Senior Goalie of the Year
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Senior Goalie of the Year
Semi-finalists have been announced:
Maggie Malecha - Northfield
Kenzie Cole - Grand Rapids
Annika Lavender - Wayzata
Jori Jones - Roseville
Carley Tuman - Woodbury
Angie Lombardi - Eastview
Hannah Fritz - CDH
Abby Pajari - Proctor/Hermantown
Kendra Nordick - Warroad
Sophia Johnson - Minnetonka
Leah Bosch - Hopkins
Ashley Hess - Elk River
Surprises or omissions? Rimstad? Haag? Van Stelten? Lang? I suppose the latter three didn't play all/most of her team's games so that's probably a consideration?
Maybe j4241 can run numbers on goalies against top 10/20/all teams like skaters?
Maggie Malecha - Northfield
Kenzie Cole - Grand Rapids
Annika Lavender - Wayzata
Jori Jones - Roseville
Carley Tuman - Woodbury
Angie Lombardi - Eastview
Hannah Fritz - CDH
Abby Pajari - Proctor/Hermantown
Kendra Nordick - Warroad
Sophia Johnson - Minnetonka
Leah Bosch - Hopkins
Ashley Hess - Elk River
Surprises or omissions? Rimstad? Haag? Van Stelten? Lang? I suppose the latter three didn't play all/most of her team's games so that's probably a consideration?
Maybe j4241 can run numbers on goalies against top 10/20/all teams like skaters?
Re: Senior Goalie of the Year
Here's a quick summary from the Hub, in order of last name (thru today):Eagles93 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:07 pm Semi-finalists have been announced:
Maggie Malecha - Northfield
Kenzie Cole - Grand Rapids
Annika Lavender - Wayzata
Jori Jones - Roseville
Carley Tuman - Woodbury
Angie Lombardi - Eastview
Hannah Fritz - CDH
Abby Pajari - Proctor/Hermantown
Kendra Nordick - Warroad
Sophia Johnson - Minnetonka
Leah Bosch - Hopkins
Ashley Hess - Elk River
Surprises or omissions? Rimstad? Haag? Van Stelten? Lang? I suppose the latter three didn't play all/most of her team's games so that's probably a consideration?
Maybe j4241 can run numbers on goalies against top 10/20/all teams like skaters?
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First Last GP MIN W L T SOG SV GA GAA SV% SO
Leah Bosch 26 1114 5 17 0 936 866 70 3.2 0.925 1
Kenzie Cole 27 1341 18 9 0 588 543 45 1.71 0.923 8
Hannah Fritz 27 1332 16 8 2 773 719 54 2.07 0.93 2
Ashley Hess 25 1285 11 12 2 705 642 63 2.5 0.911 2
Sophia Johnson 26 1176 17 6 0 465 424 41 1.78 0.912 5
Jori Jones 26 975 12 5 2 480 444 36 1.88 0.925 3
Annika Lavender 26 1283 16 8 1 537 489 48 1.91 0.911 7
Angie Lombardi 25 1296 11 13 1 743 667 76 2.99 0.898 1
Maggie Malecha 26 1350 18 5 3 656 618 38 1.44 0.942 7
Kendra Nordick 26 1087 17 3 1 386 362 24 1.13 0.938 8
Abby Pajari 25 1169 16 7 1 539 509 30 1.31 0.944 5
Carley Tuman 26 1309 14 12 0 803 740 63 2.45 0.922 7
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First Last GP MIN W L T SOG SV GA GAA SV% SO
Sophia Johnson 12 615.55 6 6 0 298 267 31 2.57 0.896 0
Re: Senior Goalie of the Year
Too much, but I added PageStat strength of schedule ranking above.Eagles93 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:07 pm Semi-finalists have been announced:
Maggie Malecha - Northfield (74)
Kenzie Cole - Grand Rapids (49)
Annika Lavender - Wayzata (3)
Jori Jones - Roseville (41)
Carley Tuman - Woodbury (55)
Angie Lombardi - Eastview (19)
Hannah Fritz - CDH (24)
Abby Pajari - Proctor/Hermantown (33)
Kendra Nordick - Warroad (36)
Sophia Johnson - Minnetonka (4)
Leah Bosch - Hopkins (70)
Ashley Hess - Elk River (9)
Surprises or omissions? Rimstad? Haag? Van Stelten? Lang? I suppose the latter three didn't play all/most of her team's games so that's probably a consideration?
Maybe j4241 can run numbers on goalies against top 10/20/all teams like skaters?
Re: Senior Goalie of the Year
Lavendar actually had a tougher schedule than Johnson, at least in terms of games against top 20 teams. Fairly similar stats:
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First Last GP MIN W L T SOG SV GA GAA SV% SO
Annika Lavendar 15 773.00 6 8 1 380 337 43 2.84 0.887 1
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Re: Senior Goalie of the Year
Wow! You guys have an awesome amount of time. Thanks for doing this. From looking at the numbers how is this not a race between Johnson and Lavendar? Pajair has good numbers but plays some really really bad teams.
Re: Senior Goalie of the Year
Hope I'm not offending anyone by pointing this out, but why are there 12 nominees? 114 teams, probably a bit under 5 senior skaters per team or about 500 seniors competing for 10 Ms. Hockey candidates. Those same 114 teams probably have (at most) an average of less than one senior goalie per team, or 100 total competing, but they get more candidates?
Anyway, as all the goalie parents know, goalie stats are a total joke compared to the also very flawed points. Might be interesting to look at PK% vs top 10 and 20 teams - that's at least objective (goal vs no goal), and dials focus in on the goalie contribution relative to the D (although impossible to separate). You really need a high danger chance save %, and that's not available in high school. My guess is Johnson and Lavendar would still both look pretty good by that measure - Tonka controls the puck a lot but gives up bad chances with the run and gun style, and Wayzata's D are more defensively oriented but aren't as skilled so also give up more.
Anyway, as all the goalie parents know, goalie stats are a total joke compared to the also very flawed points. Might be interesting to look at PK% vs top 10 and 20 teams - that's at least objective (goal vs no goal), and dials focus in on the goalie contribution relative to the D (although impossible to separate). You really need a high danger chance save %, and that's not available in high school. My guess is Johnson and Lavendar would still both look pretty good by that measure - Tonka controls the puck a lot but gives up bad chances with the run and gun style, and Wayzata's D are more defensively oriented but aren't as skilled so also give up more.
Re: Senior Goalie of the Year
I think I read somewhere that 3 nominees tied for 10th, so they expanded the pool to 12 this year.j4241 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:18 am Hope I'm not offending anyone by pointing this out, but why are there 12 nominees? 114 teams, probably a bit under 5 senior skaters per team or about 500 seniors competing for 10 Ms. Hockey candidates. Those same 114 teams probably have (at most) an average of less than one senior goalie per team, or 100 total competing, but they get more candidates?
Anyway, as all the goalie parents know, goalie stats are a total joke compared to the also very flawed points. Might be interesting to look at PK% vs top 10 and 20 teams - that's at least objective (goal vs no goal), and dials focus in on the goalie contribution relative to the D (although impossible to separate). You really need a high danger chance save %, and that's not available in high school. My guess is Johnson and Lavendar would still both look pretty good by that measure - Tonka controls the puck a lot but gives up bad chances with the run and gun style, and Wayzata's D are more defensively oriented but aren't as skilled so also give up more.
As to your more general question, as to why there are 10 candidates. Five get invited to the banquet. They probably want two rounds of voting. And they won't reduce the finalists from 5 to a hypothetical 3, because that would mean less banquet revenue.