Proposal for Three Class System

[Joe2015]

Sources inside the MSHSL office have confirmed that it recently received a proposal to move to a three class system in Boys Ice Hockey. The idea would be to "give more opportunities to the little programs".

And who is the "little program" that is spearheading this effort? Well it is Hermantown and their long time coach Bruce Plante, who retired two seasons ago after the Hawks last championship in 2017. Asked for his reasoning behind the proposal "well just look at the past two seasons: I mean how are we supposed to complete with the Alexandria's and Greenway's of the world? You saw what kind of talent they had. It's not fair really to ask us to compete at that kind of level. We feel it would be best if there was more classes so those programs could then be moved up a level."

Plante says he just the voice for the community, as the real push for this change is coming from the parents in the Hermantown area. Said one parent: "I schedule vacation days for the first week of March every year so I can go watch the team play in St Paul. And then they lose in the sectionals last year. What was I supposed to do? It was too late to switch my vacation days at that point."

Said another parent: "ever since my kid transferred here in 7th grade, it's been his dream of going to state as a Hawk. What if we don't make it out of the section tournament again? That wouldn't be right."

A third added: "two years without a state championship......the MSHSL has to do something. It's only right"

Plante finished by saying "we recruit......errrrrrrr I mean bring in kids from all over the area. So when we win state, its like the whole Northeast part of Minnesota wins state too."

The proposed alignment would have Hermantown as the only team in it's section.

No word from the MSHSL on if or when this proposal will come up for a vote.

[TwinCitiesImport]

Sources inside the MSHSL office have confirmed that it recently received a proposal to move to a three class system in Boys Ice Hockey. The idea would be to "give more opportunities to the little programs".

And who is the "little program" that is spearheading this effort? Well it is Hermantown and their long time coach Bruce Plante, who retired two seasons ago after the Hawks last championship in 2017. Asked for his reasoning behind the proposal "well just look at the past two seasons: I mean how are we supposed to complete with the Alexandria's and Greenway's of the world? You saw what kind of talent they had. It's not fair really to ask us to compete at that kind of level. We feel it would be best if there was more classes so those programs could then be moved up a level."

Plante says he just the voice for the community, as the real push for this change is coming from the parents in the Hermantown area. Said one parent: "I schedule vacation days for the first week of March every year so I can go watch the team play in St Paul. And then they lose in the sectionals last year. What was I supposed to do? It was too late to switch my vacation days at that point."

Said another parent: "ever since my kid transferred here in 7th grade, it's been his dream of going to state as a Hawk. What if we don't make it out of the section tournament again? That wouldn't be right."

A third added: "two years without a state championship......the MSHSL has to do something. It's only right"

Plante finished by saying "we recruit......errrrrrrr I mean bring in kids from all over the area. So when we win state, its like the whole Northeast part of Minnesota wins state too."

The proposed alignment would have Hermantown as the only team in it's section.

No word from the MSHSL on if or when this proposal will come up for a vote.

Those are mighty fine quotes from Mr. Plante, where did you fine those bad boys?

[Slap Shot]

[Joe2015]

Plante finished by saying "we recruit......errrrrrrr I mean bring in kids from all over the area. So when we win state, its like the whole Northeast part of Minnesota wins state too."

Those are mighty fine quotes from Mr. Plante, where did you fine those bad boys?

Anonymous sources

[grindiangrad-80]

Tongue in cheek I assume?

[HSPuckFan96]

Satire is not dead, love it! Good stuff

[Puckguy19]

Love the satire! Fear the day is not to far off, where the MSHSL will put a third-tier in place.

[elliott70]

Satire is not dead, love it! Good stuff

Satire is not but JOE2015 might be when Plante learns of his home address.

[north_bear]

[LSQRANK]

Sweet! Sources are saying that they are initially leaning toward the following section assignments:
Enjoy - Doc

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A proposed Minnesota High School section alignment scheme
based on a 3-Tier system considering strength of program/ratings and Geo location.

D1 --> Top    40 teams   26.85%
D2 --> Middle 69 Teams   46.30%
D3 --> Bottom 40 Teams   26.85%



GEO       Div-Sec  Teams
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SE Minn   D1-1     LakevilleSouth,      LakevilleNorth,   Farmington,        Hastings,         PriorLake
WS Metro  D1-2     EdenPrairie,         HolyFamily,       Minnetonka,        Wayzata,          Chaska
SE Metro  D1-3     St.ThomasAcademy,    Eagan,            Eastview,          Rosemount,        Burnsville 
NE Metro  D1-4     Cretin-DerhamHall,   Hill-Murray,      WhiteBearLake,     Mahtomedi,        Stillwater
NW Metro  D1-5     Blaine,              Andover,          MapleGrove,        ElkRiver,         STMA
SW Metro  D1-6     Edina,               Blake,            BSM's,             St.LouisPark,     HolyAngels
NE Minn   D1-7     DuluthEast,          Hermantown,       GrandRapids,       Cloquet,          St.CloudUnited
NW Minn   D1-8     Moorhead,            Roseau,           Warroad,           EastGrandForks,   St.CloudCathedral

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SE Minn   D3-1     Austin,              LaCrescent,       RochesterLourdes,  AlbertLea,        Winona
SW Minn   D3-2     Fairmont,            RedwoodValley,    Worthington,       Windom,           MinnesotaRiver
SE Metro  D3-3     St.PaulHighlandPark, MinnehahaAcademy, HenrySibley,       SWC/Richfield,    RedWing
EC Minn   D3-4     Cambridge-Isanti,    SpringLakePark,   Mora/Milaca,       ChisagoLakes,     Princeton
WC Minn   D3-5     Becker/BigLake,      Willmar,          PrairieCentre,     SaukRapids-Rice,  Wadena-DeerCreek 
SC Minn   D3-6     Waseca,              Luverne,          Waconia,           Morris/Benson,    ProvidenceAcademy
NE Minn   D3-7     Ely,                 MooseLakeArea,    NorthShore,        Proctor,          Hibbing/Chisholm   
NW Minn   D3-8     ParkRapids,          Bagley/Fosston,   LakeoftheWoods,    RedLakeFalls,     Breckenridge/Wahpeton

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SE Minn   D2-1     AppleValley, NewPrague,        Northfield,    Faribault,  Owatonna, 
                   DodgeCounty, RochesterCentury, RochesterMayo, RochesterJohnMarshall  
				   
SC Minn   D2-2     MankatoEast, MankatoWest, Hutchinson, NewUlm, 
                   Marshall,    LDC,         RiverLakes, Sartell-St.Stephen 
				   
SE Metro  D2-3     EastRidge,      Woodbury,     ParkofCottageGrove, Tartan 
                   St.PaulJohnson, SouthSt.Paul, St.PaulAcademy,     Simley              
				   
NE Metro  D2-4     Centennial, CoonRapids, Totino-Grace, GentryAcademy, NorthBranch 
                   ForestLake, Roseville,  MoundsView,   Irondale       
				   
NW Metro  D2-5     Anoka,   ChamplinPark, Rogers, Orono,  Delano, 
                   Buffalo, Monticello,   Osseo,  St.Francis
				   
SW Metro  D2-6     Minneapolis, Breck,    Armstrong/Cooper, BloomingtonJefferson, BloomingtonKennedy, 
                   Hopkins,     Shakopee, Chanhassen,  MoundWestonka 
				              
NE Minn   D2-7     DuluthDenfeld, DuluthMarshall,  Greenway,      Eveleth-Gilbert, Virginia,  
                   IntrFalls,     NorthernLakes    PineCityArea   

NW Minn   D2-8     ThiefRiverFalls, LittleFalls,    Alexandria,   Bemidji,   Brainerd,
                   FergusFalls,     KittsonCentral, DetroitLakes, Crookston
				   
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[LSQRANK]

[kniven]

I heard this will be implemented 2025-2026.

[Joe2015]

Sweet! Sources are saying that they are initially leaning toward the following section assignments:
Enjoy - Doc

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A proposed Minnesota High School section alignment scheme
based on a 3-Tier system considering strength of program/ratings and Geo location.

D1 --> Top    40 teams   26.85%
D2 --> Middle 69 Teams   46.30%
D3 --> Bottom 40 Teams   26.85%



GEO       Div-Sec  Teams
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SE Minn   D1-1     LakevilleSouth,      LakevilleNorth,   Farmington,        Hastings,         PriorLake
WS Metro  D1-2     EdenPrairie,         HolyFamily,       Minnetonka,        Wayzata,          Chaska
SE Metro  D1-3     St.ThomasAcademy,    Eagan,            Eastview,          Rosemount,        Burnsville 
NE Metro  D1-4     Cretin-DerhamHall,   Hill-Murray,      WhiteBearLake,     Mahtomedi,        Stillwater
NW Metro  D1-5     Blaine,              Andover,          MapleGrove,        ElkRiver,         STMA
SW Metro  D1-6     Edina,               Blake,            BSM's,             St.LouisPark,     HolyAngels
NE Minn   D1-7     DuluthEast,          Hermantown,       GrandRapids,       Cloquet,          St.CloudUnited
NW Minn   D1-8     Moorhead,            Roseau,           Warroad,           EastGrandForks,   St.CloudCathedral

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SE Minn   D3-1     Austin,              LaCrescent,       RochesterLourdes,  AlbertLea,        Winona
SW Minn   D3-2     Fairmont,            RedwoodValley,    Worthington,       Windom,           MinnesotaRiver
SE Metro  D3-3     St.PaulHighlandPark, MinnehahaAcademy, HenrySibley,       SWC/Richfield,    RedWing
EC Minn   D3-4     Cambridge-Isanti,    SpringLakePark,   Mora/Milaca,       ChisagoLakes,     Princeton
WC Minn   D3-5     Becker/BigLake,      Willmar,          PrairieCentre,     SaukRapids-Rice,  Wadena-DeerCreek 
SC Minn   D3-6     Waseca,              Luverne,          Waconia,           Morris/Benson,    ProvidenceAcademy
NE Minn   D3-7     Ely,                 MooseLakeArea,    NorthShore,        Proctor,          Hibbing/Chisholm   
NW Minn   D3-8     ParkRapids,          Bagley/Fosston,   LakeoftheWoods,    RedLakeFalls,     Breckenridge/Wahpeton

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SE Minn   D2-1     AppleValley, NewPrague,        Northfield,    Faribault,  Owatonna, 
                   DodgeCounty, RochesterCentury, RochesterMayo, RochesterJohnMarshall  
				   
SC Minn   D2-2     MankatoEast, MankatoWest, Hutchinson, NewUlm, 
                   Marshall,    LDC,         RiverLakes, Sartell-St.Stephen 
				   
SE Metro  D2-3     EastRidge,      Woodbury,     ParkofCottageGrove, Tartan 
                   St.PaulJohnson, SouthSt.Paul, St.PaulAcademy,     Simley              
				   
NE Metro  D2-4     Centennial, CoonRapids, Totino-Grace, GentryAcademy, NorthBranch 
                   ForestLake, Roseville,  MoundsView,   Irondale       
				   
NW Metro  D2-5     Anoka,   ChamplinPark, Rogers, Orono,  Delano, 
                   Buffalo, Monticello,   Osseo,  St.Francis
				   
SW Metro  D2-6     Minneapolis, Breck,    Armstrong/Cooper, BloomingtonJefferson, BloomingtonKennedy, 
                   Hopkins,     Shakopee, Chanhassen,  MoundWestonka 
				              
NE Minn   D2-7     DuluthDenfeld, DuluthMarshall,  Greenway,      Eveleth-Gilbert, Virginia,  
                   IntrFalls,     NorthernLakes    PineCityArea   

NW Minn   D2-8     ThiefRiverFalls, LittleFalls,    Alexandria,   Bemidji,   Brainerd,
                   FergusFalls,     KittsonCentral, DetroitLakes, Crookston
				   
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I had posted this as a joke and an obvious shot at Hermantown...........didnt realize people had thought this out

[ndirishfighting]

Doesn’t look to bad but might have to do some juggling around with Eveleth/Virginia now combined.

Where would all this be held, if it ever got to this?

[Puck8]

Sweet! Sources are saying that they are initially leaning toward the following section assignments:
Enjoy - Doc

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A proposed Minnesota High School section alignment scheme
based on a 3-Tier system considering strength of program/ratings and Geo location.

D1 --> Top    40 teams   26.85%
D2 --> Middle 69 Teams   46.30%
D3 --> Bottom 40 Teams   26.85%



GEO       Div-Sec  Teams
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SE Minn   D1-1     LakevilleSouth,      LakevilleNorth,   Farmington,        Hastings,         PriorLake
WS Metro  D1-2     EdenPrairie,         HolyFamily,       Minnetonka,        Wayzata,          Chaska
SE Metro  D1-3     St.ThomasAcademy,    Eagan,            Eastview,          Rosemount,        Burnsville 
NE Metro  D1-4     Cretin-DerhamHall,   Hill-Murray,      WhiteBearLake,     Mahtomedi,        Stillwater
NW Metro  D1-5     Blaine,              Andover,          MapleGrove,        ElkRiver,         STMA
SW Metro  D1-6     Edina,               Blake,            BSM's,             St.LouisPark,     HolyAngels
NE Minn   D1-7     DuluthEast,          Hermantown,       GrandRapids,       Cloquet,          St.CloudUnited
NW Minn   D1-8     Moorhead,            Roseau,           Warroad,           EastGrandForks,   St.CloudCathedral

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SE Minn   D3-1     Austin,              LaCrescent,       RochesterLourdes,  AlbertLea,        Winona
SW Minn   D3-2     Fairmont,            RedwoodValley,    Worthington,       Windom,           MinnesotaRiver
SE Metro  D3-3     St.PaulHighlandPark, MinnehahaAcademy, HenrySibley,       SWC/Richfield,    RedWing
EC Minn   D3-4     Cambridge-Isanti,    SpringLakePark,   Mora/Milaca,       ChisagoLakes,     Princeton
WC Minn   D3-5     Becker/BigLake,      Willmar,          PrairieCentre,     SaukRapids-Rice,  Wadena-DeerCreek 
SC Minn   D3-6     Waseca,              Luverne,          Waconia,           Morris/Benson,    ProvidenceAcademy
NE Minn   D3-7     Ely,                 MooseLakeArea,    NorthShore,        Proctor,          Hibbing/Chisholm   
NW Minn   D3-8     ParkRapids,          Bagley/Fosston,   LakeoftheWoods,    RedLakeFalls,     Breckenridge/Wahpeton

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SE Minn   D2-1     AppleValley, NewPrague,        Northfield,    Faribault,  Owatonna, 
                   DodgeCounty, RochesterCentury, RochesterMayo, RochesterJohnMarshall  
				   
SC Minn   D2-2     MankatoEast, MankatoWest, Hutchinson, NewUlm, 
                   Marshall,    LDC,         RiverLakes, Sartell-St.Stephen 
				   
SE Metro  D2-3     EastRidge,      Woodbury,     ParkofCottageGrove, Tartan 
                   St.PaulJohnson, SouthSt.Paul, St.PaulAcademy,     Simley              
				   
NE Metro  D2-4     Centennial, CoonRapids, Totino-Grace, GentryAcademy, NorthBranch 
                   ForestLake, Roseville,  MoundsView,   Irondale       
				   
NW Metro  D2-5     Anoka,   ChamplinPark, Rogers, Orono,  Delano, 
                   Buffalo, Monticello,   Osseo,  St.Francis
				   
SW Metro  D2-6     Minneapolis, Breck,    Armstrong/Cooper, BloomingtonJefferson, BloomingtonKennedy, 
                   Hopkins,     Shakopee, Chanhassen,  MoundWestonka 
				              
NE Minn   D2-7     DuluthDenfeld, DuluthMarshall,  Greenway,      Eveleth-Gilbert, Virginia,  
                   IntrFalls,     NorthernLakes    PineCityArea   

NW Minn   D2-8     ThiefRiverFalls, LittleFalls,    Alexandria,   Bemidji,   Brainerd,
                   FergusFalls,     KittsonCentral, DetroitLakes, Crookston
				   
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I had posted this as a joke and an obvious shot at Hermantown...........didnt realize people had thought this out

It’s like one of the Onion stories where you can’t tell if they’re kidding. Speaks volumes to the state of affairs.

[OldManRiver]

Sweet! Sources are saying that they are initially leaning toward the following section assignments:
Enjoy - Doc

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A proposed Minnesota High School section alignment scheme
based on a 3-Tier system considering strength of program/ratings and Geo location.

D1 --> Top    40 teams   26.85%
D2 --> Middle 69 Teams   46.30%
D3 --> Bottom 40 Teams   26.85%



GEO       Div-Sec  Teams
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SE Minn   D1-1     LakevilleSouth,      LakevilleNorth,   Farmington,        Hastings,         PriorLake
WS Metro  D1-2     EdenPrairie,         HolyFamily,       Minnetonka,        Wayzata,          Chaska
SE Metro  D1-3     St.ThomasAcademy,    Eagan,            Eastview,          Rosemount,        Burnsville 
NE Metro  D1-4     Cretin-DerhamHall,   Hill-Murray,      WhiteBearLake,     Mahtomedi,        Stillwater
NW Metro  D1-5     Blaine,              Andover,          MapleGrove,        ElkRiver,         STMA
SW Metro  D1-6     Edina,               Blake,            BSM's,             St.LouisPark,     HolyAngels
NE Minn   D1-7     DuluthEast,          Hermantown,       GrandRapids,       Cloquet,          St.CloudUnited
NW Minn   D1-8     Moorhead,            Roseau,           Warroad,           EastGrandForks,   St.CloudCathedral

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SE Minn   D3-1     Austin,              LaCrescent,       RochesterLourdes,  AlbertLea,        Winona
SW Minn   D3-2     Fairmont,            RedwoodValley,    Worthington,       Windom,           MinnesotaRiver
SE Metro  D3-3     St.PaulHighlandPark, MinnehahaAcademy, HenrySibley,       SWC/Richfield,    RedWing
EC Minn   D3-4     Cambridge-Isanti,    SpringLakePark,   Mora/Milaca,       ChisagoLakes,     Princeton
WC Minn   D3-5     Becker/BigLake,      Willmar,          PrairieCentre,     SaukRapids-Rice,  Wadena-DeerCreek 
SC Minn   D3-6     Waseca,              Luverne,          Waconia,           Morris/Benson,    ProvidenceAcademy
NE Minn   D3-7     Ely,                 MooseLakeArea,    NorthShore,        Proctor,          Hibbing/Chisholm   
NW Minn   D3-8     ParkRapids,          Bagley/Fosston,   LakeoftheWoods,    RedLakeFalls,     Breckenridge/Wahpeton

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SE Minn   D2-1     AppleValley, NewPrague,        Northfield,    Faribault,  Owatonna, 
                   DodgeCounty, RochesterCentury, RochesterMayo, RochesterJohnMarshall  
				   
SC Minn   D2-2     MankatoEast, MankatoWest, Hutchinson, NewUlm, 
                   Marshall,    LDC,         RiverLakes, Sartell-St.Stephen 
				   
SE Metro  D2-3     EastRidge,      Woodbury,     ParkofCottageGrove, Tartan 
                   St.PaulJohnson, SouthSt.Paul, St.PaulAcademy,     Simley              
				   
NE Metro  D2-4     Centennial, CoonRapids, Totino-Grace, GentryAcademy, NorthBranch 
                   ForestLake, Roseville,  MoundsView,   Irondale       
				   
NW Metro  D2-5     Anoka,   ChamplinPark, Rogers, Orono,  Delano, 
                   Buffalo, Monticello,   Osseo,  St.Francis
				   
SW Metro  D2-6     Minneapolis, Breck,    Armstrong/Cooper, BloomingtonJefferson, BloomingtonKennedy, 
                   Hopkins,     Shakopee, Chanhassen,  MoundWestonka 
				              
NE Minn   D2-7     DuluthDenfeld, DuluthMarshall,  Greenway,      Eveleth-Gilbert, Virginia,  
                   IntrFalls,     NorthernLakes    PineCityArea   

NW Minn   D2-8     ThiefRiverFalls, LittleFalls,    Alexandria,   Bemidji,   Brainerd,
                   FergusFalls,     KittsonCentral, DetroitLakes, Crookston
				   
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Even in a fictitious scenario, we can't get away from getting our butt kicked by TG and Centennial....aargh!

[ifallsin64]

Where would all this be held, if it ever got to this?
[/quote]

Rumors I’ve heard is single A would be held at fryberger

[Joe2015]

Here is my version of how a potential three class state tournament would work: I just picked Mariucci and Ridder Arena just to lay out the plan. Not sure the logistics of using both those sites at the same time would work or not. So if you are more familair with Twin Cities rinks, by all means give me a better idea:

Wednesday:
Class A at Ridder
Class AA at Mariucci
Class AAA at Xcel

The Class AAA quarterfinals would be broadcast on 45 with Prep-spotlight TV picking up the other classes.

Thursday:
Class A Consolation Games at Ridder
Class AA Consolation Games at Mariucci

Class A semifinals at Xcel (morning)
Class AA semifinals at Xcel (evening)

Friday:
Class A Consolation and Third Place at Ridder
Class AA Consolation and Third Place at Mariucci

Class AAA Colsolation at Xcel (morning)
Class AAA Semifinals at Xcel (evening)

Saturday:
Class AAA Consolation and Third Place at Mariucci
Class A and Class AA Championship at Xcel (morning)
Class AAA Championship at Xcel (evening)

Now I can already hear the purists complaining about going away from the traditional "three games in three days format"; but I think the extra day off would be for the better as some years we have seen teams that just dont have their legs for the championship. This would alleviate that.

Also, you wouldnt be able to broadcast all the quarterfinals on 45. However, this was the best I could do with still using a Wednesday start date. You could start playing on Tuesday of course but that seems too far spread out.

What do you think?

[Section 8 guy]

I’d think the AAA quarters being on Wednesday would be a non starter. Just being honest.

[BSUBeaver]

I am kind of torn about games being played on Olympic ice.... I suppose that is just me.

Also, will we see a lawsuit filed by parents of the A and AA schools over "equal access", just as we did with Girls Hockey when they were not playing at the Xcel Center?

[Joe2015]

I am kind of torn about games being played on Olympic ice.... I suppose that is just me.

Also, will we see a lawsuit filed by parents of the A and AA schools over "equal access", just as we did with Girls Hockey when they were not playing at the Xcel Center?

Jeez didnt think of that: but not sure how you squeeze them all into Xcel unless you start on Tuesday. A on Tues, AA Wed, AAA on Thur. But squeezing 6 semi-finals into Friday would be near impossible.