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arcticpurple wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:51 am New to MN Hockey...can someone help me understand why District/League games don't require scorekeepers to keep track of shots on net? Coming from outside of MN...home teams are required to keep these stats for all youth hockey games above mites. I totally understand the desire to de-emphasize stats in youth hockey, but it seems that district/league play should require shots on net be part of the scoresheet. We just finished a great district game with both goalies getting peppered in a 2-1 game -(probably 75 plus shots between the two). The kids connected to those 3 goals are on scoresheet but neither goalie officially faced a shot on net. Is it that tough for community based associations to get accurate stats? Not looking to start anything here...honestly would love to hear other peoples take.

BSUBeaver wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:03 pm I had a goalie parent question my counting as well, and I am a goalie parent as well. The shot was definitely going wide and the goalie gloved it. I didn't count it as the shot would not have went in if the goalie wasn't there. She didn't like my explanation. And this was a Squirt C Tournament game.

O-townClown wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:45 am My attitude about shots at any level is if you want them tracked go ahead. Why people that want them counted ask people who don't give a flying flip can only be described as laziness.

arcticpurple wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:38 amMust be a Minnesota thing...most out of state competitive teams (Tier I and Tier II) are required to keep and publish stats through the state's USA Hockey affiliate.

O-townClown wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:53 am

arcticpurple wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:38 amMust be a Minnesota thing...most out of state competitive teams (Tier I and Tier II) are required to keep and publish stats through the state's USA Hockey affiliate.

Most?

I've done my time with 5 years as VP of the USA Hockey affiliate where I lived. My son has also played in another state, plus a few years in a national league. Exactly which USA Hockey affiliates require shots? I haven't run into them.

The largest youth hockey tournament in the world doesn't publish statistics. Teams from every affiliate in that thing.

blueline_6 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:53 am So you're relying on whatever mom or dad had the assigned duty to keep the book for that game. You're never going to get accurate shot stats from one game to another.

O-townClown wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:30 am AP, you're all over the place here. Teams are required to track SOG and publish through the USA Hockey affiliate, then you backtrack and "a majority of competitive leagues" keep stats for skaters and goalies.

Which Tier II leagues are tracking statistics? CSDHL doesn't, and that's the best Tier II league by far. I know SFHL, a very good Tier II league for Florida does not. DSTHL does, other?

Which Tier I leagues are? I know NAPHL is very good about tracking statistics online, but they sure as heck don't have volunteer parents as the source. It is done by the paid official scorer. T1EHL closely tracks points, SOGs, GAA, and Save %. It appears AYHL does as well. So basically a few for-profit leagues at Tier I level do, at least as kids get older. But not by parents. And not required by affiliates.

If you want to take a stab at creating a for-profit league in Minnesota to usurp or supplement District play have at it.

arcticpurple wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:03 pm However, it does happen with Tier II League (volunteer levels) but it's certainly not the majority of leagues. Guess I made my observation from too small of sample size.

It's not rocket science and shouldn't be hard for parent volunteers to learn. I prefer to refer to youth hockey volunteers as professional volunteers, rather then parent volunteers. It's sets a higher standard for volunteer off-ice volunteer officials. Is it really too much to ask for the highest level of youth hockey in MN? I think I already know the answer, so no need to answer.

CSDHLA - not sure wherre they're pulling it from but if the stats are showing up on EP, it typical means it pulling from another public website.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/c ... /2019-2020

DSTHL - https://www.dsthl.com/stats#/536/leaders?season_id=2024

ASHA -Alaska Comp League Tier II - https://www.alaskastatehockey.com/stats ... ol=3877961

O-townClown wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:37 pm

arcticpurple wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:03 pm However, it does happen with Tier II League (volunteer levels) but it's certainly not the majority of leagues. Guess I made my observation from too small of sample size.

It's not rocket science and shouldn't be hard for parent volunteers to learn. I prefer to refer to youth hockey volunteers as professional volunteers, rather then parent volunteers. It's sets a higher standard for volunteer off-ice volunteer officials. Is it really too much to ask for the highest level of youth hockey in MN? I think I already know the answer, so no need to answer.

CSDHLA - not sure wherre they're pulling it from but if the stats are showing up on EP, it typical means it pulling from another public website.
https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/c ... /2019-2020

DSTHL - https://www.dsthl.com/stats#/536/leaders?season_id=2024

ASHA -Alaska Comp League Tier II - https://www.alaskastatehockey.com/stats ... ol=3877961

It's not rocket science, but it is far more challenging because at least that's a precise field. Yes, some T2 leagues track shots. I mentioned Dallas Stars. CSDHL does not. So what?

Who is using these? Could they be corrupted? I've seen tournaments in Minnesota that try and it leads to complaints every day from parents of the goalies that say the statistics aren't accurate. I just don't see a volunteer taking on responsibility for tracking when the goalies switch or which goals are empty net.

I'll stand by my comment. If you want this, do it. If you want to track your kid's team go ahead. If you feel passionately about this take the proposal to your District Director and show them how it can be done for all the games. I fail to see a reason for the District Director to take this on given the many things more important on their plate, but I won't speak for them.

defense wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:42 pm Since most volunteers who would keep SOG stats are parents I think it is relevant to point out how hard it can get to track the shots while also watching a kid play.

arcticpurple wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:59 am

defense wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:42 pm Since most volunteers who would keep SOG stats are parents I think it is relevant to point out how hard it can get to track the shots while also watching a kid play.

rocket science....i get it.