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Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:54 am
by northwoods oldtimer
north_bear wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:17 am
northwoods oldtimer wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:40 am
norcon wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:25 pm

You go to that alignment and it just about becomes an all metro state tournament being there is rarely a participant from the southern part of the state. There needs to be two schools potentially representing the north down at the Excel!
Hockey is already metro centric as is all the sports, that is where the population resides.

Out state is getting older by the year and school enrollments dwindle each passing year. makes zero sense to have 2 northern team in one section. Where are your big hockey numbers coming from with no industry and no jobs?

Times and demographics stand to reason one northern section. Oh and what politicians are ramming down your throat in northern counties wont improve matters in the future.

Rochester hockey numbers used to drive section 1 success. Those days are over. Research the demographics of Rochester there you will find your answer.

Out!
Agree to disagree. There's just too many good hockey programs up north still. By cramming them all to one section it'll be Moorhead or Duluth east at state most years. Instead of both. And not sure how much sense it makes to have two teams in the same section on opposite sides of the state.

We've been hearing the fear mongering for years that northern hockey is dying... sure some small schools are struggling but it's a far cry from having to reorganize the 218 into one section...
Oh it's dying for sure. Here are the AA teams from the north.

Roseau
Moorhead
Bemidji
Brainerd
East
Rapids

Potentially out in 2021:
CEC
DM


Be helluva section <IF> these 8 teams were in the "all north section"! Home and home with these 7 would be quite a schedule and sections would be epic battle right from quarters!! GET ER DONE!!
Roseau
Moorhead
Bemidji
Brainerd
East
Rapids
CEC
**unnamed team**

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:41 pm
by Edinahopkins
I don’t get the bandwagon with everyone saying cloquet needs or should go to single A , they are not getting killed every season like ST Francis was . Maybe Elk River wants to drop down to single A with that logic , they have not made it to the state tournament sense 2001.

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:51 pm
by north_bear
MWS coach wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:50 am
north_bear wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:17 am
northwoods oldtimer wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:40 am


Hockey is already metro centric as is all the sports, that is where the population resides.

Out state is getting older by the year and school enrollments dwindle each passing year. makes zero sense to have 2 northern team in one section. Where are your big hockey numbers coming from with no industry and no jobs?

Times and demographics stand to reason one northern section. Oh and what politicians are ramming down your throat in northern counties wont improve matters in the future.

Rochester hockey numbers used to drive section 1 success. Those days are over. Research the demographics of Rochester there you will find your answer.

Out!
Agree to disagree. There's just too many good hockey programs up north still. By cramming them all to one section it'll be Moorhead or Duluth east at state most years. Instead of both. And not sure how much sense it makes to have two teams in the same section on opposite sides of the state.

We've been hearing the fear mongering for years that northern hockey is dying... sure some small schools are struggling but it's a far cry from having to reorganize the 218 into one section...
Your logic is flawed from a statistical standpoint.... Just take a quick look at section 6. Many good teams that won't make it to tourney. Riddle me this, there aren't really enough teams in 218 to make up a section, so how do you rationalize that they should have potentially 2 state tournament berths? For easy math, lets say 64 teams in AA, 8 a section, 8 teams in 218..... hmmmmm looks to me like 1/8 is representative of 218 doesn't it? Nope, 218 is entitled to potentially 2 spots because we are 218....
Jeez butt hurt your team isn't going to make the X this year? Or never has?

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:52 pm
by MWS coach
Edinahopkins wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:41 pm
I don’t get the bandwagon with everyone saying cloquet needs or should go to single A , they are not getting killed every season like ST Francis was . Maybe Elk River wants to drop down to single A with that logic , they have not made it to the state tournament sense 2001.
Since, not sense and it was 2005 last time trip to state for Elks, so yeah should move down to A...........

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:54 pm
by north_bear
blueline_6 wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:55 am
north_bear wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:35 pm
norcon wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:25 pm

You go to that alignment and it just about becomes an all metro state tournament being there is rarely a participant from the southern part of the state. There needs to be two schools potentially representing the north down at the Excel!
Yeah I would agree. Better to have 2 mostly northern sections instead of 1 all north section. The northern boys have been doing a fine job lately of representing the 218 at the X.
But...7AA and 8AA are NOT mostly Northern. Both are 50/50 as they stand.
Yeah, true. But how often does a southern team represent either section? Not often. The strength is the northern teams aside from a couple, northern suburban teams, otherwise they're mostly section bottom feeders.

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:58 pm
by MWS coach
north_bear wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:51 pm
MWS coach wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:50 am
north_bear wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:17 am


Agree to disagree. There's just too many good hockey programs up north still. By cramming them all to one section it'll be Moorhead or Duluth east at state most years. Instead of both. And not sure how much sense it makes to have two teams in the same section on opposite sides of the state.

We've been hearing the fear mongering for years that northern hockey is dying... sure some small schools are struggling but it's a far cry from having to reorganize the 218 into one section...
Your logic is flawed from a statistical standpoint.... Just take a quick look at section 6. Many good teams that won't make it to tourney. Riddle me this, there aren't really enough teams in 218 to make up a section, so how do you rationalize that they should have potentially 2 state tournament berths? For easy math, lets say 64 teams in AA, 8 a section, 8 teams in 218..... hmmmmm looks to me like 1/8 is representative of 218 doesn't it? Nope, 218 is entitled to potentially 2 spots because we are 218....
Jeez butt hurt your team isn't going to make the X this year? Or never has?
Way to add value! yep take a shot instead of providing a logical response :roll:

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:16 pm
by Edinahopkins
Since, not sense and it was 2005 last time trip to state for Elks, so yeah should move down to A...........
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My bad coach , but this is still not answering my question why would cloquet move down. Let’s say Andover stumbles to Grand Rapids assuming Rapids beats Elk River , cloquet would be the most recent team to state behind Grand Rapids and Duluth East not counting anoka or when Duluth Marshall was single A. Cloquet is not getting beat down , I just don’t understand the purpose besides trying to trophy hunt in the little tourney.

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:20 pm
by MWS coach
Edinahopkins wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:16 pm
Since, not sense and it was 2005 last time trip to state for Elks, so yeah should move down to A...........
My bad coach , but this is still not answering my question why would cloquet move down. Let’s say Andover stumbles to Grand Rapids assuming Rapids beats Elk River , cloquet would be the most recent team to state behind Grand Rapids and Duluth East not counting anoka or when Duluth Marshall was single A. Cloquet is not getting beat down , I just don’t understand the purpose besides trying to trophy hunt in the little tourney.
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I can't answer that question... I don't get it either. While they are Class A in size, thus eligible they don't put a class A product on the ice. I guess maybe those that want to see them move down want to chase the trophy like a school close by?

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:23 pm
by northwoods oldtimer
Edinahopkins wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:41 pm
I don’t get the bandwagon with everyone saying cloquet needs or should go to single A , they are not getting killed every season like ST Francis was . Maybe Elk River wants to drop down to single A with that logic , they have not made it to the state tournament sense 2001.
@Edinahopkins agree on old CEC. STAY IN AA =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:08 pm
by HSPuckFan96
Edinahopkins wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:16 pm
Since, not sense and it was 2005 last time trip to state for Elks, so yeah should move down to A...........
My bad coach , but this is still not answering my question why would cloquet move down. Let’s say Andover stumbles to Grand Rapids assuming Rapids beats Elk River , cloquet would be the most recent team to state behind Grand Rapids and Duluth East not counting anoka or when Duluth Marshall was single A. Cloquet is not getting beat down , I just don’t understand the purpose besides trying to trophy hunt in the little tourney.
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Pretty sure the talk of CEC opting to go A has been suggested and pushed by kniven, who is a CEC supporter. If others are saying it, it's because it has been suggested by that poster, and supposedly supported by people in CEC

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:28 pm
by Bulldog4life
CEC is not going down to A!

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:48 pm
by Section 8 guy
For more information on this topic please look back to see the same thread that has taken place every year for the last 20 years. What has changed in the last 20 years? Nothing. What is going to change in the next 20 years? Nothing. The State High School League couldn’t be more clear about that. There’s nothing to see here. Please move along.

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:14 pm
by northwoods oldtimer
Bulldog4life wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:28 pm
CEC is not going down to A!
OUTSTANDING!!! =D> =D> =D>

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:37 pm
by Upfan111
Bulldog4life wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:28 pm
CEC is not going down to A!
This is like a Kniven post, and a first one too. Although I hope it's true, how do you know for sure?

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:23 pm
by Bulldog4life
There are too many old school guys in Cloquet that would never allow this to happen. Right or wrong, I agree with them. Play the best competition.
A Kniven like post? Kniven is an Esko guy and I'm guessing that's where some/most of his info is coming from. That might have been my first post but even I know Langenbrunner didn't move to the cities to be closer to the airport for work. [-X

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:30 pm
by northwoods oldtimer
Bulldog4life wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:23 pm
There are too many old school guys in Cloquet that would never allow this to happen. Right or wrong, I agree with them. Play the best competition.
A Kniven like post? Kniven is an Esko guy and I'm guessing that's where some/most of his info is coming from. That might have been my first post but even I know Langenbrunner didn't move to the cities to be closer to the airport for work. [-X
OUTSTANDING!!! Thanks for posting Bulldog4life! Not sure why you deserved the off handed "A Kniven like post?" Not warranted at all. [-X [-X

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:34 pm
by norcon
Section 8 guy wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:48 pm
For more information on this topic please look back to see the same thread that has taken place every year for the last 20 years. What has changed in the last 20 years? Nothing. What is going to change in the next 20 years? Nothing. The State High School League couldn’t be more clear about that. There’s nothing to see here. Please move along.
Well said!

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:44 pm
by northwoods oldtimer
Okie dokie now that Bulldog4life has chimed in an Cloquet ain't going nowhere. [-o< We almost got us an all north section that will make 'citiouts' and 'flannelheads' a happy camper lot!! Need 8 or the 'citiots' will claim conspiracy. So up to the hive to find us a team worthy of CLASS AA distinction. Thanks Bulldog4life for setting us rubes straight!

1. Cloquet
2. Roseau
3. Moorhead
4. Bemidji
5. Brainerd
6. East
7. Rapids
8. ???
Anybody have opinion who could fill the 8 spot from the north? BTW numbers added for norcon :lol:

Section 7AA you can have Fogerty Arena til Kingdom Come!! sayonara, adios, been good knowing ya!

Hey "ImmigrantADFan" you might like this for scheduling purposes :wink:

Section 8, all north hate, doing great, past '28!!

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:27 pm
by Upfan111
northwoods oldtimer wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:30 pm
Bulldog4life wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:23 pm
There are too many old school guys in Cloquet that would never allow this to happen. Right or wrong, I agree with them. Play the best competition.
A Kniven like post? Kniven is an Esko guy and I'm guessing that's where some/most of his info is coming from. That might have been my first post but even I know Langenbrunner didn't move to the cities to be closer to the airport for work. [-X
OUTSTANDING!!! Thanks for posting Bulldog4life! Not sure why you deserved the off handed "A Kniven like post?" Not warranted at all. [-X [-X
Come on Northwoods, you can figure this one out. Right?!? :wink:

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:30 pm
by grindiangrad-80
northwoods oldtimer wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:44 pm
Okie dokie now that Bulldog4life has chimed in an Cloquet ain't going nowhere. [-o< We almost got us an all north section that will make 'citiouts' and 'flannelheads' a happy camper lot!! Need 8 or the 'citiots' will claim conspiracy. So up to the hive to find us a team worthy of CLASS AA distinction. Thanks Bulldog4life for setting us rubes straight!

1. Cloquet
2. Roseau
3. Moorhead
4. Bemidji
5. Brainerd
6. East
7. Rapids
8. ???
Anybody have opinion who could fill the 8 spot from the north? BTW numbers added for norcon :lol:

Section 7AA you can have Fogerty Arena til Kingdom Come!! sayonara, adios, been good knowing ya!

Hey "ImmigrantADFan" you might like this for scheduling purposes :wink:

Section 8, all north hate, doing great, past '28!!
How about Warroad?

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:50 pm
by hockey59
We all know who the 8th team should be, a fricken half wit idiot knows who the 8th team should be [-X

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:27 am
by norcon
northwoods oldtimer wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:44 pm
Okie dokie now that Bulldog4life has chimed in an Cloquet ain't going nowhere. [-o< We almost got us an all north section that will make 'citiouts' and 'flannelheads' a happy camper lot!! Need 8 or the 'citiots' will claim conspiracy. So up to the hive to find us a team worthy of CLASS AA distinction. Thanks Bulldog4life for setting us rubes straight!

1. Cloquet
2. Roseau
3. Moorhead
4. Bemidji
5. Brainerd
6. East
7. Rapids
8. ???
Anybody have opinion who could fill the 8 spot from the north? BTW numbers added for norcon :lol:

Section 7AA you can have Fogerty Arena til Kingdom Come!! sayonara, adios, been good knowing ya!

Hey "ImmigrantADFan" you might like this for scheduling purposes :wink:

Section 8, all north hate, doing great, past '28!!
I like this proposal if the MSHSL goes back to having seven sections and our runner up gets in the big tourney via the back door.
Just like the old days😎

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:46 pm
by northwoods oldtimer
norcon wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:27 am
northwoods oldtimer wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:44 pm
Okie dokie now that Bulldog4life has chimed in an Cloquet ain't going nowhere. [-o< We almost got us an all north section that will make 'citiouts' and 'flannelheads' a happy camper lot!! Need 8 or the 'citiots' will claim conspiracy. So up to the hive to find us a team worthy of CLASS AA distinction. Thanks Bulldog4life for setting us rubes straight!

1. Cloquet
2. Roseau
3. Moorhead
4. Bemidji
5. Brainerd
6. East
7. Rapids
8. ???
Anybody have opinion who could fill the 8 spot from the north? BTW numbers added for norcon :lol:

Section 7AA you can have Fogerty Arena til Kingdom Come!! sayonara, adios, been good knowing ya!

Hey "ImmigrantADFan" you might like this for scheduling purposes :wink:

Section 8, all north hate, doing great, past '28!!
I like this proposal if the MSHSL goes back to having seven sections and our runner up gets in the big tourney via the back door.
Just like the old days😎
Agreed sir!! =D>

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:10 am
by BodyShots
Wait a minute. 35 pages and not one comment on quarterfinal Saturday? Blasphemy.

Re: 7AA 2019-2020

Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:24 pm
by Edinahopkins
I think Andover wins Thursday but I have doubted Elk River before, I also think both teams make it back to the final again next year also.