AA
Section 1 Farmington
Section 2 - Eden Prairie
Section 3 Burnsville
Section 4 Hill Murray - Stillwater Friday night
Section 5 Anoka
Section 6 Wayzata
Section 7 Grand Rapids
Section 8 Bemidji
Anyone care to speculate?
AA state seedings
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AA state seedings
Last edited by elliott70 on Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:09 pm, edited 8 times in total.
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Doc Holliday
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I think if Stillwater wins, they will get #1, but I don't think they deserve it.
I think EP & Wayzata will get treated well. The coaches I think ignore some of the things us fans do in terms of record/who beat who early, etc. At least #3 & #4 for the two of them. They split during the year & have similar arguments with the paths they needed to go through to win their section. I do think Wayzata 2016 trend may give them an edge.
If Lakeville wins, it will be curious what you do with them. Personally, I'd put them below Wayzata & EP simply due to schedule, which is out of their control.
If favorites win, my guesses for unseeded are 5AA (obvious), 3AA & toss-up between GR & Bemidji (my guess is that GR would get seeded ahead of Bemidji due to who they have beaten, although Bemidji's win over HM looks nice).
I think EP & Wayzata will get treated well. The coaches I think ignore some of the things us fans do in terms of record/who beat who early, etc. At least #3 & #4 for the two of them. They split during the year & have similar arguments with the paths they needed to go through to win their section. I do think Wayzata 2016 trend may give them an edge.
If Lakeville wins, it will be curious what you do with them. Personally, I'd put them below Wayzata & EP simply due to schedule, which is out of their control.
If favorites win, my guesses for unseeded are 5AA (obvious), 3AA & toss-up between GR & Bemidji (my guess is that GR would get seeded ahead of Bemidji due to who they have beaten, although Bemidji's win over HM looks nice).
I don't disagree with this except GR did lose (big) to Hermantown and Bemidji did win.Doc Holliday wrote:I think if Stillwater wins, they will get #1, but I don't think they deserve it.
I think EP & Wayzata will get treated well. The coaches I think ignore some of the things us fans do in terms of record/who beat who early, etc. At least #3 & #4 for the two of them. They split during the year & have similar arguments with the paths they needed to go through to win their section. I do think Wayzata 2016 trend may give them an edge.
If Lakeville wins, it will be curious what you do with them. Personally, I'd put them below Wayzata & EP simply due to schedule, which is out of their control.
If favorites win, my guesses for unseeded are 5AA (obvious), 3AA & toss-up between GR & Bemidji (my guess is that GR would get seeded ahead of Bemidji due to who they have beaten, although Bemidji's win over HM looks nice).
I would like to see Bemidji and GR in opposite brackets so there would be a chance of an all north final (MSHSL would probably not want this).
I think you mean you'd like to see Bemidji and Duluth East in opposite brackets...elliott70 wrote:I don't disagree with this except GR did lose (big) to Hermantown and Bemidji did win.Doc Holliday wrote:I think if Stillwater wins, they will get #1, but I don't think they deserve it.
I think EP & Wayzata will get treated well. The coaches I think ignore some of the things us fans do in terms of record/who beat who early, etc. At least #3 & #4 for the two of them. They split during the year & have similar arguments with the paths they needed to go through to win their section. I do think Wayzata 2016 trend may give them an edge.
If Lakeville wins, it will be curious what you do with them. Personally, I'd put them below Wayzata & EP simply due to schedule, which is out of their control.
If favorites win, my guesses for unseeded are 5AA (obvious), 3AA & toss-up between GR & Bemidji (my guess is that GR would get seeded ahead of Bemidji due to who they have beaten, although Bemidji's win over HM looks nice).
I would like to see Bemidji and GR in opposite brackets so there would be a chance of an all north final (MSHSL would probably not want this).
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I don't disagree with you and they might. They certainly have a case & I wouldn't call it a travesty if it happened. I'm just guessing at what will happen.
Case: Both Wayzata & EP have seen GR first hand. They probably don't notice their losses as much as who they've played & beaten. They saw GR hand it to Edina, they saw them beat HF, Wayzata only beat them by a goal rather recently. That may weigh in their favor in someone like O' Leary.
One never knows though...
Case: Both Wayzata & EP have seen GR first hand. They probably don't notice their losses as much as who they've played & beaten. They saw GR hand it to Edina, they saw them beat HF, Wayzata only beat them by a goal rather recently. That may weigh in their favor in someone like O' Leary.
One never knows though...
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I wasn't sure why people kept seeding GR ahead of Bemidji so I looked at their schedules last night. I think GR would get the benefit of the doubt. Elliot, you cited the Hermantown contests, but Bemidji also lost to Cloquet and GR handed it to them twice. I think the conversation could be entirely different of Bemidji had won that holiday tournament.
Bemidji's best wins: Hill-Murray, Hermantown, Moorhead (twice), and then some other wins against good class A teams like EGF, TRF and Apollo.
Grand Rapids best wins: Minnetonka, Edina, Duluth East (twice if they win tonight), Moorhead, Holy Family
The only way I see Bemidji getting seeded over GR is if the coaches give the Lumberjacks credit for being at state last year and playing two very competitive games against Edina and STA with a very young team.
Another scenario that could get Bemidji seeded higher than GR is if Hill-Murray defeats Stillwater. It probably gets them seeded regardless since that's one more higher ranked team out of the tournament, but it's also an impressive win over a tournament participant that might give Bemidji the edge over Grand Rapids, but I don't think that's very likely (who the hell knows this year though).
Bemidji's best wins: Hill-Murray, Hermantown, Moorhead (twice), and then some other wins against good class A teams like EGF, TRF and Apollo.
Grand Rapids best wins: Minnetonka, Edina, Duluth East (twice if they win tonight), Moorhead, Holy Family
The only way I see Bemidji getting seeded over GR is if the coaches give the Lumberjacks credit for being at state last year and playing two very competitive games against Edina and STA with a very young team.
Another scenario that could get Bemidji seeded higher than GR is if Hill-Murray defeats Stillwater. It probably gets them seeded regardless since that's one more higher ranked team out of the tournament, but it's also an impressive win over a tournament participant that might give Bemidji the edge over Grand Rapids, but I don't think that's very likely (who the hell knows this year though).
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Record is record to some. They have 1 loss, and the avenged that 1 loss by beating HF the 2nd time.
I think if Bemidji was undefeated, they'd come down at the #1 seed, no matter their schedule. Similar to Roseau in '08, although they had the benefit of being the defending champ too.
Like I said above, I don't think they deserve it....but I think they'll get it.
I think if Bemidji was undefeated, they'd come down at the #1 seed, no matter their schedule. Similar to Roseau in '08, although they had the benefit of being the defending champ too.
Like I said above, I don't think they deserve it....but I think they'll get it.
Re: AA state seedings
I'll let you know after Friday night. Ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we would all have a merry Christmas!elliott70 wrote:AA
Section 1
Lakeville North - Farmington Thursday night
Section 2 - Eden Prairie
Section 3 Burnsville - St Thomas Academy Thursday night
Section 4 Hill Murray - Stillwater Friday night
Section 5 Maple Grove - Anoka Thursday night
Section 6 Wayzata
Section 7 Grand Rapids - Duluth East Thursday night
Section 8 Bemidji
Anyone care to speculate?
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Well, I don't know what the heck they do now. 
Only thing I'd like to see is Wayzata & EP on opposite sides of the bracket. I don't want to see conference foes play until the championship, if they happened to get there. Of course, sometimes it can't be helped.
What I would do:
1) EP/Wayzata
2) EP/Wayzata
3) Stillwater
4) GR (if they win)
5) Bemidji
Farmington
Burnsville
Anoka
I still think Stillwater may get the #1, although I don't think they deserve it. If Hill wins, the move into 5. Move Bemidji up if East wins.....I also don't like seeing northern teams play in 4/5.
Only thing I'd like to see is Wayzata & EP on opposite sides of the bracket. I don't want to see conference foes play until the championship, if they happened to get there. Of course, sometimes it can't be helped.
What I would do:
1) EP/Wayzata
2) EP/Wayzata
3) Stillwater
4) GR (if they win)
5) Bemidji
Farmington
Burnsville
Anoka
I still think Stillwater may get the #1, although I don't think they deserve it. If Hill wins, the move into 5. Move Bemidji up if East wins.....I also don't like seeing northern teams play in 4/5.
AA Seeding
If Stillwater wins:
1) Stillwater
2) Wayzata
3) Ep
4) Bemidji
5) Grand Rapids
If Hill wins:
1) Wayzata
2) Ep
3) Bemidji
4) Grand Rapids
5) ???
1) Stillwater
2) Wayzata
3) Ep
4) Bemidji
5) Grand Rapids
If Hill wins:
1) Wayzata
2) Ep
3) Bemidji
4) Grand Rapids
5) ???
Even with a Stillwater win I don't think seeds will matter much this season, no one has an easy first round game.
We will also get new blood in the tournament with Farmington, Anoka and Grand Rapids haven't been there in years......EP and Wayzata have huge enrollments and will have fans. I guess EP becomes the team the crowd hates this year? With no Edina or BSM, maybe Hill Murray can win and give us a true villain.
We will also get new blood in the tournament with Farmington, Anoka and Grand Rapids haven't been there in years......EP and Wayzata have huge enrollments and will have fans. I guess EP becomes the team the crowd hates this year? With no Edina or BSM, maybe Hill Murray can win and give us a true villain.
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If Hill-Murray isn't there, the only villain will be in Class A.goldy313 wrote:Even with a Stillwater win I don't think seeds will matter much this season, no one has an easy first round game.
We will also get new blood in the tournament with Farmington, Anoka and Grand Rapids haven't been there in years......EP and Wayzata have huge enrollments and will have fans. I guess EP becomes the team the crowd hates this year? With no Edina or BSM, maybe Hill Murray can win and give us a true villain.
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Hopefully they give bemidji a 2 or 3 despite the competition. I don't want to see them play rapids in the first round. Somehow Stillwater will get the 1 seed, but they haven't played anyone in the state tournament field, at least Bemidji has played one of them.
If bemidji and Rapids do play in the 4/5 I would expect the winner to beat Stillwater in the semi
If bemidji and Rapids do play in the 4/5 I would expect the winner to beat Stillwater in the semi
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Stillwater won't beat Hill-Murray at Aldrich so....WestMetro wrote:1. SW
2. EP
3. LVN
4. WZ
5. BMJ
Rest
STA
MG
DE or GR , too close to call
1. Eden Prairie...h2h win over Rapids
2. Wayzata....h2h win over Rapids
3. Grand Rapids...better resume than Bem
4. Bemidji h2h win over Hill
5. Hill-Murray h2h win over Burns
6. Burnsville won and tied over Farm
7. Farmington better resume than anoka
8. Anoka