player that left a certain team to play on a better team and arguably, in a better program. IMO, it takes a lot of courage, desire, and intestinal fortitude for a kid to leave a comfortable situation and live, play hockey, and go to school in an unfamiliar environment....a lot of courage

sjubum · Post by **sjubum** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:01 pm

RinkRat10506, Transfer <a href="http://www.geocities.com/dent0110/2005ci.html">noted here</a>.

carpenter guy · Post by **carpenter guy** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:04 pm

Silly me! Here I thought the objective for the Minnesota High School Open Enrollment Program was to allow high school students to get a better E D U C A T I O N so as to give them a better opportunity to get into college of their choice. I did not know that the real purpose was to allow 16 to 18 year old athletes to move around in search of a better varsity team to play and develop with, to increase their odds of playing in the state tourney and to better their extremely small odds of getting offered a scholarship to play D1. I feel stupid to have missed the athletic-only angle. Seems to me the root cause of this is the same as the reason for children jumping around to multiple youth associations. Its parents who are either trying to live their life through their kids or parents trying to make up for their own athletic shortcomings. So sad and tragic. This season alone, I know of 3 returning players in one high school program who were bumped out to make room for 3 Open Enrollment students Athletes. I guess its just too bad for those kid’s dreams of playing at their high school and its just too bad for the all the support their families gave to their kids hockey program over the years. JUST WIN BABY! I agree completely Gamblin D! There are many on here however who will apologize and make excuses to no end over this. Certain teams really bother me with all the movement. Let the best programs win not the inherited ones.

ezpuck · Post by **ezpuck** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:20 pm

I think the open enrollment policy is to help each student find the situation that best fits the OVERALL NEEDS for the student. This would include a variety of different circumstances. Looking at the list provided earlier in this thread I suspect that a superstar looking for exposure would be in the minority of the reasons. I hope the newcomers to this thread have taken the opportunity to read all of the postings within. 4 different moves at youth level? I thought there were many barriers to making moves at the youth level, how did they get it done?

carpenter guy · Post by **carpenter guy** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:24 pm

That list is very incomplete. Look at some of the top teams each year and see how many didn't grow up in the youth program. Elk River and Duluth East come to mind along with Warroad in Class A. Moorhead is on the verge of having the same reputation as well. As Gamblin D said it's the parents who have the priorities mixed up. I know all the excuses will start but it's true and there is no way to get around it.

straightstick · Post by **straightstick** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:06 pm

EZPUCK, I agree with what you're saying. I have read most of this thread, and haven't seen another scenario thrown out there yet; bad apples that keep finding a need to leave one program and get into another. I've seen kids transfer where maybe they don't fit in, or one of their parents are a royal pain, etc., etc. They don't "get along" with their coach, so they leave to find another one. Surprise surprise, 9 times out of 10 the new coach doesn't like the kid or his baggage either.

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:40 pm

Most of you guys obviously have well established youth programs in your area, so every kid or parent that switches associations must be "bad apples". What about a kid who wants a chance or deserves to play on an "A" team for a neighboring town because there home association doesn't have one? Look at Sauk Rapids for instance. SR did not field an A team at Bantams this year. Would it be bad for a SR player switch to St. Cloud or Sartell to get a chance at their A team? The parents of that player will need to volunteer, fund raise and pay just like everybody else. Yeah I know that he is taking away a spot from another kid at that association, but if he was the last cut for that team, he's probably better off at the lower level anyway for development. At the youth level you do not need to switch schools, so these kids will most likely come back to their home town high schools. But they will bring with them that experience they would gain playing at the A level. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... RLStars</A> at: 1/28/05 2:41 pm

Knowlze · Post by **Knowlze** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:45 pm

Open enrollment is good for high school hockey for these reasons. Drew Fischer taking the position of the last player to normally make Morehead's team improves the team. The cut player learns an important lesson for life. If he would have worked harder he may have been able to play varsity high school hockey. If he is an underclassmen, it will make him work harder to make the team next year. This also gets the attention of the International Falls players, parents, coaches, and fans. This will encourage them to improve themselves and their program so as not to lose anymore of there best players. Freedom and competition are the reasons why the USA is the greatest, most successful country in the world. Quite frankly, the power hungry MSHSL should just stay out of it. Open enrollment is legal. Whatever rules they make, there is always a loophole if someone wants to get around it. MSHSL exists for power, not for the improvement of experiences for children, but that is the topic for another thread.

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