When Fair Play points hurt a team

klulus · Post by **klulus** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:46 am

In the District 9 PeeWee A tournament, having more fair play points has put teams at a disadvantage. The league has two divisions an east with 7 members and a west with 5 members. The seeds are based on how well one does in the division. Because of the imbalance the last team in the east is moved to the west and positioned based on points. In this case Red Wing is moved to the west and reseeded into fourth place giving it a home game against Rochester Gold which finished four points ahead of them. Red Wing actually has a better record than both Rochester Gold and Austin, but lost nearly half of their fair play points. If the fair play points were not taken into account, Austin would have a home game against Red Wing. Red Wing has been awarded a home game through losing fair play points.

See http://www.mndistrict9hockey.com/page/s ... 2010-2011- for details.

I agree that the last place team should be moved over is better than dropping the team and giving a team a bye. And using the points gathered through the rest of the season is the best way to reseed. But the last place team from the division should never be given a home game against a team that fared better than it in its own division. I would suggest that the reseeded team would not get a home game. This suggestion, however, has fallen on deaf ears.

D6Rocks · Post by **D6Rocks** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:47 am

The only thing I see wrong with this, is.
Where did Luverne go??
Where did Roch Red come from?

Rochester has 3 Peewee A teams?

drop the puck · Post by **drop the puck** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:06 am

Go play the game.

TestTubeHockey · Post by **TestTubeHockey** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:26 pm

They hurt when you have bad coaching and a bunch of undisciplined kids and you do not get them.

Survey · Post by **Survey** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:42 pm

Try watching a D6 game....the refs funk up the game flow so bad its not even fun to watch at times.

A lot of refs trying to dictate the game rather than just ref it.....it's getting pretty sad.

klulus · Post by **klulus** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:51 pm

D6Rocks wrote:The only thing I see wrong with this, is.
Where did Luverne go??
Where did Roch Red come from?

Rochester has 3 Peewee A teams?

Luverne is in district 4. There are only three PeeWee A teams in that district. The teams play in districts 5 or 9 for league play, but come back for the district tournament.

Rochester Red is the PeeWee A team. The gold and black teams are PeeWee A2. If Rochester was still in district 8, they would be classified as B1 teams, but to be competitive with the other teams in their division, they are classified as PeeWee A. The Rochester Red team played in the Maroon and Gold because it would be unfair to have the A2 teams play them. They needed to be in a district tournament to have a chance at the state tournament.

silentbutdeadly3139 · Post by **silentbutdeadly3139** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:11 pm

klulus wrote:
D6Rocks wrote:The only thing I see wrong with this, is.
Where did Luverne go??
Where did Roch Red come from?

Rochester has 3 Peewee A teams?
Luverne is in district 4. There are only three PeeWee A teams in that district. The teams play in districts 5 or 9 for league play, but come back for the district tournament.

Rochester Red is the PeeWee A team. The gold and black teams are PeeWee A2. If Rochester was still in district 8, they would be classified as B1 teams, but to be competitive with the other teams in their division, they are classified as PeeWee A. The Rochester Red team played in the Maroon and Gold because it would be unfair to have the A2 teams play them. They needed to be in a district tournament to have a chance at the state tournament.

Maroon and Gold ? is that some sort of league ? read post on here about Bantams but not Peewee's.

Goalie Dude · Post by **Goalie Dude** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:14 pm

Look at D10, PWA - Elk River is now tied for #1 when it should have been locked in. Irondale lost their chance at playoffs from the FP points.

My only beef with it is the lack of inconsistencies in the refs. Some allow it to get a little chippy, others don't allow anything to fly by. Hard for the kids to know what they can or can't do in a game. The D10 refs were some of the worst I've seen in years, others were great. Luck of the draw I guess.

BadgerBob82 · Post by **BadgerBob82** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:43 pm

I've seen a FPP lost for 2 Too Many Men minors and a 10 minute for a kid chewing his mouthguard. They should be awarded at the refs disgression after the game. If the fans, coaches and players were well behaved and "fair" they get their point.

Sounds ridiculous? They are at the ref's disgression now!

jackstraw · Post by **jackstraw** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:38 pm

Mouthgaurd penalty doesn't count as 10 mn. toward FP points unless something has changed, so a mistake was made and should be brought up to the district stats guy.

BadgerBob82 · Post by **BadgerBob82** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:18 am

jack: Was 2 years ago, not sure if was disputed or not. But you get my point.

The FPP seems a noble concept, but the application is foolish. A too many men (Bench minor) is far different that a Bench minor for a coach berating a ref? A two handed slash is different than a trip for a kid stepping on a players stick? An elbow to the head is different than a delay of game? And the rash of penalties late in a blow out game should be looked at differently.

The 2 and 10 "check from behind" is often miscalled. Home refs like cross-checking or boarding instead. Dangerous and deliberate check from behind should be a 5:00 and game/match, but rarely are called as such.

The FPP gives a warm fuzzy to many, but is a rather silly way to "clean up the game".

the_juiceman · Post by **the_juiceman** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:56 pm

Goalie Dude wrote:Look at D10, PWA - Elk River is now tied for #1 when it should have been locked in. Irondale lost their chance at playoffs from the FP points.

My only beef with it is the lack of inconsistencies in the refs. Some allow it to get a little chippy, others don't allow anything to fly by. Hard for the kids to know what they can or can't do in a game. The D10 refs were some of the worst I've seen in years, others were great. Luck of the draw I guess.

A penalty is a penalty--whether it's called or not, the Coach can't allow the chippy players to continue to play that way. Throwing a deliberate elbow, because the ref's aren't calling them is no way to be having your kids play. It's the coaches responsibility to keep the players under control as much as it is the ref's to be whistling the infractions consistantly. This is the perfect scenerio that gives the USAH the ammo they need to push forward the idea to eliminate checking at the PW level