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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Slap Shot » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:12 am

defense wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:01 pm
What makes everyone think Edina or Hill would do what the Hawks have done in class A???
Guys. Class A is NOT jv or B or C. Give it up
According to PageStat it is. And your previous reply to me was complete deflection/non-answer.

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	CLASS		
Section	A	AA	AVE RATING
1	11.75	16.60	13.93
2	15.57	18.50	16.88
3	11.81	18.43	14.75
4	15.24	17.08	16.11
5	13.09	16.66	14.52
6	14.72	19.50	16.85
7	14.42	17.88	15.96
8	14.06	18.08	15.85
	13.79	17.81	15.57

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Section	A	AA	AVE Rank
1	118.2	63.3	93.5
2	76.8	39.6	60.3
3	118.2	38.5	82.8
4	81.1	57.7	70.0
5	105.9	62.0	88.4
6	88.2	27.0	61.0
7	88.4	49.0	70.9
8	91.1	43.5	69.9
	96.5	48.0	75.0
http://minnhock.com/ps2020.htm

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by elliott70 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:51 pm

Slap Shot wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:12 am
defense wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:01 pm
What makes everyone think Edina or Hill would do what the Hawks have done in class A???
Guys. Class A is NOT jv or B or C. Give it up
According to PageStat it is. And your previous reply to me was complete deflection/non-answer.

Code: Select all

	CLASS		
Section	A	AA	AVE RATING
1	11.75	16.60	13.93
2	15.57	18.50	16.88
3	11.81	18.43	14.75
4	15.24	17.08	16.11
5	13.09	16.66	14.52
6	14.72	19.50	16.85
7	14.42	17.88	15.96
8	14.06	18.08	15.85
	13.79	17.81	15.57

Code: Select all

Section	A	AA	AVE Rank
1	118.2	63.3	93.5
2	76.8	39.6	60.3
3	118.2	38.5	82.8
4	81.1	57.7	70.0
5	105.9	62.0	88.4
6	88.2	27.0	61.0
7	88.4	49.0	70.9
8	91.1	43.5	69.9
	96.5	48.0	75.0
http://minnhock.com/ps2020.htm
yes agree across the board, but....
if you throw out the single A sections of 1 3 & 5 and compare the top 2 teams they go from being even in section 8 ato about 15% better in section 2.
the others are 10 12 & 14 % better - not q big difference.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by norcon » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:57 pm

defense wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:39 am
norcon wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:16 pm
defense wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:35 am
Or actually state info from your head instead of name calling
GET A LIFE ALREADY, FOR GOD’s SAKE! YOU’RE RUINING THIS FORUM!
Dude. You don't like it? Go away. Or add something. Pretty simple.
I’ve stated this before on here. AA teams should not schedule Hermantown until they opt up. Follow Coach Randolph’s lead!

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by 7TIMECHAMPS » Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:32 pm

elliott70 wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:51 pm
Slap Shot wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:12 am
defense wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:01 pm
What makes everyone think Edina or Hill would do what the Hawks have done in class A???
Guys. Class A is NOT jv or B or C. Give it up
According to PageStat it is. And your previous reply to me was complete deflection/non-answer.

Code: Select all

	CLASS		
Section	A	AA	AVE RATING
1	11.75	16.60	13.93
2	15.57	18.50	16.88
3	11.81	18.43	14.75
4	15.24	17.08	16.11
5	13.09	16.66	14.52
6	14.72	19.50	16.85
7	14.42	17.88	15.96
8	14.06	18.08	15.85
	13.79	17.81	15.57

Code: Select all

Section	A	AA	AVE Rank
1	118.2	63.3	93.5
2	76.8	39.6	60.3
3	118.2	38.5	82.8
4	81.1	57.7	70.0
5	105.9	62.0	88.4
6	88.2	27.0	61.0
7	88.4	49.0	70.9
8	91.1	43.5	69.9
	96.5	48.0	75.0
http://minnhock.com/ps2020.htm
yes agree across the board, but....
if you throw out the single A sections of 1 3 & 5 and compare the top 2 teams they go from being even in section 8 ato about 15% better in section 2.
the others are 10 12 & 14 % better - not q big difference.
Throwing out 3 sections is over a third......that is probably a bit much to be saying it has little effect or doesn't matter.

I have stated this on here before but a lot of the challenge of AA is the depth. Sure in 8 for example the top might be similar (Warroad/EGF and Moorhead/Roseau were in the final) but the games to get to the final are very different. In 8A there is still essentially a bye in the first round and to a degree the second round (Warroad played DL in the section semi's). That isn't the case in 8AA, there isn't nearly the gap 1-8 that there is in 8A. Most years 8A has three solid teams and 8AA has 6-8.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by elliott70 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:16 pm

Yes I agree but the point is there are some single A teams, roughly 10 maybe 15 that can be competitive.
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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by HSPuckFan96 » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:37 am

norcon wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:57 pm
defense wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:39 am
norcon wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:16 pm


GET A LIFE ALREADY, FOR GOD’s SAKE! YOU’RE RUINING THIS FORUM!
Dude. You don't like it? Go away. Or add something. Pretty simple.
I’ve stated this before on here. AA teams should not schedule Hermantown until they opt up. Follow Coach Randolph’s lead!
It's a good idea if the AA teams want to help fight the battle...East has an obvious reason, with them being in the same region. On the other hand, if the AA coaches from out of the area, want to get a game against a top team, then they continue to schedule them. Some AA coaches might feel that this isn't their battle to fight.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by kniven » Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:45 am

I would think that most coaches in the state, AA, could care less what Hermantown does. And that they will keep scheduling them as well.
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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by blueblood » Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:43 am

that's a big assumption knifey.
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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by kniven » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:14 pm

blueblood wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:43 am
that's a big assumption knifey.

True, blue. They would mostly have an opinion, but no concern whatsoever about hermantown hockey and what they do.
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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Wise Old Man » Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:44 am

Kniven, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but, I can assure you that not only do most of the high school coaches in the state (A & AA) have an opinion regarding Hermantown, they are definitely concerned with what their continued placement in Class "A" is doing to the state tournament on a macro level and, more importantly, what its doing to Section 7A on a micro level. Most of them actually have very strong opinions. And you can guess what those opinions likely are. :roll:

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by kniven » Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:17 pm

Wise Old Man wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:44 am
Kniven, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but, I can assure you that not only do most of the high school coaches in the state (A & AA) have an opinion regarding Hermantown, they are definitely concerned with what their continued placement in Class "A" is doing to the state tournament on a macro level and, more importantly, what its doing to Section 7A on a micro level. Most of them actually have very strong opinions. And you can guess what those opinions likely are. :roll:

Agree to disagree.
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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Corn Cobb » Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:23 pm

I would have to agree with the Wise Old Man over the clown.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by ShakestheClown » Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:01 pm

Corn Cobb wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:23 pm
I would have to agree with the Wise Old Man over the clown.
Hey now...!

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Hunters1993 » Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:55 pm

Look at how bad Denfeld was outshot.
Final score?


They played lockdown defense and hoped for a bounce.
That is all it was. Once h scored it was over.

No one else in class A matters. The same team will be in the c-chip game the next 10 years.
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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Jeffy95 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:34 am

Denfeld has a Punchers Chance against them next year on paper. But that’s today’s paper. We have no idea who will be playing in Hermantown next year. We’ll know more at the June tryouts when Andrews can get a look at all of the kids that want to come and play there.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by blueblood » Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:22 am

Where does one register for the June H-town tryouts?
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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Hunters1993 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:44 am

Isn’t that what the elite league is for team north? Kids who make that team will make friendships with the h town kids and parents will start their “recruitment”, I mean friendship building.

Probably have many conversations and offers from h town coach.
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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Wise Old Man » Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:43 pm

kniven wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:17 pm
Wise Old Man wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:44 am
Kniven, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but, I can assure you that not only do most of the high school coaches in the state (A & AA) have an opinion regarding Hermantown, they are definitely concerned with what their continued placement in Class "A" is doing to the state tournament on a macro level and, more importantly, what its doing to Section 7A on a micro level. Most of them actually have very strong opinions. And you can guess what those opinions likely are. :roll:

Agree to disagree.
kniven wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:17 pm
Wise Old Man wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:44 am
Kniven, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but, I can assure you that not only do most of the high school coaches in the state (A & AA) have an opinion regarding Hermantown, they are definitely concerned with what their continued placement in Class "A" is doing to the state tournament on a macro level and, more importantly, what its doing to Section 7A on a micro level. Most of them actually have very strong opinions. And you can guess what those opinions likely are. :roll:

Agree to disagree.
Kniven, it's obviously a free country so your welcome to disagree but, trust me, I've been around the game in a very close manner for 28 years and I can honestly say that I'm on a first name basis with probably 1/2 to 2/3 of the high school coaches in our state. So, when I tell you they all have very strong opinions about how Hermantown is operating and how much damage they are doing to Class "A" hockey, I assure you my information is accurate.

As for Denfeld's chances next year, I agree that on paper they have a chance as long as they are healthy. But, that chance will be dictated by their goaltender playing the game of his life. Denfeld's defense will improve from a pure skills standpoint as the incoming sophomores are fairly talented. But, they'll obviously be very green. So, how those young guys develop will be key for Denfeld in the playoffs. Luckily, Denfeld has one of the best defensive coaches in high school hockey in former UMD defenseman Ryan Geris and, if anyone can develop the incoming D-men into solid back liners by the section final it's him.

Unfortunately, I'm highly skeptical that we'll be having a season. I've done a large amount of reading and research into the current pandemic we are all dealing with as I have two kids who have underlying health issues that make them very vulnerable to having a more serious reaction to the virus if they happen to catch it. All of the research I've done indicates that we won't probably have a vaccine until early next year at the very earliest. So, unless the world's researchers are able to come up with some sort of treatment that significantly prevents anyone who contracts the virus from becoming sick enough to require being admitted to the ICU or put on a ventilator, there's very little chance there'll be a fall or winter sports season. I truly hate to say it but, that's how I see it. Obviously, I truly hope I'm wrong.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Jeffy95 » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:27 am

Wise Old Man wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:43 pm
kniven wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:17 pm
Wise Old Man wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:44 am
Kniven, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but, I can assure you that not only do most of the high school coaches in the state (A & AA) have an opinion regarding Hermantown, they are definitely concerned with what their continued placement in Class "A" is doing to the state tournament on a macro level and, more importantly, what its doing to Section 7A on a micro level. Most of them actually have very strong opinions. And you can guess what those opinions likely are. :roll:

Agree to disagree.
kniven wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:17 pm
Wise Old Man wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:44 am
Kniven, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but, I can assure you that not only do most of the high school coaches in the state (A & AA) have an opinion regarding Hermantown, they are definitely concerned with what their continued placement in Class "A" is doing to the state tournament on a macro level and, more importantly, what its doing to Section 7A on a micro level. Most of them actually have very strong opinions. And you can guess what those opinions likely are. :roll:

Agree to disagree.
Kniven, it's obviously a free country so your welcome to disagree but, trust me, I've been around the game in a very close manner for 28 years and I can honestly say that I'm on a first name basis with probably 1/2 to 2/3 of the high school coaches in our state. So, when I tell you they all have very strong opinions about how Hermantown is operating and how much damage they are doing to Class "A" hockey, I assure you my information is accurate.

As for Denfeld's chances next year, I agree that on paper they have a chance as long as they are healthy. But, that chance will be dictated by their goaltender playing the game of his life. Denfeld's defense will improve from a pure skills standpoint as the incoming sophomores are fairly talented. But, they'll obviously be very green. So, how those young guys develop will be key for Denfeld in the playoffs. Luckily, Denfeld has one of the best defensive coaches in high school hockey in former UMD defenseman Ryan Geris and, if anyone can develop the incoming D-men into solid back liners by the section final it's him.

Unfortunately, I'm highly skeptical that we'll be having a season. I've done a large amount of reading and research into the current pandemic we are all dealing with as I have two kids who have underlying health issues that make them very vulnerable to having a more serious reaction to the virus if they happen to catch it. All of the research I've done indicates that we won't probably have a vaccine until early next year at the very earliest. So, unless the world's researchers are able to come up with some sort of treatment that significantly prevents anyone who contracts the virus from becoming sick enough to require being admitted to the ICU or put on a ventilator, there's very little chance there'll be a fall or winter sports season. I truly hate to say it but, that's how I see it. Obviously, I truly hope I'm wrong.
Pretty sure we will have Winter Sports next year.
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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Corn Cobb » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:36 pm

Jeffy95 wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:27 am
Pretty sure we will have Winter Sports next year.
I pray that you're right.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by O-townClown » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:42 pm

kniven wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:45 am
I would think that most coaches in the state, AA, could care less what Hermantown does. And that they will keep scheduling them as well.
Yes!
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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by O-townClown » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:48 pm

norcon wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:57 pm
I’ve stated this before on here. AA teams should not schedule Hermantown until they opt up. Follow Coach Randolph’s lead!
I've stated this before.

That's stupid.

The tiny faction, mostly centered around the nation's 173rd largest Metropolitan Statistical Area, that are obsessed with one high school in the State of Hockey aren't worth paying attention to.

Coach Randolph and his ilk can't possibly be fans of the sport if their petty tribalism denies scores of competitive players the opportunity to participate in what could easily be among the state's best rivalries.

Sad.
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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Stang5280 » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:36 pm

O-townClown wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:48 pm
norcon wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:57 pm
I’ve stated this before on here. AA teams should not schedule Hermantown until they opt up. Follow Coach Randolph’s lead!
I've stated this before.

That's stupid.

The tiny faction, mostly centered around the nation's 173rd largest Metropolitan Statistical Area, that are obsessed with one high school in the State of Hockey aren't worth paying attention to.

Coach Randolph and his ilk can't possibly be fans of the sport if their petty tribalism denies scores of competitive players the opportunity to participate in what could easily be among the state's best rivalries.

Sad.
However... whether or not you believe the feud to be petty, there is now a practical incentive for 7AA teams to avoid scheduling Hermantown. Given that QRF treats Class A opponents as second-class citizens, teams are basically shooting themselves in the foot for seeding purposes by playing single A opposition. A win does little since it doesn’t help your schedule strength, and a loss can drag down your QRF disproportionately.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Getitright » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:47 pm

Ya. Just look how it hog tied Hill Murry, Minnetonka, and Grand Rapids whom I believe all played Hermantown and all won AA championships.

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Re: The Hermantown Thread

Post by Hunters1993 » Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:58 pm

And doesn’t that work great for Hermantown? They play AA teams and when they lose they can cry see we should stay in class A. And when they win they can screen from the class A hill and say look at us. Works perfect for them.
Tgat is another reason AA teams shouldn’t play them. There is plenty of good talent in class AA to challenge your team without giving in to Hermantown. Hermantown gets the perfect situation as long as class AA keeps playing them. Hermantown make your choice and live with it. If you want to be class A play class A teams. The coach and AD made their choice.
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