The Hermantown Thread

[Wise Old Man]

"nu2hockey", please answer this question; do you agree that Hermantown has a unique and distinct advantage regarding open-enrollment that literally no other Class "A" team in our state has?

[Hunters1993]

It has been proven. By people involved in the program even. There has been proven. Take your head out of the sand.

Nothing against the rules has been proven...lots of conjecture....if any thing is proven the forum will blow up..lots of fun to be had at that point

Look, pull you thumb out of your mouth, change your diaper and suck it up, buttercup..."there's no crying in hockey"...(unless you're in 7a, apparently)

Yes because the AD and coach gave also benefited greatly from these transfers. Why would they want to upset the money truck, they have no integrity to do any work to investigate. MSHSL will not investigate till an AD or someone with integrity brings it to the forefront , won’t happen.

[Hunters1993]

Enjoy your section 7 all stars team, just call it what it is, an all star team. Not a community hockey team!

[kniven]

Enjoy your section 7 all stars team, just call it what it is, an all star team. Not a community hockey team!

Why don’t the other 7A teams join the other A teams in the state that aren’t bluebloods leave the MSHSL and form their own club league/state tournament?

[Hunters1993]

Why don’t the Hermantown team join The league that SSM is in. You both recruit. Hermantown doesn’t follow amSHSL rules so why not just do that. Then no one can scream recruit or tgat you don’t have integrity, ethics. Which Hermantown AD has none of.

At least call your team section 7 all stars and have the kids where their hometown jerseys during season. Then everyone knows what’s going on.

[Wise Old Man]

"Why don’t the other 7A teams join the other A teams in the state that aren’t bluebloods leave the MSHSL and form their own club league/state tournament?"

"Kniven", have you heard the old axiom "don't ask a question you don't already know the answer to"? So... why don't you think the other 7A teams in the state that aren't blue bloods will leave the MSHSL and form their own club league?

[kniven]

"Why don’t the other 7A teams join the other A teams in the state that aren’t bluebloods leave the MSHSL and form their own club league/state tournament?"

"Kniven", have you heard the old axiom "don't ask a question you don't already know the answer to"? So... why don't you think the other 7A teams in the state that aren't blue bloods will leave the MSHSL and form their own club league?

no..not just 7A....the entire state. every A section where they can't compete with the singleA bluebloods. i don't see a problem. i don't know why they would not

[Hunters1993]

Let’s just call Hermantown hockey what it is. A section 7 all star team. We should just put jerseys on the kids from where they originally started playing hockey and extinguish this small community hockey view of the hockey team.

You can have all the transfers and such but let’s put Ely Jersey on Ely kid, Virginia jersey on jersey kid, etc. let everyone see that these kids are not Hermantown grown and there is no special Hermantown magic dust that is dropped on these kids once they enter Hermantown hockey. They would have been all stars whether they stayed where they are from or moved.

If the kids see. That Hermantown is just an old ugly donkey that kids are riding to the X. There is no jealousy of the Hermantown program. No one is saying how wonderful the coaching is, how wonderful the school is, or how great the community is. They just see a school that can get them to the X to play on tv.

Stay in school
No stay in your school.

[Hunters1993]

It has been proven. By people involved in the program even. There has been proven. Take your head out of the sand.

Nothing against the rules has been proven...lots of conjecture....if any thing is proven the forum will blow up..lots of fun to be had at that point

Look, pull you thumb out of your mouth, change your diaper and suck it up, buttercup..."there's no crying in hockey"...(unless you're in 7a, apparently)

Wasn’t there a article in duluth news tribune about a year ago where people in the school district pointed out specifics of this transfer issue? It was on the school board article, funny thing there were several folks who all spoke out at meeting, think it might have been a Pionk! When people from inside own district point it out, hard to not believe it!

[Hunters1993]

It has been proven. By people involved in the program even. There has been proven. Take your head out of the sand.

Nothing against the rules has been proven...lots of conjecture....if any thing is proven the forum will blow up..lots of fun to be had at that point

Look, pull you thumb out of your mouth, change your diaper and suck it up, buttercup..."there's no crying in hockey"...(unless you're in 7a, apparently)

Wasn’t there a article in duluth news tribune about a year ago where people in the school district pointed out specifics of this transfer issue? It was on the school board article, funny thing there were several folks who all spoke out at meeting, think it might have been a Pionk! When people from inside own district point it out, hard to not believe it!


Also noticed no meetings minutes on Hermantown hockey website from Jan, feb, March. How come?

[MNHockeyFan]

Let’s just call Hermantown hockey what it is. A section 7 all star team.

From what I've been reading here it's a Section 7, Class A team with a great farm system.

[Hunters1993]

Yes if you consider Ely, Virginia, Denfeld, Proctor a farm system.

Getting people to get the free ride to state on the old, ugly donkey tgat is Hermantown hockey!

[Hunters1993]

I was reading an article on duluth news tribune in 2017 about how the last time the Hermantown team lost to a class A school in regular season. Is it still 2013? Is this run still activeHermantown.

Scott Pionk called you out back in 2017 in meeting. Old coach called you out. Andrews said it was a matter of time. Or are the parents still dependent on rolling all over the class A hockey.

[Wise Old Man]

"Why don’t the other 7A teams join the other A teams in the state that aren’t bluebloods leave the MSHSL and form their own club league/state tournament?"

"Kniven", have you heard the old axiom "don't ask a question you don't already know the answer to"? So... why don't you think the other 7A teams in the state that aren't blue bloods will leave the MSHSL and form their own club league?

no..not just 7A....the entire state. every A section where they can't compete with the singleA bluebloods. i don't see a problem. i don't know why they would not

"Why don’t the other 7A teams join the other A teams in the state that aren’t bluebloods leave the MSHSL and form their own club league/state tournament?"

"Kniven", have you heard the old axiom "don't ask a question you don't already know the answer to"? So... why don't you think the other 7A teams in the state that aren't blue bloods will leave the MSHSL and form their own club league?

no..not just 7A....the entire state. every A section where they can't compete with the singleA bluebloods. i don't see a problem. i don't know why they would not

"Kniven", please go back and reread my post. I understood that in your post you rhetorically asked not just about the other 7A teams but, also any other Class A team from anywhere else in the state in regards to why they wouldn't just leave the MSHSL and go form their own league. Since you stated that you don't see a problem, I'll explain some of the "problems" that would prevent those schools from pursuing your idea.

The main reason is, the only other "league"/"governing body" you could join where you wouldn't significantly increase the costs to the parents/players would be USA Hockey. Remember Kniven, the maximum cost per player that any school charges for their athletic fee for hockey is $500. With the average being around $375. Now, at some schools there is a "booster club" fee that parents are asked to pay for as well and that varies from school to school. Plus, every high school program I'm aware of that does the booster club thing, provides families with a fund-raiser of some kind so they can avoid paying that extra money out of pocket. The point being, for the level of play and coaching that's generally available in Minnesota high school hockey, it is extremely inexpensive compared to what playing 16U Tier I/II is in almost every other area of the U.S.

In most of the better Tier I/II programs around the country, it's literally $10,000 just to get in the door! Then there are monthly assessments that can average as much as $500 per month. And remember, their season starts on Labor Day weekend and runs through the end of March or early April. The point is, those costs in a program comparable to many Minnesota varsity programs are as much as 20 times more expensive PER SEASON! Which is why the vast, vast majority of parents, not to mention ADs or coaches, would never agree to do a "Shattuck type" model even if Minnesota Hockey were to approve it. So, even if a high school were to "leave the MSHSL just for hockey" -- which, by the way, I'm not sure is even allowed -- and try to go the USA Hockey route, again, they would be governed by Minnesota Hockey and, the level that Minnesota Hockey would make you play in would be Junior Gold "A". Also, despite the fact that some of the metro Jr. Gold "A" teams -- Minnetonka, Wayzata, Edina, Eden Prairie, just to name a few -- would be very competitive with many varsity Class "A" teams, most of the parents of the players from those Class "A" schools that might consider such a move would go crazy if their school's AD or coach ever suggested it and, there would likely be a huge defection of players from the youth program within a year or two.

Next, because there are so few Jr. Gold teams in the northern half of the state -- this year, Duluth, Cloquet, and Moorhead were the only teams north of the metro and were all "B" teams, not "A" -- even if all the other teams in 7A would do the Jr. Gold route, that still only leaves 11 teams, including Moorhead, which you'd have to play in a league. Which would increase your overall costs significantly over the normal high school costs as most Jr. Gold teams play between 40-50 games per year and, at least half of those games would need to be played in tournaments in the Twin Cities. And, there are other reasons as well why high school teams would never attempt to leave the MSHSL but, these are bigger ones.

On a different but similar topic, I have argued for some years now that instead of having high school JV teams, those should be replaced by U16/Jr. Gold teams that would obviously need to be registered through Minnesota Hockey/USA Hockey. However, we would still select the U16/Jr. Gold teams based on school attendance and, have those teams act as a high school's JV team. Number one, it would reduce costs for the high school as the U16/Jr. Gold teams would be run through the local youth hockey association. To include allowing season-long roster flexibility -- at least through the week before the high school playoffs start -- so that the players from the U16/Jr. Gold team could be moved back and forth from the varsity team as needed, whether to give the varsity coach more time to figure out who his 4th line might be come playoffs or, due to sickness/injury during the season.

You could even stipulate that the high school varsity coach had to pick up to, but not more than, 6 players from both the U16 and varsity team as soon as the teams were initially selected as the players he could move between the teams during the season in order to minimize the number of players that would need to be double registered with both the Federation and USA Hockey. The other benefit is that the players on the U16/Jr. Gold teams could play double the number of games that a JV team could. Now again, the cost for a U16 team would definitely be more than playing on the high school team(s) but, as already stated, you'd get way more games and practices for that extra money. The other current challenge to this is that last summer, Minnesota Hockey -- in an effort to limit/minimize the creation of any more "Gentry type" hockey academies from forming, passed a new rule saying that moving forward, no Minnesota Hockey registered teams would be allowed to be formed strictly based on school attendance. For instance, although Duluth's youth teams were "grandfathered" in, if they were playing by the new rule they could no longer have "East End" and "Denfeld" pee wee and bantam teams. Instead, all of the teams -- whether they were "AA", "A", or "B", would have to be "all city" teams comprised of kids from both sides of town. Thus, for my "U16/Jr. Gold as the JV" idea to work, Minnesota Hockey would need to adjust the new rule so it allowed an exemption for the teams that were formed based on player attendance at a school with an MSHSL registered varsity team (thus hopefully still preventing any more "hockey academies" from forming). Again, just an idea that I've had floating around for awhile now.

[defense]

"nu2hockey", please answer this question; do you agree that Hermantown has a unique and distinct advantage regarding open-enrollment that literally no other Class "A" team in our state has?

Not trying to jump in, but I believe schools all over the metro have these advantages... heck even in the duluth area. As I have been wondering, how about Proctor? When do they pick it up?

[Hunters1993]

When Hermantown people don’t have an answer to questions about transfers, all star teams playing in class A, or 9 out of 11 c-chip games they just go for the personal attacks.

Can’t beat you so they go with crabby as.. remarks or attack the other class A programs. Or they go off on how fun it is to be king of the mountain knowing no one will knock them off for the next ten years. King of class A and the free old ugly donkey ride to the X. Remember hermantown no one is jealous of you, you are just that old ugly donkey to ride to the X. Get off the old donkey and move on up to class AA and get there with a little competition that is your level of hockey!

[Hunters1993]

Here is the point. Hermantown has climbed to the top of this class A mountain 2 times in 11 years. Have comb one step from the top 8 times. The other times they got very close to the top! What is left to prove on this class A mountain? Nothing!

[nu2hockey]

Here is the point. Hermantown has climbed to the top of this class A mountain 2 times in 11 years. Have comb one step from the top 8 times. The other times they got very close to the top! What is left to prove on this class A mountain? Nothing!

The only proof here is that Hermantown is a 7a problem...9 out 11 times someone else wins state.......the best route here is for the other 7a schools to drop to junior gold since all the forum crybabies feel they can't compete...

your buzzword phrases:integrity, donkey ride...used numerous times..

suck it up buttercup or have your team(s) drop to junior gold.


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[kniven]

Here is the point. Hermantown has climbed to the top of this class A mountain 2 times in 11 years. Have comb one step from the top 8 times. The other times they got very close to the top! What is left to prove on this class A mountain? Nothing!

The only proof here is that Hermantown is a 7a problem...9 out 11 times someone else wins state.......the best route here is for the other 7a schools to drop to junior gold since all the forum crybabies feel they can't compete...

your buzzword phrases:integrity, donkey ride...used numerous times..

suck it up buttercup or have your team(s) drop to junior gold.

Heck yea, nu2 We should replace the hermantown thread name to “the cream puff cry me a River I am a victim thread.


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[Hunters1993]

Or nothing left to prove but will continue to play where we can win another 10 c-chips and be the top of the mountain. When was the last time you lost to an A class school during regular season, can you riddle me that. I’d it still 2013?

Again when Hermantown parents don’t have an answer they go to the personal attack! Every time you get them in a corner!

[defense]

Don't the rest of the teams in greater Duluth have very similar advantages as Hermantown?

[StanleyCup55]

Here is the point. Hermantown has climbed to the top of this class A mountain 2 times in 11 years. Have comb one step from the top 8 times. The other times they got very close to the top! What is left to prove on this class A mountain? Nothing!

The only proof here is that Hermantown is a 7a problem...9 out 11 times someone else wins state.......the best route here is for the other 7a schools to drop to junior gold since all the forum crybabies feel they can't compete...

your buzzword phrases:integrity, donkey ride...used numerous times..

suck it up buttercup or have your team(s) drop to junior gold.


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I laugh about how you say to suck it up yet are afraid to compete in AA. Stupidity at its finest on display right here lol

[Hunters1993]

Or nothing left to prove but will continue to play where we can win another 10 c-chips and be the top of the mountain. When was the last time you lost to an A class school during regular season, can you riddle me that. I’d it still 2013?

Again when Hermantown parents don’t have an answer they go to the personal attack! Every time you get them in a corner!

Like I said they go for personal attacks when don’t have answers

[kniven]

Stan is a moron.....

[Hunters1993]

Stan is a moron.....

Case in point!