Is 7A the deepest A section in the state?
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Is 7A the deepest A section in the state?
With 4 of the top 15 teams and add a 7-1 team like North Shore just out of the top 15 I have to believe that Sec 7A is the deepest this season. What are your feelings and reasons if you feel it is not?
6A us right there. Here is a list of quality teams:
St. Cloud Apollo
St. Cloud Cathedral
St. Cloud Tech
Sartell
Alexandria
Little Falls
Fergus Falls (before all the injuries and departures)
River Lakes
I think there are only two that have a chance to move out of the section, but these are all very good teams. I also think there are only two that have a chance in 7A also.
St. Cloud Apollo
St. Cloud Cathedral
St. Cloud Tech
Sartell
Alexandria
Little Falls
Fergus Falls (before all the injuries and departures)
River Lakes
I think there are only two that have a chance to move out of the section, but these are all very good teams. I also think there are only two that have a chance in 7A also.
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hockey9011
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I am a 6A fan but don't think all the teams listed are what I would say are "quality" ..I watched Sartell crush river lakes 9-2 early this year and River lakes looked mediocre at best.. Fergus falls is bad (yes they had some other issues that lead to that) but I believe the only teams that have a chance to win this section would be Apollo, Cathedral, and Sartell.. Teams like Tech, Alex, and LF will all be competitive during playoffs but it's a 3 team raceMite-dad wrote:6A us right there. Here is a list of quality teams:
St. Cloud Apollo
St. Cloud Cathedral
St. Cloud Tech
Sartell
Alexandria
Little Falls
Fergus Falls (before all the injuries and departures)
River Lakes
I think there are only two that have a chance to move out of the section, but these are all very good teams. I also think there are only two that have a chance in 7A also.
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greenway1969
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Top 4 Sections
Section 2 (Breck, Delano, Orono, Minneapolis, Blake, Kennedy
Section 4 (Mahtomedi, St. Paul Academy, Minnehaha Academy, St. Paul
Johnson, Totino-Grace)
Section 6 (St. Cloud Apollo, St Cloud Cathedral, Sartell - St. Stephen, Little
Little Falls, St. Cloud Tech, Alexandria)
Section 7 (Hermantown, Hibbing, Duluth Denfeld, Greenway, North Shore,
Proctor)
I'd say Section 2 is the deepest, mainly because of their wins outside of the Section. Other than Hermantown and Hibbing Section 7 does not have any quality wins outside of the Section. Denfeld has lost every game to good outside competition, while Greenway hasn't played any good teams outside the section. North Shore has played one good team (St. Louis Park) and lost. I'd put Section 4 slightly ahead of Section 7 and Section 6 slightly below Section 7.
Section 2 (Breck, Delano, Orono, Minneapolis, Blake, Kennedy
Section 4 (Mahtomedi, St. Paul Academy, Minnehaha Academy, St. Paul
Johnson, Totino-Grace)
Section 6 (St. Cloud Apollo, St Cloud Cathedral, Sartell - St. Stephen, Little
Little Falls, St. Cloud Tech, Alexandria)
Section 7 (Hermantown, Hibbing, Duluth Denfeld, Greenway, North Shore,
Proctor)
I'd say Section 2 is the deepest, mainly because of their wins outside of the Section. Other than Hermantown and Hibbing Section 7 does not have any quality wins outside of the Section. Denfeld has lost every game to good outside competition, while Greenway hasn't played any good teams outside the section. North Shore has played one good team (St. Louis Park) and lost. I'd put Section 4 slightly ahead of Section 7 and Section 6 slightly below Section 7.
Yeah Fergus has fallen on tough times and maybe River Lakes isn't a quality team, but I'm not really ready to jump on the North Shore or Proctor bandwagon yet either.hockey9011 wrote:I am a 6A fan but don't think all the teams listed are what I would say are "quality" ..I watched Sartell crush river lakes 9-2 early this year and River lakes looked mediocre at best.. Fergus falls is bad (yes they had some other issues that lead to that) but I believe the only teams that have a chance to win this section would be Apollo, Cathedral, and Sartell.. Teams like Tech, Alex, and LF will all be competitive during playoffs but it's a 3 team raceMite-dad wrote:6A us right there. Here is a list of quality teams:
St. Cloud Apollo
St. Cloud Cathedral
St. Cloud Tech
Sartell
Alexandria
Little Falls
Fergus Falls (before all the injuries and departures)
River Lakes
I think there are only two that have a chance to move out of the section, but these are all very good teams. I also think there are only two that have a chance in 7A also.
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I know but I would take Delano over Hibbing and Orono over Denfeld, although not by much. Any chance Greenway could make a run to the 7A finals? Or would they meet Herm in the semis?greenway1969 wrote:The same could be said of Section 2: After Breck there is no serious contender at state. Section 2 might be slightly deeper but not by much.
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Why are you so high on Delano? What have they done? Their only quality win was vs Cathedral, while Hibbing has beaten Brainerd, EGF, and Greenway.Hockeywatcher123 wrote:I know but I would take Delano over Hibbing and Orono over Denfeld, although not by much. Any chance Greenway could make a run to the 7A finals? Or would they meet Herm in the semis?greenway1969 wrote:The same could be said of Section 2: After Breck there is no serious contender at state. Section 2 might be slightly deeper but not by much.
No common opponents between Hibbing and Delano, but Buffalo beat Delano, Brainerd beat Buffalo, and Hibbing beat Brainerd.
Delano showed some moxie in their games vs Breck and Hermantown, but they haven't put together any kind of resume that would make me think they would beat Hibbing. I think Greenway might be better than Delano also.
"You can't triple stamp a double stamp." -Harry Dunn
Well, this question can be answered by looking at what are clearly the most accurate rankings anywhere.
http://www.minnesota-scores.net/classqr ... 09&class=2
1. Hibbing
2. Mahtomedi
3. Hermantown
4. Breck
5. North Shore
6. Delano
7. SPA
8. Apollo
9. Greenway
10. Orono
http://www.minnesota-scores.net/classqr ... 09&class=2
1. Hibbing
2. Mahtomedi
3. Hermantown
4. Breck
5. North Shore
6. Delano
7. SPA
8. Apollo
9. Greenway
10. Orono
"You can't triple stamp a double stamp." -Harry Dunn
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greenway1969
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For sure. It also has Hibbing at #6 in the combined AA/A rankings. These rankings must not give much weight to strength of schedule, as Hibbing and especially North Shore have not been facing a murder's row so far.greenway1969 wrote:I'll have whatever that guy is drinking or smoking.
But hey, if this computer thinks Hibbing is the #6 team in the state A or AA, who am I to argue? If there's one thing I've learned from the Terminator movies, it's to never argue with a cyborg.
"You can't triple stamp a double stamp." -Harry Dunn
Sec 7 is the deepest no question as the year turns to 2016
7 - herm, hibb, green, north shr, den
2 - breck, del, minn
6 - stc ap, cath,
4
I've read enough about sec 3 and rollcard. No need to hear about Luverne in 2016 and beyond. I will congrad them on having a very very nice player and a couple very nice players but it is still not a program that cont puts out talent and potential like grand rapids. Lol
7 - herm, hibb, green, north shr, den
2 - breck, del, minn
6 - stc ap, cath,
4
I've read enough about sec 3 and rollcard. No need to hear about Luverne in 2016 and beyond. I will congrad them on having a very very nice player and a couple very nice players but it is still not a program that cont puts out talent and potential like grand rapids. Lol
Deepest Section in Class A
No doubt 2A is the deepest section based on schedule and performance thus far. Breck, Delano, Orono, Blake, Minneapolis and New Prague have all played legitimate schedules and performed very well.
Sorry but herm, hibb, green all beat Delano, minn, Orono, etc. yes breck is very good but thinking they are not what you think. Appears they did not dominate teams at the schwanns and are playing well but not great. Sorry playing each other in sec 2 is not the same as sec 7. 7 has the best team and the best depth.
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This system used to treat all teams of a class the same in calculations. So, beating the best team and beating the worst team by the same score are calculated the same. I heard there was going to be changes made to that, but apparently that didn't happen.rainier wrote:For sure. It also has Hibbing at #6 in the combined AA/A rankings. These rankings must not give much weight to strength of schedule, as Hibbing and especially North Shore have not been facing a murder's row so far.greenway1969 wrote:I'll have whatever that guy is drinking or smoking.
Page stat rankings
Top Ten
6 BRECK_ 2A 10 3 0 0.769 73 30 21.79
13 HIBBING 7A 11 0 0 1.000 60 15 20.96
15 HERMANTOWN 7A 10 1 1 0.875 61 26 20.58
20 DELANO 2A 8 4 0 0.667 61 40 19.87
22 ST CLOUD APOLLO 6A 10 1 0 0.909 54 15 19.63
24 THIEF RIVER FALLS 8A 9 3 0 0.750 49 30 19.56
27 MAHTOMEDI 4A 8 3 0 0.727 47 27 19.19
32 EAST GRAND FORKS 8A 7 4 1 0.625 43 36 18.88
33 GREENWAY 7A 12 2 0 0.857 83 23 18.82
36 ST PAUL ACADEMY 4A 9 3 0 0.750 50 28 18.45
11-20
38 ST CLOUD CATHEDRAL 6A 10 4 0 0.714 65 43 18.23
46 ORONO 2A 10 3 1 0.750 60 44 17.67
49 BLAKE 2A 4 6 0 0.400 28 30 17.62
55 LUVERNE 3A 9 3 0 0.750 102 32 17.27
57 SARTELL 6A 9 4 0 0.692 53 38 17.20
59 LITCHFIELD 3A 8 2 0 0.800 75 21 17.14
60 TOTINO GRACE 4A 5 5 0 0.500 37 41 17.13
61 CROOKSTON 8A 6 7 0 0.462 54 46 17.11
66 BLOOM KENNEDY 2A 8 6 0 0.571 46 48 16.83
67 LITTLE FALLS 6A 11 2 0 0.846 65 25 16.81
21-30
68 ST PAUL JOHNSON 4A 10 3 0 0.769 57 30 16.80
70 ST CLOUD TECH 6A 8 5 0 0.615 59 40 16.67
71 WARROAD 8A 5 8 0 0.385 35 40 16.58
72 MINNEAPOLIS 2A 9 5 0 0.643 56 36 16.44
73 HUTCHINSON 3A 5 3 0 0.625 42 24 16.26
74 WACONIA 2A 7 5 0 0.583 56 42 16.08
75 DULUTH DENFELD 7A 6 6 1 0.500 31 36 16.07
80 ALEXANDRIA 6A 4 6 1 0.409 32 42 15.84
81 NORTH SHORE 7A 11 1 1 0.885 72 30 15.69
82 NORTHFIELD 1A 6 4 0 0.600 46 28 15.67
The rest
83 NEW PRAGUE 2A 3 9 1 0.269 39 54 15.64
84 MINNEHAHA ACADEMY 4A 6 4 1 0.591 49 21 15.64
86 VIRGINIA 7A 3 7 2 0.333 35 45 15.60
87 MONTICELLO 5A 6 7 0 0.462 52 34 15.51
89 MOUND WESTONKA 2A 4 9 0 0.308 31 43 15.35
90 PRINCETON 5A 10 2 0 0.833 54 21 15.29
91 DETROIT LAKES 8A 7 4 1 0.625 42 26 15.21
93 MANKATO WEST 1A 7 6 1 0.536 56 49 14.97
94 S ST PAUL 4A 4 6 0 0.400 31 41 14.82
96 WILLMAR 3A 4 6 0 0.400 36 34 14.76
98 INTERNATIONAL FALLS 7A 6 6 1 0.500 43 40 14.42
99 FERGUS FALLS 6A 3 9 0 0.250 28 58 14.13
102 ROCHESTER LOURDES 1A 2 9 0 0.182 29 63 14.06
103 RIVER LAKES 6A 4 7 0 0.364 28 42 13.77
104 MANKATO EAST 1A 7 6 0 0.538 55 47 13.73
107 PROCTOR 7A 8 5 0 0.615 54 57 13.58
109 EVELETH GILBERT 7A 5 9 1 0.367 56 77 13.08
110 CHISAGO LAKES 5A 4 10 0 0.286 33 59 12.97
111 ALBERT LEA 1A 4 6 0 0.400 33 36 12.95
112 PROVIDENCE ACADEMY 2A 3 8 1 0.292 35 64 12.92
113 NEW ULM 3A 7 4 1 0.625 54 40 12.80
115 HENRY SIBLEY 4A 4 8 0 0.333 27 54 12.75
116 SAUK RAPIDS 5A 1 10 0 0.091 18 62 12.67
118 PARK RAPIDS 8A 5 6 1 0.458 32 47 12.38
119 LESUEUR 1A 7 4 0 0.636 45 33 12.35
121 RED WING 1A 4 8 0 0.333 35 53 12.15
122 NORTHERN LAKES 8A 5 5 1 0.500 31 35 12.02
123 LA CRESCENT 1A 7 3 1 0.682 60 30 12.02
124 PINE CITY 5A 7 6 0 0.538 57 51 11.95
125 MARSHALL_ 3A 7 6 0 0.538 59 56 11.94
126 SIMLEY 4A 4 10 0 0.286 30 61 11.55
127 FARIBAULT 1A 3 8 0 0.273 18 41 11.24
128 REDWOOD VALLEY 3A 5 6 0 0.455 53 56 10.99
129 MORA 5A 6 5 0 0.545 41 35 10.89
130 AUSTIN 1A 2 6 1 0.278 28 31 10.87
131 WADENA 6A 6 5 0 0.545 44 39 10.86
132 LAKE OF THE WOODS 8A 2 12 0 0.143 18 51 10.82
133 RED LAKE FALLS 8A 5 6 0 0.455 28 27 10.30
134 NORTH BRANCH 5A 1 10 0 0.091 26 54 10.19
135 LEGACY CHRISTIAN 5A 4 8 0 0.333 33 68 9.38
136 ST PAUL COMO PARK 4A 6 9 0 0.400 56 76 9.16
138 KITTSON CENTRAL 8A 1 9 0 0.100 18 55 8.38
139 PRAIRIE CENTRE 6A 4 8 0 0.333 32 59 8.29
140 WASECA 1A 4 6 0 0.400 31 47 8.13
141 WINONA 1A 0 9 0 0.000 5 67 7.81
142 MOOSE LAKE 5A 1 10 0 0.091 32 61 7.77
143 ELY 7A 3 6 1 0.350 29 55 7.53
144 ST PAUL HIGHLAND PARK 4A 3 11 1 0.233 34 67 7.06
145 BRECKENRIDGE 6A 4 5 0 0.444 26 33 6.91
146 BECKER BIG LAKE 5A 1 7 0 0.125 13 53 6.68
147 WINDOM 3A 4 9 0 0.308 29 82 6.67
148 BAGLEY 8A 1 8 0 0.111 16 50 5.53
149 FAIRMONT 3A 2 9 0 0.182 21 62 4.55
150 MORRIS/BENSON 3A 1 8 0 0.111 13 55 4.51
151 WORTHINGTON 3A 0 11 0 0.000 18 86 3.18
Top Ten
6 BRECK_ 2A 10 3 0 0.769 73 30 21.79
13 HIBBING 7A 11 0 0 1.000 60 15 20.96
15 HERMANTOWN 7A 10 1 1 0.875 61 26 20.58
20 DELANO 2A 8 4 0 0.667 61 40 19.87
22 ST CLOUD APOLLO 6A 10 1 0 0.909 54 15 19.63
24 THIEF RIVER FALLS 8A 9 3 0 0.750 49 30 19.56
27 MAHTOMEDI 4A 8 3 0 0.727 47 27 19.19
32 EAST GRAND FORKS 8A 7 4 1 0.625 43 36 18.88
33 GREENWAY 7A 12 2 0 0.857 83 23 18.82
36 ST PAUL ACADEMY 4A 9 3 0 0.750 50 28 18.45
11-20
38 ST CLOUD CATHEDRAL 6A 10 4 0 0.714 65 43 18.23
46 ORONO 2A 10 3 1 0.750 60 44 17.67
49 BLAKE 2A 4 6 0 0.400 28 30 17.62
55 LUVERNE 3A 9 3 0 0.750 102 32 17.27
57 SARTELL 6A 9 4 0 0.692 53 38 17.20
59 LITCHFIELD 3A 8 2 0 0.800 75 21 17.14
60 TOTINO GRACE 4A 5 5 0 0.500 37 41 17.13
61 CROOKSTON 8A 6 7 0 0.462 54 46 17.11
66 BLOOM KENNEDY 2A 8 6 0 0.571 46 48 16.83
67 LITTLE FALLS 6A 11 2 0 0.846 65 25 16.81
21-30
68 ST PAUL JOHNSON 4A 10 3 0 0.769 57 30 16.80
70 ST CLOUD TECH 6A 8 5 0 0.615 59 40 16.67
71 WARROAD 8A 5 8 0 0.385 35 40 16.58
72 MINNEAPOLIS 2A 9 5 0 0.643 56 36 16.44
73 HUTCHINSON 3A 5 3 0 0.625 42 24 16.26
74 WACONIA 2A 7 5 0 0.583 56 42 16.08
75 DULUTH DENFELD 7A 6 6 1 0.500 31 36 16.07
80 ALEXANDRIA 6A 4 6 1 0.409 32 42 15.84
81 NORTH SHORE 7A 11 1 1 0.885 72 30 15.69
82 NORTHFIELD 1A 6 4 0 0.600 46 28 15.67
The rest
83 NEW PRAGUE 2A 3 9 1 0.269 39 54 15.64
84 MINNEHAHA ACADEMY 4A 6 4 1 0.591 49 21 15.64
86 VIRGINIA 7A 3 7 2 0.333 35 45 15.60
87 MONTICELLO 5A 6 7 0 0.462 52 34 15.51
89 MOUND WESTONKA 2A 4 9 0 0.308 31 43 15.35
90 PRINCETON 5A 10 2 0 0.833 54 21 15.29
91 DETROIT LAKES 8A 7 4 1 0.625 42 26 15.21
93 MANKATO WEST 1A 7 6 1 0.536 56 49 14.97
94 S ST PAUL 4A 4 6 0 0.400 31 41 14.82
96 WILLMAR 3A 4 6 0 0.400 36 34 14.76
98 INTERNATIONAL FALLS 7A 6 6 1 0.500 43 40 14.42
99 FERGUS FALLS 6A 3 9 0 0.250 28 58 14.13
102 ROCHESTER LOURDES 1A 2 9 0 0.182 29 63 14.06
103 RIVER LAKES 6A 4 7 0 0.364 28 42 13.77
104 MANKATO EAST 1A 7 6 0 0.538 55 47 13.73
107 PROCTOR 7A 8 5 0 0.615 54 57 13.58
109 EVELETH GILBERT 7A 5 9 1 0.367 56 77 13.08
110 CHISAGO LAKES 5A 4 10 0 0.286 33 59 12.97
111 ALBERT LEA 1A 4 6 0 0.400 33 36 12.95
112 PROVIDENCE ACADEMY 2A 3 8 1 0.292 35 64 12.92
113 NEW ULM 3A 7 4 1 0.625 54 40 12.80
115 HENRY SIBLEY 4A 4 8 0 0.333 27 54 12.75
116 SAUK RAPIDS 5A 1 10 0 0.091 18 62 12.67
118 PARK RAPIDS 8A 5 6 1 0.458 32 47 12.38
119 LESUEUR 1A 7 4 0 0.636 45 33 12.35
121 RED WING 1A 4 8 0 0.333 35 53 12.15
122 NORTHERN LAKES 8A 5 5 1 0.500 31 35 12.02
123 LA CRESCENT 1A 7 3 1 0.682 60 30 12.02
124 PINE CITY 5A 7 6 0 0.538 57 51 11.95
125 MARSHALL_ 3A 7 6 0 0.538 59 56 11.94
126 SIMLEY 4A 4 10 0 0.286 30 61 11.55
127 FARIBAULT 1A 3 8 0 0.273 18 41 11.24
128 REDWOOD VALLEY 3A 5 6 0 0.455 53 56 10.99
129 MORA 5A 6 5 0 0.545 41 35 10.89
130 AUSTIN 1A 2 6 1 0.278 28 31 10.87
131 WADENA 6A 6 5 0 0.545 44 39 10.86
132 LAKE OF THE WOODS 8A 2 12 0 0.143 18 51 10.82
133 RED LAKE FALLS 8A 5 6 0 0.455 28 27 10.30
134 NORTH BRANCH 5A 1 10 0 0.091 26 54 10.19
135 LEGACY CHRISTIAN 5A 4 8 0 0.333 33 68 9.38
136 ST PAUL COMO PARK 4A 6 9 0 0.400 56 76 9.16
138 KITTSON CENTRAL 8A 1 9 0 0.100 18 55 8.38
139 PRAIRIE CENTRE 6A 4 8 0 0.333 32 59 8.29
140 WASECA 1A 4 6 0 0.400 31 47 8.13
141 WINONA 1A 0 9 0 0.000 5 67 7.81
142 MOOSE LAKE 5A 1 10 0 0.091 32 61 7.77
143 ELY 7A 3 6 1 0.350 29 55 7.53
144 ST PAUL HIGHLAND PARK 4A 3 11 1 0.233 34 67 7.06
145 BRECKENRIDGE 6A 4 5 0 0.444 26 33 6.91
146 BECKER BIG LAKE 5A 1 7 0 0.125 13 53 6.68
147 WINDOM 3A 4 9 0 0.308 29 82 6.67
148 BAGLEY 8A 1 8 0 0.111 16 50 5.53
149 FAIRMONT 3A 2 9 0 0.182 21 62 4.55
150 MORRIS/BENSON 3A 1 8 0 0.111 13 55 4.51
151 WORTHINGTON 3A 0 11 0 0.000 18 86 3.18
Re: Deepest Section in Class A
I agree that 2A is deeper, but I disagree that Delano and Orono "have played legitimate schedules and performed very well".bleedblue wrote:No doubt 2A is the deepest section based on schedule and performance thus far. Breck, Delano, Orono, Blake, Minneapolis and New Prague have all played legitimate schedules and performed very well.
Delano's only good win is vs #10 Cathedral and Orono's only good win is Hopkins. (I don't think you can call Luverne a good win anymore.) What other teams ranked in either class have these teams beaten?
"You can't triple stamp a double stamp." -Harry Dunn
Per pagestat which gets fairly decent by this time of the season we have:
Section top 10 next 10 next 10 total in top 30
1 0 0 1 1
2 2 3 2 7
3 0 2 1 3
4 2 1 1 4
5
6 1 3 2 6
7 3 0 2 5
8 2 1 1 4
So the deepest would be Section 2, then section 6.
The best (by my definition) would be 7.
The worst would have to be 5.
Section top 10 next 10 next 10 total in top 30
1 0 0 1 1
2 2 3 2 7
3 0 2 1 3
4 2 1 1 4
5
6 1 3 2 6
7 3 0 2 5
8 2 1 1 4
So the deepest would be Section 2, then section 6.
The best (by my definition) would be 7.
The worst would have to be 5.
Pretty sure this guy forgot to add the 0 after the 5 for NS.rainier wrote:Well, this question can be answered by looking at what are clearly the most accurate rankings anywhere.
http://www.minnesota-scores.net/classqr ... 09&class=2
1. Hibbing
2. Mahtomedi
3. Hermantown
4. Breck
5. North Shore
6. Delano
7. SPA
8. Apollo
9. Greenway
10. Orono
Okay, I'll bite. What's your beef with North Shore?pats12 wrote:This is more accurate.pats12 wrote:Pretty sure this guy forgot to add the 0 after the 5 for NS.rainier wrote:Well, this question can be answered by looking at what are clearly the most accurate rankings anywhere.
http://www.minnesota-scores.net/classqr ... 09&class=2
10. Hibbing
2. Mahtomedi
3. Hermantown
4. Breck
50. North Shore
6. Delano
7. SPA
8. Apollo
19. Greenway
10. Orono
This is more accurate.pats12 wrote:Pretty sure this guy forgot to add the 0 after the 5 for NS.rainier wrote:Well, this question can be answered by looking at what are clearly the most accurate rankings anywhere.
http://www.minnesota-scores.net/classqr ... 09&class=2
10. Hibbing
2. Mahtomedi
3. Hermantown
4. Breck
50. North Shore
6. Delano
7. SPA
8. Apollo
19. Greenway
10. Orono