Grand Rapids at Hermantown

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:38 pm

Who wins?

gitter · Post by **gitter** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:45 pm

It would be a nice win for GR, but I'm taking the Class A in this one.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:58 pm

Bruce Plante and the "Class A public school champs"....4-1

kniven · Post by **kniven** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:06 pm

elliott70 wrote:Who wins?

I have many friends in who live inHermantown. They all tell me Hermantown hockey is single A because they can't compete with double AA. I disagree, but he must know something. Grand Rapids is AA and Hermantown is A. = AA beats A according to my friend.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:21 pm

kniven wrote:
elliott70 wrote:Who wins?

I have many friends in who live inHermantown. They all tell me Hermantown hockey is single A because they can't compete with double AA. I disagree, but he must know something. Grand Rapids is AA and Hermantown is A. = AA beats A according to my friend.

I have a nephew that plays youth hockey for a AA HTown team. I am not sure how he and his parents feel about it.
But now that you have me thinking I am going to ask them (and my close friend, Jim Knapp, that lives in HT and knows a bit about hockey).

Froggy Richards · Post by **Froggy Richards** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:37 pm

kniven wrote:
elliott70 wrote:Who wins?

I have many friends in who live inHermantown. They all tell me Hermantown hockey is single A because they can't compete with double AA. I disagree, but he must know something. Grand Rapids is AA and Hermantown is A. = AA beats A according to my friend.

It's all BS. If that were true then they wouldn't be AA in Bantam and Peewee. They are chasing trips to State and Trophies, just like STA was. The difference is that STA figured it out after awhile.

Hermantown draws players from an area 10 times the size of Rapids and Cloquet and AA seems to work just fine for them. Not to mention Roseau, which is tiny in comparison.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:53 pm

Froggy Richards wrote:
kniven wrote:
elliott70 wrote:Who wins?

I have many friends in who live inHermantown. They all tell me Hermantown hockey is single A because they can't compete with double AA. I disagree, but he must know something. Grand Rapids is AA and Hermantown is A. = AA beats A according to my friend.

It's all BS. If that were true then they wouldn't be AA in Bantam and Peewee. They are chasing trips to State and Trophies, just like STA was. The difference is that STA figured it out after awhile.

Hermantown draws players from an area 10 times the size of Rapids and Cloquet and AA seems to work just fine for them. Not to mention Roseau, which is tiny in comparison.

Tiny anyway you look at it.

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:10 pm

MSHSL enrollments:
Hermantown 615
Cloquet 586
Grand Rapids 941
Roseau. 371
As far as hockey resources like quality feeder program how would you rank these 4 programs?

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:19 pm

kniven wrote:
elliott70 wrote:Who wins?

I have many friends in who live inHermantown. They all tell me Hermantown hockey is single A because they can't compete with double AA. I disagree, but he must know something. Grand Rapids is AA and Hermantown is A. = AA beats A according to my friend.

Remember this AA team is a below .500 AA team.

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:30 pm

Froggy Richards wrote:
kniven wrote:
elliott70 wrote:Who wins?

I have many friends in who live inHermantown. They all tell me Hermantown hockey is single A because they can't compete with double AA. I disagree, but he must know something. Grand Rapids is AA and Hermantown is A. = AA beats A according to my friend.
It's all BS. If that were true then they wouldn't be AA in Bantam and Peewee. They are chasing trips to State and Trophies, just like STA was. The difference is that STA figured it out after awhile.

Hermantown draws players from an area 10 times the size of Rapids and Cloquet and AA seems to work just fine for them. Not to mention Roseau, which is tiny in comparison.

You sure seem bitter. Beaten by the small school one too many times?
You also like to spew quite a bit of BS yourself.

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:33 pm

alcloseshaver wrote:MSHSL enrollments:
Hermantown 615
Cloquet 586
Grand Rapids 941
Roseau. 371
As far as hockey resources like quality feeder program how would you rank these 4 programs?

I think you are missing the Esko/Carlton part.
It's CEC as in Cloquet, Esko and Carlton.
Karson Kuhlman, UMD Bulldog is from Esko you know.
Played for Cloquet.

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:37 pm

pekyman wrote:
Froggy Richards wrote:
kniven wrote:
I have many friends in who live inHermantown. They all tell me Hermantown hockey is single A because they can't compete with double AA. I disagree, but he must know something. Grand Rapids is AA and Hermantown is A. = AA beats A according to my friend.
It's all BS. If that were true then they wouldn't be AA in Bantam and Peewee. They are chasing trips to State and Trophies, just like STA was. The difference is that STA figured it out after awhile.

Hermantown draws players from an area 10 times the size of Rapids and Cloquet and AA seems to work just fine for them. Not to mention Roseau, which is tiny in comparison.
You sure seem bitter. Beaten by the small school one too many times?
You also like to spew quite a bit of BS yourself.

As far as Roseau, did you know that thier program has 3 sheets of indoor ice and that one of them, the NORTH RINK, is open 365 days a year.
Many in their program attribute the success of the team there in large part to that rink. That's what I have heard anyway.
FYI, Hermantown has 1 sheet of indoor ice for its entire High School Boys and Girls program and Youth Hockey.

Froggy Richards · Post by **Froggy Richards** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:37 pm

pekyman wrote:
Froggy Richards wrote:
kniven wrote:
I have many friends in who live inHermantown. They all tell me Hermantown hockey is single A because they can't compete with double AA. I disagree, but he must know something. Grand Rapids is AA and Hermantown is A. = AA beats A according to my friend.
It's all BS. If that were true then they wouldn't be AA in Bantam and Peewee. They are chasing trips to State and Trophies, just like STA was. The difference is that STA figured it out after awhile.

Hermantown draws players from an area 10 times the size of Rapids and Cloquet and AA seems to work just fine for them. Not to mention Roseau, which is tiny in comparison.
You sure seem bitter. Beaten by the small school one too many times?
You also like to spew quite a bit of BS yourself.

Which part of my post is BS? You left that part out.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:39 pm

pekyman wrote:
alcloseshaver wrote:MSHSL enrollments:
Hermantown 615
Cloquet 586
Grand Rapids 941
Roseau. 371
As far as hockey resources like quality feeder program how would you rank these 4 programs?
I think you are missing the Esko/Carlton part.
It's CEC as in Cloquet, Esko and Carlton.
Karson Kuhlman, UMD Bulldog is from Esko you know.
Played for Cloquet.

Esko 367
Carlton 117
Cloquet 586
Total 1070

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:40 pm

Froggy Richards wrote:
pekyman wrote:
Froggy Richards wrote: It's all BS. If that were true then they wouldn't be AA in Bantam and Peewee. They are chasing trips to State and Trophies, just like STA was. The difference is that STA figured it out after awhile.

Hermantown draws players from an area 10 times the size of Rapids and Cloquet and AA seems to work just fine for them. Not to mention Roseau, which is tiny in comparison.
You sure seem bitter. Beaten by the small school one too many times?
You also like to spew quite a bit of BS yourself.
Which part of my post is BS? You left that part out.

Pretty much all of it.

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:42 pm

elliott70 wrote:
pekyman wrote:
alcloseshaver wrote:MSHSL enrollments:
Hermantown 615
Cloquet 586
Grand Rapids 941
Roseau. 371
As far as hockey resources like quality feeder program how would you rank these 4 programs?
I think you are missing the Esko/Carlton part.
It's CEC as in Cloquet, Esko and Carlton.
Karson Kuhlman, UMD Bulldog is from Esko you know.
Played for Cloquet.
Esko 367
Carlton 117
Cloquet 586
Total 1070

Thank you

Froggy Richards · Post by **Froggy Richards** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:48 pm

pekyman wrote:
Froggy Richards wrote:
pekyman wrote: You sure seem bitter. Beaten by the small school one too many times?
You also like to spew quite a bit of BS yourself.
Which part of my post is BS? You left that part out.
Pretty much all of it.

That's what I thought, so in other words you can't dispute any of it.

hadenuf · Post by **hadenuf** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:52 pm

There is an easy fix to the problem with Hermantown. The "AA" schools should refuse to play them. Let's see how many kids want to play a schedule full of the Greenway's and Moose Lake's

(sorry Rebels, no dis intended).

Froggy Richards · Post by **Froggy Richards** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:53 pm

alcloseshaver wrote:MSHSL enrollments:
Hermantown 615
Cloquet 586
Grand Rapids 941
Roseau. 371
As far as hockey resources like quality feeder program how would you rank these 4 programs?

Enrollments are only a small part of the story. Herb Brooks always said the key was the base of the Pyramid.

Number of Mite Teams:

Hermantown - 10
Rapids - 7
CEC - Not listed, probably in the 7-8 range.
Roseau - 3

Hermantown also pulls in several top players at the Youth level from Gary-Morgan Park and Piedmont in Duluth. A few from Proctor and Twig as well.

NLHockey · Post by **NLHockey** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:55 pm

hadenuf wrote:There is an easy fix to the problem with Hermantown. The "AA" schools should refuse to play them. Let's see how many kids want to play a schedule full of the Greenway's and Moose Lake's (sorry Rebels, no dis intended).

Randolph is on to something

Froggy Richards · Post by **Froggy Richards** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:55 pm

pekyman wrote:
pekyman wrote:
Froggy Richards wrote: It's all BS. If that were true then they wouldn't be AA in Bantam and Peewee. They are chasing trips to State and Trophies, just like STA was. The difference is that STA figured it out after awhile.

Hermantown draws players from an area 10 times the size of Rapids and Cloquet and AA seems to work just fine for them. Not to mention Roseau, which is tiny in comparison.
You sure seem bitter. Beaten by the small school one too many times?
You also like to spew quite a bit of BS yourself.
As far as Roseau, did you know that thier program has 3 sheets of indoor ice and that one of them, the NORTH RINK, is open 365 days a year.
Many in their program attribute the success of the team there in large part to that rink. That's what I have heard anyway.
FYI, Hermantown has 1 sheet of indoor ice for its entire High School Boys and Girls program and Youth Hockey.

Wrong. Hermantown Girls co-op with Proctor at the High School and Youth level and use their rink 50% of the time. Doesn't matter anyway. Ice is ice, indoors or out.

northwoods oldtimer · Post by **northwoods oldtimer** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:05 pm

Froggy Richards wrote:
alcloseshaver wrote:MSHSL enrollments:
Hermantown 615
Cloquet 586
Grand Rapids 941
Roseau. 371
As far as hockey resources like quality feeder program how would you rank these 4 programs?
Enrollments are only a small part of the story. Herb Brooks always said the key was the base of the Pyramid.

Number of Mite Teams:

Hermantown - 10
Rapids - 7
CEC - Not listed, probably in the 7-8 range.
Roseau - 3

Hermantown also pulls in several top players at the Youth level from Gary-Morgan Park and Piedmont in Duluth. A few from Proctor and Twig as well.

They recruit don't let Plante fool you. I like hadenuf's idea a lot.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:07 pm

Froggy Richards wrote:They are chasing trips to State and Trophies...

Isn't that the point?

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:10 pm

Froggy Richards wrote:
alcloseshaver wrote:MSHSL enrollments:
Hermantown 615
Cloquet 586
Grand Rapids 941
Roseau. 371
As far as hockey resources like quality feeder program how would you rank these 4 programs?
Enrollments are only a small part of the story. Herb Brooks always said the key was the base of the Pyramid.

Number of Mite Teams:

Hermantown - 10
Rapids - 7
CEC - Not listed, probably in the 7-8 range.
Roseau - 3

Hermantown also pulls in several top players at the Youth level from Gary-Morgan Park and Piedmont in Duluth. A few from Proctor and Twig as well.

Herm has 3 Bantam teams same as GR. Many years there are 2.
This season Bantam AA is 6-17-2 with losses to GR, East, Cloquet and many others. Don't worry so much I think after this year your going to see a much weaker Hawks team.

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:17 pm

Froggy Richards wrote:
pekyman wrote:
pekyman wrote: You sure seem bitter. Beaten by the small school one too many times?
You also like to spew quite a bit of BS yourself.
As far as Roseau, did you know that thier program has 3 sheets of indoor ice and that one of them, the NORTH RINK, is open 365 days a year.
Many in their program attribute the success of the team there in large part to that rink. That's what I have heard anyway.
FYI, Hermantown has 1 sheet of indoor ice for its entire High School Boys and Girls program and Youth Hockey.
Wrong. Hermantown Girls co-op with Proctor at the High School and Youth level and use their rink 50% of the time. Doesn't matter anyway. Ice is ice, indoors or out.

Last time I checked outdoor ice was susceptible to changes in the weather whereas indoor ice is pretty much available all year long.

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