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Elk River seeding

Post by HappyHockeyFan » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:31 am

I think Cloquet and Duluth Marshall got a bad deal, I have them both ranked much higher than Elk River yet ER gets seeded over them?? I don't even have ER in my top 20. Any thoughts?
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Post by MWS coach » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:38 am

KARMA? Tough to collaborate with a computer!

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Post by alcloseshaver » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:12 am

Then put Elk River in your top 20, problem solved.

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Post by alcloseshaver » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:23 am

I usually don't look at your rankings because Karl is the source on this site for rankings but what formula doesn't have ER in the top 20?.

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Re: Elk River seeding

Post by GopherHockey » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:41 am

HappyHockeyFan wrote:I think Cloquet and Duluth Marshall got a bad deal, I have them both ranked much higher than Elk River yet ER gets seeded over them?? I don't even have ER in my top 20. Any thoughts?
Call the committee and let them know :lol:

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Re: Elk River seeding

Post by Traxler » Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:54 am

HappyHockeyFan wrote:I think Cloquet and Duluth Marshall got a bad deal, I have them both ranked much higher than Elk River yet ER gets seeded over them?? I don't even have ER in my top 20. Any thoughts?
My thoughts are that while the QRF has its flaws, I am glad 7AA is not using your rankings to seed.

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Post by Schotzy » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:40 am

Yeah, while your rankings have their entertainment value, I think that is all they are good for, entertainment. Not a lot of accuracy when you eliminate certain stats. I think the QRF got it pretty close to spot on. A few misses here and there, but nothing drastic.

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Post by kniven » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:48 am

alcloseshaver wrote:I usually don't look at your rankings because Karl is the source on this site for rankings but what formula doesn't have ER in the top 20?.
Agreed

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Post by HappyHockeyFan » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:25 pm

Well you can say what you want about my rankings but Elk River has earned considerable less points than Cloquet and Duluth Marshall:

Cloquet-Esko - 215.5
Duluth Marshall - 175.5
Elk River - 131

Section wins:

Cloquet-Esko - Duluth East, Duluth Marshall, Grand Rapids and another tie with Duluth East.

Duluth Marshall - Forest Lake, Grand Rapids, tie with Duluth East

Elk River - Andover, Grand Rapids

If you want to argue ER over Duluth Marshall, maybe, but over Cloquet?? No way. I wont be a bit surprised if ER loses to Forest Lake, but hey, you wanna love on ER and the "Other" rankings, go for it. All I can say about ER is ... "Over Rated" said like the tournament chant. :lol:
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Post by Traxler » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:43 pm

HappyHockeyFan wrote:Well you can say what you want about my rankings but Elk River has earned considerable less points than Cloquet and Duluth Marshall:

Cloquet-Esko - 215.5
Duluth Marshall - 175.5
Elk River - 131

Section wins:

Cloquet-Esko - Duluth East, Duluth Marshall, Grand Rapids and another tie with Duluth East.

Duluth Marshall - Forest Lake, Grand Rapids, tie with Duluth East

Elk River - Andover, Grand Rapids

If you want to argue ER over Duluth Marshall, maybe, but over Cloquet?? No way. I wont be a bit surprised if ER loses to Forest Lake, but hey, you wanna love on ER and the "Other" rankings, go for it. All I can say about ER is ... "Over Rated" said like the tournament chant. :lol:
You are demonstrating how poorly your ranking formula represents what teams have accomplished.

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Post by HappyHockeyFan » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:52 pm

Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:Well you can say what you want about my rankings but Elk River has earned considerable less points than Cloquet and Duluth Marshall:

Cloquet-Esko - 215.5
Duluth Marshall - 175.5
Elk River - 131

Section wins:

Cloquet-Esko - Duluth East, Duluth Marshall, Grand Rapids and another tie with Duluth East.

Duluth Marshall - Forest Lake, Grand Rapids, tie with Duluth East

Elk River - Andover, Grand Rapids

If you want to argue ER over Duluth Marshall, maybe, but over Cloquet?? No way. I wont be a bit surprised if ER loses to Forest Lake, but hey, you wanna love on ER and the "Other" rankings, go for it. All I can say about ER is ... "Over Rated" said like the tournament chant. :lol:
You are demonstrating how poorly your ranking formula represents what teams have accomplished.
But yet 90% of my ranking closely matches the other rankings, you make no sense, please tell what ER has done to deserve a top twenty ranking or a #3 seed. Your quick to criticize but you give me nothing to prove your point.
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Post by Traxler » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:02 pm

HappyHockeyFan wrote:
Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:Well you can say what you want about my rankings but Elk River has earned considerable less points than Cloquet and Duluth Marshall:

Cloquet-Esko - 215.5
Duluth Marshall - 175.5
Elk River - 131

Section wins:

Cloquet-Esko - Duluth East, Duluth Marshall, Grand Rapids and another tie with Duluth East.

Duluth Marshall - Forest Lake, Grand Rapids, tie with Duluth East

Elk River - Andover, Grand Rapids

If you want to argue ER over Duluth Marshall, maybe, but over Cloquet?? No way. I wont be a bit surprised if ER loses to Forest Lake, but hey, you wanna love on ER and the "Other" rankings, go for it. All I can say about ER is ... "Over Rated" said like the tournament chant. :lol:
You are demonstrating how poorly your ranking formula represents what teams have accomplished.
But yet 90% of my ranking closely matches the other rankings, you make no sense, please tell what ER has done to deserve a top twenty ranking or a #3 seed. Your quick to criticize but you give me nothing to prove your point.
I guess your rankings are about 90% correct.

You asked for thoughts and I gave you my thoughts. If you can’t handle that, why do you ask?

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Post by HappyHockeyFan » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:07 pm

Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:
Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:Well you can say what you want about my rankings but Elk River has earned considerable less points than Cloquet and Duluth Marshall:

Cloquet-Esko - 215.5
Duluth Marshall - 175.5
Elk River - 131

Section wins:

Cloquet-Esko - Duluth East, Duluth Marshall, Grand Rapids and another tie with Duluth East.

Duluth Marshall - Forest Lake, Grand Rapids, tie with Duluth East

Elk River - Andover, Grand Rapids

If you want to argue ER over Duluth Marshall, maybe, but over Cloquet?? No way. I wont be a bit surprised if ER loses to Forest Lake, but hey, you wanna love on ER and the "Other" rankings, go for it. All I can say about ER is ... "Over Rated" said like the tournament chant. :lol:
You are demonstrating how poorly your ranking formula represents what teams have accomplished.
But yet 90% of my ranking closely matches the other rankings, you make no sense, please tell what ER has done to deserve a top twenty ranking or a #3 seed. Your quick to criticize but you give me nothing to prove your point.
I guess your rankings are about 90% correct.

You asked for thoughts and I gave you my thoughts. If you can’t handle that, why do you ask?
I would appreciate your thoughts if you would include a valid argument as to why you think I am wrong or whatever instead of doing a drive by. But hey, if that's all ya got then whatever.
It's not the Best players, it's the Right players! HB

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Post by Traxler » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:12 pm

HappyHockeyFan wrote:
Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:
Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:Well you can say what you want about my rankings but Elk River has earned considerable less points than Cloquet and Duluth Marshall:

Cloquet-Esko - 215.5
Duluth Marshall - 175.5
Elk River - 131

Section wins:

Cloquet-Esko - Duluth East, Duluth Marshall, Grand Rapids and another tie with Duluth East.

Duluth Marshall - Forest Lake, Grand Rapids, tie with Duluth East

Elk River - Andover, Grand Rapids

If you want to argue ER over Duluth Marshall, maybe, but over Cloquet?? No way. I wont be a bit surprised if ER loses to Forest Lake, but hey, you wanna love on ER and the "Other" rankings, go for it. All I can say about ER is ... "Over Rated" said like the tournament chant. :lol:
You are demonstrating how poorly your ranking formula represents what teams have accomplished.
But yet 90% of my ranking closely matches the other rankings, you make no sense, please tell what ER has done to deserve a top twenty ranking or a #3 seed. Your quick to criticize but you give me nothing to prove your point.
I guess your rankings are about 90% correct.

You asked for thoughts and I gave you my thoughts. If you can’t handle that, why do you ask?
I would appreciate your thoughts if you would include a valid argument as to why you think I am wrong or whatever instead of doing a drive by. But hey, if that's all ya got then whatever.
You don’t think they beat Eden Prairie or Hill-Murray. The rest of us recognize OT wins.

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Post by HappyHockeyFan » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:29 pm

Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:
Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:
Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:Well you can say what you want about my rankings but Elk River has earned considerable less points than Cloquet and Duluth Marshall:

Cloquet-Esko - 215.5
Duluth Marshall - 175.5
Elk River - 131

Section wins:

Cloquet-Esko - Duluth East, Duluth Marshall, Grand Rapids and another tie with Duluth East.

Duluth Marshall - Forest Lake, Grand Rapids, tie with Duluth East

Elk River - Andover, Grand Rapids

If you want to argue ER over Duluth Marshall, maybe, but over Cloquet?? No way. I wont be a bit surprised if ER loses to Forest Lake, but hey, you wanna love on ER and the "Other" rankings, go for it. All I can say about ER is ... "Over Rated" said like the tournament chant. :lol:
You are demonstrating how poorly your ranking formula represents what teams have accomplished.
But yet 90% of my ranking closely matches the other rankings, you make no sense, please tell what ER has done to deserve a top twenty ranking or a #3 seed. Your quick to criticize but you give me nothing to prove your point.
I guess your rankings are about 90% correct.

You asked for thoughts and I gave you my thoughts. If you can’t handle that, why do you ask?
I would appreciate your thoughts if you would include a valid argument as to why you think I am wrong or whatever instead of doing a drive by. But hey, if that's all ya got then whatever.
You don’t think they beat Eden Prairie or Hill-Murray. The rest of us recognize OT wins.
Ok, give them the EP win, that still only makes them 2-6 against ranked teams, and Hill isn't ranked. I think coming into the season it was thought that ER was going to be a top team, it hasn't panned out that way but some people don't seem to want to let that idea go. But the proof is in the pudding, results, they are a good team but not a top team.
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Post by Traxler » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:20 pm

People didn’t give ER the 3 seed. A computer ranking system did.

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Post by green4 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:26 pm

HappyHockeyFan wrote:
Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:
Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:
Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:Well you can say what you want about my rankings but Elk River has earned considerable less points than Cloquet and Duluth Marshall:

Cloquet-Esko - 215.5
Duluth Marshall - 175.5
Elk River - 131

Section wins:

Cloquet-Esko - Duluth East, Duluth Marshall, Grand Rapids and another tie with Duluth East.

Duluth Marshall - Forest Lake, Grand Rapids, tie with Duluth East

Elk River - Andover, Grand Rapids

If you want to argue ER over Duluth Marshall, maybe, but over Cloquet?? No way. I wont be a bit surprised if ER loses to Forest Lake, but hey, you wanna love on ER and the "Other" rankings, go for it. All I can say about ER is ... "Over Rated" said like the tournament chant. :lol:
You are demonstrating how poorly your ranking formula represents what teams have accomplished.
But yet 90% of my ranking closely matches the other rankings, you make no sense, please tell what ER has done to deserve a top twenty ranking or a #3 seed. Your quick to criticize but you give me nothing to prove your point.
I guess your rankings are about 90% correct.

You asked for thoughts and I gave you my thoughts. If you can’t handle that, why do you ask?
I would appreciate your thoughts if you would include a valid argument as to why you think I am wrong or whatever instead of doing a drive by. But hey, if that's all ya got then whatever.
You don’t think they beat Eden Prairie or Hill-Murray. The rest of us recognize OT wins.
Ok, give them the EP win, that still only makes them 2-6 against ranked teams, and Hill isn't ranked. I think coming into the season it was thought that ER was going to be a top team, it hasn't panned out that way but some people don't seem to want to let that idea go. But the proof is in the pudding, results, they are a good team but not a top team.
Hill-Murray is ranked 20th in the rankings this week :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

In a more serious note, you should give more context to your numbers. Just tossing out random numbers gives no context if I don't know the value of the number. Maybe list out the numbers for all the teams in section 7AA so I can understand it better

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Post by O-townClown » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:59 pm

HappyHockeyFan wrote:Well you can say what you want about my rankings but Elk River has earned considerable less points than Cloquet and Duluth Marshall:
Since you know so much more than everyone else you'll no doubt clean up in the Pick 6 and state tourney pick 'em.
Be kind. Rewind.

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Post by HappyHockeyFan » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:30 pm

green4 wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:
Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:
Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:
Traxler wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:Well you can say what you want about my rankings but Elk River has earned considerable less points than Cloquet and Duluth Marshall:

Cloquet-Esko - 215.5
Duluth Marshall - 175.5
Elk River - 131

Section wins:

Cloquet-Esko - Duluth East, Duluth Marshall, Grand Rapids and another tie with Duluth East.

Duluth Marshall - Forest Lake, Grand Rapids, tie with Duluth East

Elk River - Andover, Grand Rapids

If you want to argue ER over Duluth Marshall, maybe, but over Cloquet?? No way. I wont be a bit surprised if ER loses to Forest Lake, but hey, you wanna love on ER and the "Other" rankings, go for it. All I can say about ER is ... "Over Rated" said like the tournament chant. :lol:
You are demonstrating how poorly your ranking formula represents what teams have accomplished.
But yet 90% of my ranking closely matches the other rankings, you make no sense, please tell what ER has done to deserve a top twenty ranking or a #3 seed. Your quick to criticize but you give me nothing to prove your point.
I guess your rankings are about 90% correct.

You asked for thoughts and I gave you my thoughts. If you can’t handle that, why do you ask?
I would appreciate your thoughts if you would include a valid argument as to why you think I am wrong or whatever instead of doing a drive by. But hey, if that's all ya got then whatever.
You don’t think they beat Eden Prairie or Hill-Murray. The rest of us recognize OT wins.
Ok, give them the EP win, that still only makes them 2-6 against ranked teams, and Hill isn't ranked. I think coming into the season it was thought that ER was going to be a top team, it hasn't panned out that way but some people don't seem to want to let that idea go. But the proof is in the pudding, results, they are a good team but not a top team.
Hill-Murray is ranked 20th in the rankings this week :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

In a more serious note, you should give more context to your numbers. Just tossing out random numbers gives no context if I don't know the value of the number. Maybe list out the numbers for all the teams in section 7AA so I can understand it better
Well, I use LPH and their rankings don't come out until Tuesday, so... :lol: And here are your requested numbers for all of section 7 as my formula has it:

Duluth East - 323.5
Andover - 221
Cloquet-Esko - 215.5
Duluth Marshall - 175.5
Elk River - 131
Forest Lake - 130
St Francis - 67.5
Grand Rapids - 63
Cambridge-Isanti - 12
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Post by HappyHockeyFan » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:41 pm

O-townClown wrote:
HappyHockeyFan wrote:Well you can say what you want about my rankings but Elk River has earned considerable less points than Cloquet and Duluth Marshall:
Since you know so much more than everyone else you'll no doubt clean up in the Pick 6 and state tourney pick 'em.
That's why I don't play, give everybody else a chance! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by CB00 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:12 pm

Quote from Happy
If you want to argue ER over Duluth Marshall, maybe, but over Cloquet?? No way. I wont be a bit surprised if ER loses to Forest Lake, but hey, you wanna love on ER and the "Other" rankings, go for it. All I can say about ER is ... "Over Rated"

Might want to take another math class and adjust your system.

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