Hermantown at Duluth Marshall
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:06 pm
How big does Hermantown win?
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Very conservative prediction.Sanford wrote:28-0
Considering Plante's reputation for continuing to give his top line heavy minutes even when it's a blow out in the 3rd, this score might not be too far off.Sanford wrote:28-0
Not sure that Hermantown's goaltending will be that good.Sanford wrote:28-0
I expect a better game this year that last. Don't believe all the Hermantown hype as most of the hypers have an agenda. Last years Hermantown team was senior heavy and deeper that this team. The teams that played STA would smoke this current team. In the last 6 years I would place this team better than 2013 and maybe 2011. It's a good team, but it's no lake ills north. It's too bad that since the 07 crash, hockey in general and 7A including Marshall, has declined. Hermantown has been able to maintain for the most part in a pond that has lowered. I expect a tight game with Bemidgi and not so much with Marshall.elliott70 wrote:Hermantown, this year's Lakeville North?
I think someone will get 'em.
I am going with Bemidji, twice.
What's your agenda, Peky? Why are you always slow-playing your Hawks with self-deprecating statements like "We can't compete in AA" or "Wayzata will wear us down and win in the 3rd". Why do you fight so hard to get people to think your team isn't that good?pekyman wrote:I expect a better game this year that last. Don't believe all the Hermantown hype as most of the hypers have an agenda. Last years Hermantown team was senior heavy and deeper that this team. The teams that played STA would smoke this current team. In the last 6 years I would place this team better than 2013 and maybe 2011. It's a good team, but it's no lake ills north. It's too bad that since the 07 crash, hockey in general and 7A including Marshall, has declined. Hermantown has been able to maintain for the most part in a pond that has lowered. I expect a tight game with Bemidgi and not so much with Marshall.elliott70 wrote:Hermantown, this year's Lakeville North?
I think someone will get 'em.
I am going with Bemidji, twice.
Grand Rapids and Farmington 2 losses. No Duluth East on the schedule? Who won't schedule who?elliott70 wrote:Hermantown, this year's Lakeville North?
I think someone will get 'em.
I am going with Bemidji, twice.
Balance of HTown's schedule
Thu, Dec 3
at Duluth Marshall
Sat, Dec 5
at Hopkins
Thu, Dec 10
vs. Duluth Denfeld
Sat, Dec 12
vs. Thief River Falls
Fri, Dec 18
at Minnetonka
Sat, Dec 19
at New Prague
Tue, Dec 22
vs. Eveleth-Gilbert
Tournament
C-E-C,
Duluth Marshall,
Superior,
Hermantown,
Roseville,
Delano,
Notre Dame Academy,
Bemidji
Tue, Jan 5
at Grand Rapids
Fri, Jan 8
vs. St. Cloud Cathedral
Tue, Jan 12
at Greenway/Nash-Kee
Sat, Jan 16
vs. Bemidji
Tue, Jan 19
vs. Proctor
Fri, Jan 22
vs. White Bear Lake
Sat, Jan 23
vs. Mahtomedi
Tue, Jan 26
at Virginia/Mt. Iron-Buhl
Thu, Jan 28
vs. C-E-C
Tue, Feb 2
at Farmington
Fri, Feb 5
at Brainerd
Tue, Feb 9
vs. Superior
Thu, Feb 11
vs. Hibbing/Chisholm
EastHILARY2016 wrote:Grand Rapids and Farmington 2 losses. No Duluth East on the schedule? Who won't schedule who?elliott70 wrote:Hermantown, this year's Lakeville North?
I think someone will get 'em.
I am going with Bemidji, twice.
Balance of HTown's schedule
Thu, Dec 3
at Duluth Marshall
Sat, Dec 5
at Hopkins
Thu, Dec 10
vs. Duluth Denfeld
Sat, Dec 12
vs. Thief River Falls
Fri, Dec 18
at Minnetonka
Sat, Dec 19
at New Prague
Tue, Dec 22
vs. Eveleth-Gilbert
Tournament
C-E-C,
Duluth Marshall,
Superior,
Hermantown,
Roseville,
Delano,
Notre Dame Academy,
Bemidji
Tue, Jan 5
at Grand Rapids
Fri, Jan 8
vs. St. Cloud Cathedral
Tue, Jan 12
at Greenway/Nash-Kee
Sat, Jan 16
vs. Bemidji
Tue, Jan 19
vs. Proctor
Fri, Jan 22
vs. White Bear Lake
Sat, Jan 23
vs. Mahtomedi
Tue, Jan 26
at Virginia/Mt. Iron-Buhl
Thu, Jan 28
vs. C-E-C
Tue, Feb 2
at Farmington
Fri, Feb 5
at Brainerd
Tue, Feb 9
vs. Superior
Thu, Feb 11
vs. Hibbing/Chisholm
Marshall figured out how to "force" East to play them. Pretty simple solution.pekyman wrote:EastHILARY2016 wrote:Grand Rapids and Farmington 2 losses. No Duluth East on the schedule? Who won't schedule who?elliott70 wrote:Hermantown, this year's Lakeville North?
I think someone will get 'em.
I am going with Bemidji, twice.
Balance of HTown's schedule
Thu, Dec 3
at Duluth Marshall
Sat, Dec 5
at Hopkins
Thu, Dec 10
vs. Duluth Denfeld
Sat, Dec 12
vs. Thief River Falls
Fri, Dec 18
at Minnetonka
Sat, Dec 19
at New Prague
Tue, Dec 22
vs. Eveleth-Gilbert
Tournament
C-E-C,
Duluth Marshall,
Superior,
Hermantown,
Roseville,
Delano,
Notre Dame Academy,
Bemidji
Tue, Jan 5
at Grand Rapids
Fri, Jan 8
vs. St. Cloud Cathedral
Tue, Jan 12
at Greenway/Nash-Kee
Sat, Jan 16
vs. Bemidji
Tue, Jan 19
vs. Proctor
Fri, Jan 22
vs. White Bear Lake
Sat, Jan 23
vs. Mahtomedi
Tue, Jan 26
at Virginia/Mt. Iron-Buhl
Thu, Jan 28
vs. C-E-C
Tue, Feb 2
at Farmington
Fri, Feb 5
at Brainerd
Tue, Feb 9
vs. Superior
Thu, Feb 11
vs. Hibbing/Chisholm
Haha, did Hibbing get there summer program going this year?rainier wrote:What's your agenda, Peky? Why are you always slow-playing your Hawks with self-deprecating statements like "We can't compete in AA" or "Wayzata will wear us down and win in the 3rd". Why do you fight so hard to get people to think your team isn't that good?pekyman wrote:I expect a better game this year that last. Don't believe all the Hermantown hype as most of the hypers have an agenda. Last years Hermantown team was senior heavy and deeper that this team. The teams that played STA would smoke this current team. In the last 6 years I would place this team better than 2013 and maybe 2011. It's a good team, but it's no lake ills north. It's too bad that since the 07 crash, hockey in general and 7A including Marshall, has declined. Hermantown has been able to maintain for the most part in a pond that has lowered. I expect a tight game with Bemidgi and not so much with Marshall.elliott70 wrote:Hermantown, this year's Lakeville North?
I think someone will get 'em.
I am going with Bemidji, twice.
The teams that played STA would smoke this current team? I don't believe that for a second. You may have been senior heavy last year, but not in talent, as Kero and Pionk were the only "Elite" seniors. This year, you have seven Elite league players, three more Elite Prep players, and a goalie that was All-State last year.
2014 was the weakest Hermantown team I've seen in a looong time, and they still made the title game!
And I disagree that "the pond has been lowered in 7A". Hibbing has its best team in a decade at least, Greenway is having a great resurgence, Denfeld is consistently putting out solid teams, and Virginia and Eveleth have some excellent young players on varsity or about to hit varsity soon. Even North Shore and Proctor are improved. 7A is improving as a whole, no doubt about it.
And how would you know how good 7A is anyway? Your average Hawk player plays 200 games over four years of AA Pee Wees and Bantams, and they will be lucky to play a total of 5 games versus teams from 7A. And the Hermantown varsity plays a whopping six games versus 7A teams this year, so how would they be able to tell if 7A team were better or worse?
I know this is the part where you get really angry and tell me to go improve my own "lame-a$$" program, but I just want you to admit one thing: You would rather dominate in single A than be one of 10-15 excellent AA programs.
From the ages of 12-18, the only time your players will play more than 2 Class A teams in a row is in the Class A playoffs. You call that being a Class A team?
Which of my numbers is wrong? Half of the players you mention were sophomores last season, not exactly impact players, and their stats prove it. They all make a big jump this season, which makes it a better overall team, not to mention Aamodt, Koepke, Gotz, and Olson are all seniors now, better than they were last year.pekyman wrote:Haha, did Hibbing get there summer program going this year?rainier wrote:What's your agenda, Peky? Why are you always slow-playing your Hawks with self-deprecating statements like "We can't compete in AA" or "Wayzata will wear us down and win in the 3rd". Why do you fight so hard to get people to think your team isn't that good?pekyman wrote: I expect a better game this year that last. Don't believe all the Hermantown hype as most of the hypers have an agenda. Last years Hermantown team was senior heavy and deeper that this team. The teams that played STA would smoke this current team. In the last 6 years I would place this team better than 2013 and maybe 2011. It's a good team, but it's no lake ills north. It's too bad that since the 07 crash, hockey in general and 7A including Marshall, has declined. Hermantown has been able to maintain for the most part in a pond that has lowered. I expect a tight game with Bemidgi and not so much with Marshall.
The teams that played STA would smoke this current team? I don't believe that for a second. You may have been senior heavy last year, but not in talent, as Kero and Pionk were the only "Elite" seniors. This year, you have seven Elite league players, three more Elite Prep players, and a goalie that was All-State last year.
2014 was the weakest Hermantown team I've seen in a looong time, and they still made the title game!
And I disagree that "the pond has been lowered in 7A". Hibbing has its best team in a decade at least, Greenway is having a great resurgence, Denfeld is consistently putting out solid teams, and Virginia and Eveleth have some excellent young players on varsity or about to hit varsity soon. Even North Shore and Proctor are improved. 7A is improving as a whole, no doubt about it.
And how would you know how good 7A is anyway? Your average Hawk player plays 200 games over four years of AA Pee Wees and Bantams, and they will be lucky to play a total of 5 games versus teams from 7A. And the Hermantown varsity plays a whopping six games versus 7A teams this year, so how would they be able to tell if 7A team were better or worse?
I know this is the part where you get really angry and tell me to go improve my own "lame-a$$" program, but I just want you to admit one thing: You would rather dominate in single A than be one of 10-15 excellent AA programs.
From the ages of 12-18, the only time your players will play more than 2 Class A teams in a row is in the Class A playoffs. You call that being a Class A team?
Last years team had Kero, Pionk, Koepke, Aamont, Sandelin, Jacques, Valure, Baker and Samberg at the end of the year. Also Olson in nets. Also 3 additional good senior F and 2 good senior D. The only new elite player ls sophomore Watkins. Last years team was deeper. Your numbers are wrong.
I agree with rainier, this year's Hermantown team should be stronger top to bottom than last year's team, which is saying something.pekyman wrote:Haha, did Hibbing get there summer program going this year?rainier wrote:What's your agenda, Peky? Why are you always slow-playing your Hawks with self-deprecating statements like "We can't compete in AA" or "Wayzata will wear us down and win in the 3rd". Why do you fight so hard to get people to think your team isn't that good?pekyman wrote: I expect a better game this year that last. Don't believe all the Hermantown hype as most of the hypers have an agenda. Last years Hermantown team was senior heavy and deeper that this team. The teams that played STA would smoke this current team. In the last 6 years I would place this team better than 2013 and maybe 2011. It's a good team, but it's no lake ills north. It's too bad that since the 07 crash, hockey in general and 7A including Marshall, has declined. Hermantown has been able to maintain for the most part in a pond that has lowered. I expect a tight game with Bemidgi and not so much with Marshall.
The teams that played STA would smoke this current team? I don't believe that for a second. You may have been senior heavy last year, but not in talent, as Kero and Pionk were the only "Elite" seniors. This year, you have seven Elite league players, three more Elite Prep players, and a goalie that was All-State last year.
2014 was the weakest Hermantown team I've seen in a looong time, and they still made the title game!
And I disagree that "the pond has been lowered in 7A". Hibbing has its best team in a decade at least, Greenway is having a great resurgence, Denfeld is consistently putting out solid teams, and Virginia and Eveleth have some excellent young players on varsity or about to hit varsity soon. Even North Shore and Proctor are improved. 7A is improving as a whole, no doubt about it.
And how would you know how good 7A is anyway? Your average Hawk player plays 200 games over four years of AA Pee Wees and Bantams, and they will be lucky to play a total of 5 games versus teams from 7A. And the Hermantown varsity plays a whopping six games versus 7A teams this year, so how would they be able to tell if 7A team were better or worse?
I know this is the part where you get really angry and tell me to go improve my own "lame-a$$" program, but I just want you to admit one thing: You would rather dominate in single A than be one of 10-15 excellent AA programs.
From the ages of 12-18, the only time your players will play more than 2 Class A teams in a row is in the Class A playoffs. You call that being a Class A team?
Last years team had Kero, Pionk, Koepke, Aamont, Sandelin, Jacques, Valure, Baker and Samberg at the end of the year. Also Olson in nets. Also 3 additional good senior F and 2 good senior D. The only new elite player ls sophomore Watkins. Last years team was deeper. Your numbers are wrong.
I agree, Plante knows how to coach and their program is excellent, which is why they should be in AA.Wet Paint wrote:No matter what the people from Hermantown try to tell you if you have watched them over the years they are good. Sure, right now they may have a hiccup here and there but across the board they are always very good. Plante is a near genius when it comes to systems and teaching them. His work with Defensemen and Forwards is amazing. I am not so sure about goalies as none of them have ever gone anyplace or done anything and it always seems like if you get to them you pretty much score on them at will. I believe that the last several years since they have gone on their 2nd place in state run that pretty much every time their goalies have let them down in the last game of the year. Since they have the same ones this year as last it will probably be the same this year. I have always wondered what a game against East would be like since historically East has always been good and has had the depth and scoring punch to get to a goalie often enough during a game to expose the weak ones.
This year will be no different. They play AA teams during the season but lets face it. Although they are teams made up of nice kids and etc etc nobody really lays awake the night before a game with most of them and worries about them. I think they will run the table this year again. Possible losses against GR and Farmington but right now GR is all over the place with unproven D and goalies and forwards who don't have a track record for consistent output. Their 1 win this year against a team that has anything going on (sorry Virginia) was against a team who only managed to beat Duluth Marshal by 1 goal (who in turn got shutout by C-E-C and was beaten by Proctor). Farmington I don't know about but when I look at the top teams in the state they are not there so I am going to assume they don't make BSM or EP or teams like that lay awake at night either so more than likely Hermantown will go through them like a hot know through butter.
Hermantown is good, they are very very good and will blow through their section (sorry rainer) and into state again where they will probably lose the last game again because somebody figures out away to deal with them and has the depth and skilled players to pull it off.
I think Marshall will benefit from this move to AA in a few years but it will be tough for the next couple of them. I think that as they get more exposure more kids (including kids from Hermantown) will migrate that way. As expensive as hockey is to play I can't imagine having a kid playing for Hermantown and paying all of that money and then having the big question in my mind be whether or not they will be able to beat over half of the teams on their schedule by double digits.rainier wrote:The game will be shown on TV locally on My9, and there is also a live stream available from iFan- http://www.ifan.tv/page/show/871427-live-webcast
As the old saying goes, Rome was not built in a day. it will get there and when they do, Hermantown will really feel the pinch.Hermhawkey wrote:How's that working for 0-5 Marshall and their AA move? They lose to unranked single A team Proctor?! All while taking kids from all around the northland to include Wisconsin?
Hermantown has beaten Marshall how many times in a row now? 12? 13? And Marshall thinks AA is where they belong, but Hermantown doesn't.Hermhawkey wrote:How's that working for 0-5 Marshall and their AA move? They lose to unranked single A team Proctor?! All while taking kids from all around the northland to include Wisconsin?