Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:Everyone is talking about BE but no one knows what's really up. Fact - they didn't field teams this summer at any level. Some not playing, many others scattered around various OS, Blades, etc. teams. Generally "known" (but not at all known) is that they only had provisional tier 1 status and MN hockey said development only after that expired. No idea if that is even close to the truth. Not much recruiting info available around the tourney circuit this summer.
BE will possibly be fielding 2 U19 teams this season. The MN tier status means they can't play for the national title, that is it, other wise business as usual. They are on our schedule to play this fall and winter. By the way I know you are not well versed in Tier hockey but no one fields a summer team. Even the CYA team my daughter played on in the Meltdown was made up of mainly non CYA players.
Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:Everyone is talking about BE but no one knows what's really up. Fact - they didn't field teams this summer at any level. Some not playing, many others scattered around various OS, Blades, etc. teams. Generally "known" (but not at all known) is that they only had provisional tier 1 status and MN hockey said development only after that expired. No idea if that is even close to the truth. Not much recruiting info available around the tourney circuit this summer.
BE will possibly be fielding 2 U19 teams this season. The MN tier status means they can't play for the national title, that is it, other wise business as usual. They are on our schedule to play this fall and winter. By the way I know you are not well versed in Tier hockey but no one fields a summer team. Even the CYA team my daughter played on in the Meltdown was made up of mainly non CYA players.
Clearly I am "not well versed in Tier hockey." Lol. Still pretty sure AA/BE/Rev have fielded summer teams under their own name/names in the past. "Our schedule" - what schedule is that? CYA and non-CYA CYA?
And not being eligible to play for the national championship sure seems different than what BE sold it's program as - national championships as "business as usual." Maybe only the marketing has to change...
Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:Everyone is talking about BE but no one knows what's really up. Fact - they didn't field teams this summer at any level. Some not playing, many others scattered around various OS, Blades, etc. teams. Generally "known" (but not at all known) is that they only had provisional tier 1 status and MN hockey said development only after that expired. No idea if that is even close to the truth. Not much recruiting info available around the tourney circuit this summer.
BE will possibly be fielding 2 U19 teams this season. The MN tier status means they can't play for the national title, that is it, other wise business as usual. They are on our schedule to play this fall and winter. By the way I know you are not well versed in Tier hockey but no one fields a summer team. Even the CYA team my daughter played on in the Meltdown was made up of mainly non CYA players.
Clearly I am "not well versed in Tier hockey." Lol. Still pretty sure AA/BE/Rev have fielded summer teams under their own name/names in the past. "Our schedule" - what schedule is that? CYA and non-CYA CYA?
And not being eligible to play for the national championship sure seems different than what BE sold it's program as - national championships as "business as usual." Maybe only the marketing has to change...
BE players will be able to compete for a National Championship just like MSHSL players now through Elite League teams. Since BE is ineligible to compete for a National Championship on their own normal Tier 1 Roster rules and requirements do not apply to BE. Their players can play on multiple teams and rosters the way I understand it. BE will also have the freedom to move players from one of their teams to another and even add players throughout the season after December roster deadline unlike other Tier 1 teams.
AAA it would be best to check with the Mn Hockey registrar, for in season teams for a player to move from one USA Hockey registered means being removed from 1 roster and added to another after 12/31 no moved, pre/post is handeled different.
In regard to transfers, both on this thread and the thread over on the “Girls Youth Hockey” side, let's all remind ourselves that families of boys/girls move-on for all various reasons. Some speculate beyond personal boundaries. Every situation is different. At our high school, we're gaining two very nice players - one from outstate, and one from the metro area. We're also losing two due to family situations. Speculate as you will on either side, but don't judge their character. Especially the kids!
As for the BE/Revolution, there are so many good players there, and I believe they should be allowed to go back to their original high schools if they want to. Sorry if I digress for a moment, but why should they be penalized when no past precedent has been previously set? Blame both MNH and MSHSL directly on that one. No, my daughter does not play for them, nor do I have any strong connections. It just makes sense. MNH has failed to be direct and up front with the hockey community and their 55,000+ paid members on their decisions, or pending decisions. Their pre-meeting agendas are blank, then big decisions such as Tier 1 and U15 hockey get made within special conference call meetings. Look at the last notes posted to MHH - did anyone know what was coming with either?
Digression complete.
Target your angst toward that process rather than a kid who move schools.Beyond that, there's always good reasons why people decides to leave a school. A much better reason than anyone here can even begin to speculate on. I'm finding it disturbing that people like "Clapper" on another thread are calling out others that they sleep with other people's wives. Seriously? Has Clapper been banned yet? I'm to the point of revoking my name to this forum if "Clapper" and others start personalizing and targeting boys, girls, parents.
Karl East, do you approve of this crap? If so, ban me right now. If not, Clapper and his ID address should be sent to the person targeted.
Let's keep a sense of mind to this. In some cases, people are calling out the last names of kids who are moving for their own reasons. If you have nothing positive to say about it, LEAVE THEM ALONE! Just keep this thread to who's leaving, going, or coming, rather than judging their charterer.
Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:Everyone is talking about BE but no one knows what's really up. Fact - they didn't field teams this summer at any level. Some not playing, many others scattered around various OS, Blades, etc. teams. Generally "known" (but not at all known) is that they only had provisional tier 1 status and MN hockey said development only after that expired. No idea if that is even close to the truth. Not much recruiting info available around the tourney circuit this summer.
BE will possibly be fielding 2 U19 teams this season. The MN tier status means they can't play for the national title, that is it, other wise business as usual. They are on our schedule to play this fall and winter. By the way I know you are not well versed in Tier hockey but no one fields a summer team. Even the CYA team my daughter played on in the Meltdown was made up of mainly non CYA players.
Clearly I am "not well versed in Tier hockey." Lol. Still pretty sure AA/BE/Rev have fielded summer teams under their own name/names in the past. "Our schedule" - what schedule is that? CYA and non-CYA CYA?
And not being eligible to play for the national championship sure seems different than what BE sold it's program as - national championships as "business as usual." Maybe only the marketing has to change...
CYA are Chicago young americans. What tournaments did the revolution play in this summer? The revolution has received allot of interest out of state and many players are not Minnesota. To play for nationals the final roster must be submitted 12/31.
Coachk wrote:
BE will possibly be fielding 2 U19 teams this season. The MN tier status means they can't play for the national title, that is it, other wise business as usual. They are on our schedule to play this fall and winter. By the way I know you are not well versed in Tier hockey but no one fields a summer team. Even the CYA team my daughter played on in the Meltdown was made up of mainly non CYA players.
Clearly I am "not well versed in Tier hockey." Lol. Still pretty sure AA/BE/Rev have fielded summer teams under their own name/names in the past. "Our schedule" - what schedule is that? CYA and non-CYA CYA?
And not being eligible to play for the national championship sure seems different than what BE sold it's program as - national championships as "business as usual." Maybe only the marketing has to change...
CYA are Chicago young americans. What tournaments did the revolution play in this summer? The revolution has received allot of interest out of state and many players are not Minnesota. To play for nationals the final roster must be submitted 12/31.
Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:
Clearly I am "not well versed in Tier hockey." Lol. Still pretty sure AA/BE/Rev have fielded summer teams under their own name/names in the past. "Our schedule" - what schedule is that? CYA and non-CYA CYA?
And not being eligible to play for the national championship sure seems different than what BE sold it's program as - national championships as "business as usual." Maybe only the marketing has to change...
CYA are Chicago young americans. What tournaments did the revolution play in this summer? The revolution has received allot of interest out of state and many players are not Minnesota. To play for nationals the final roster must be submitted 12/31.
No idea what you are even answering.[/quote
I am answering your reply, to let you know what CYA is and you stated BE was in summer tournaments and i asked you which ones. And the schedule i was referring to was my daughters tier 1 schedule. I know you are busy replying to everything on the forum, you should remember what you wrote. Sorry if old age is setting in.
Coachk wrote:
CYA are Chicago young americans. What tournaments did the revolution play in this summer? The revolution has received allot of interest out of state and many players are not Minnesota. To play for nationals the final roster must be submitted 12/31.
No idea what you are even answering.[/quote
I am answering your reply, to let you know what CYA is and you stated BE was in summer tournaments and i asked you which ones. And the schedule i was referring to was my daughters tier 1 schedule. I know you are busy replying to everything on the forum, you should remember what you wrote. Sorry if old age is setting in.
Honestly, why so hostile? You didn't answer anything I asked therefore, I was confused. I know what CYA is. Everyone does. You hadn't stated your child played for them, so the "our team" was confusing. I didn't say BE had fielded their own teams this year, but that there are BE girls scattered on various AAA teams across every tournament this summer (some great, some average.) I would think with your breadth of experience and knowledge you could be a positive contributor to these topics. Like Lace'emup commented, the juvenile put downs and posts that read as mean rather than sarcastic are entertaining but not adding value to any dialogue.
titleist wrote:
Roseville losing 3 varsity players from 2015 roster...
This is what I meant when I said "gutted."
Between graduation and transfers, losing your top goalie, an all conference defender, your leading scorer, and a player (to a conference rival) who would likely be a top-4 defender this year is never good.
They have a great player in 7th grade who plays PeeWee A (was the captain last year as a first-year) but the numbers are low on the girls side. Only 7-8 girls in 7th grade are playing.
What is going on over there? That has always been a good program and they have had players (Centennial, Hudson, etc) move in but suddenly kids are leaving? Ex-assistant coach's kid leaving? Whitecaps player leaving?
Roseville and WBL appear to be taking a big hit on the east side. Will they just be private school feeder programs going forward? That would be sad.
Every case of the kids that are leaving Roseville are different, but yet the same. Without getting into details, I'll just say that the school and the hockey program just isn't what it used to be..the kids, the effort, the school, and for some, the coaches...and that is why kids are leaving...
Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:To quote myself:
"Fact. They didn't field TEAMS this summer on any level."
Not being hostile, just kinda of tired of you putting things out there that you clearly don't know much about. You will come back with some mean comment as you usually do, and that''s ok, its expected. To say things about the BE program with no facts is irresponsible. They are doing quite well and frankly are not concerned about your thoughts of their program. My daughter does not play for BE and I only know things because I help schedule my daughters team when playing BE.
Feel free to point out where I was irresponsibly incorrect. I asked a simple question about what's next. There was nothing negative about it. If I EVER say anything factual it is from my own experience. Saying I put out info on this board or anywhere else that I know nothing about is completely false. I clearly recognize what I know and what I don't know especially in regards to girls vs boys hockey. With your experience you could easily be an asset to the newcomers; instead, THIS.
Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:
Clearly I am "not well versed in Tier hockey." Lol. Still pretty sure AA/BE/Rev have fielded summer teams under their own name/names in the past. "Our schedule" - what schedule is that? CYA and non-CYA CYA?
And not being eligible to play for the national championship sure seems different than what BE sold it's program as - national championships as "business as usual." Maybe only the marketing has to change...
ntmh........first you state that you are pretty sure BE fielded summer teams then in a complete reverse claim you know as fact they did not...
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Coachk was responding to your "CYA?" and you respond with a passive-aggressive response.....then complain about hostility..
everyone here recognizes that a certain pathology exists with you.....so keep up the good work
Here is some unsolicited advice: if your "child" does have a busted collarbone get medical advice from professionals,also, anecdotal advice from forum goobs such as us should be taken lightly.(or not at all)
I think we should all try to get this thread back on track and continue bashing kids for trying to improve their situation (whatever their reasons are), and their parents for trying to help them. What we really should do is start a thread and sticky it for teams that need players at certain positions so us parents have a a quick and easy resource to look at. Then you could get your booster clubs to create some kind of "signing bonus" for the new transfers. Performance based, of course.
Jesus.
I think my pathology is born of the fact that people are not reading very carefully.
Summer teams IN THE PAST.
I didn't ask about what CYA was I asked Coachk what he meant by "our team."
As far as my medical request, it was to ask on what others had personally experienced and best specialist/referral. Not so anyone can take a vote on what she/we should do.
Carry on. Nothing to see here.
jg2112 wrote:
This is what I meant when I said "gutted."
Between graduation and transfers, losing your top goalie, an all conference defender, your leading scorer, and a player (to a conference rival) who would likely be a top-4 defender this year is never good.
They have a great player in 7th grade who plays PeeWee A (was the captain last year as a first-year) but the numbers are low on the girls side. Only 7-8 girls in 7th grade are playing.
What is going on over there? That has always been a good program and they have had players (Centennial, Hudson, etc) move in but suddenly kids are leaving? Ex-assistant coach's kid leaving? Whitecaps player leaving?
Roseville and WBL appear to be taking a big hit on the east side. Will they just be private school feeder programs going forward? That would be sad.
Every case of the kids that are leaving Roseville are different, but yet the same. Without getting into details, I'll just say that the school and the hockey program just isn't what it used to be..the kids, the effort, the school, and for some, the coaches...and that is why kids are leaving...
Don't you think it's a numbers problem more than anything else? Roseville simply doesn't have the number of girls playing to sustain any significant defections.
Example: I believe there are seven girls playing that are going into 7th grade. That's it. 3 play PeeWees, the others will be second year U12s. They almost need every one of those girls to be varsity caliber to avoid a talent deficit against other Suburban East team. That's asking a lot.
I get what you're saying, but man, 3 years ago this team was playing in the state title game and had 5-7 D1 players on the roster. Other than "number of quality players," how could other things (effort, school) change so quickly?
Mavs wrote:
What is going on over there? That has always been a good program and they have had players (Centennial, Hudson, etc) move in but suddenly kids are leaving? Ex-assistant coach's kid leaving? Whitecaps player leaving?
Roseville and WBL appear to be taking a big hit on the east side. Will they just be private school feeder programs going forward? That would be sad.
Every case of the kids that are leaving Roseville are different, but yet the same. Without getting into details, I'll just say that the school and the hockey program just isn't what it used to be..the kids, the effort, the school, and for some, the coaches...and that is why kids are leaving...
Don't you think it's a numbers problem more than anything else? Roseville simply doesn't have the number of girls playing to sustain any significant defections.
Example: I believe there are seven girls playing that are going into 7th grade. That's it. 3 play PeeWees, the others will be second year U12s. They almost need every one of those girls to be varsity caliber to avoid a talent deficit against other Suburban East team. That's asking a lot.
I get what you're saying, but man, 3 years ago this team was playing in the state title game and had 5-7 D1 players on the roster. Other than "number of quality players," how could other things (effort, school) change so quickly?
Its pretty simple...the people that have run this program at the youth level have run it into the ground. They have been supporting friends instead of trying to produce talented players. They have ignored suggestions from people who have been around and who want the program to succeed, so they can piss good money away on a training program that only delivers a watered down version of what it takes to continue a tradition. They've instilled mediocrity (at best), and are simply ok with losing, (as long as little Susie had fun...) And lastly, creating a safe environment for kids who don't like to work hard to chastise those kids who do like to work hard. Did I mention showing quality coaches the door so they can put popular with the parents coaches in...
If you look up and down the program, both boys and girls, I believe there was only one team that that finished higher than 3rd in any given division....that is brutal in my opinion.
Finally, they have hired Winny to take over their development program...but it might be 5 years too late.
Every case of the kids that are leaving Roseville are different, but yet the same. Without getting into details, I'll just say that the school and the hockey program just isn't what it used to be..the kids, the effort, the school, and for some, the coaches...and that is why kids are leaving...
Don't you think it's a numbers problem more than anything else? Roseville simply doesn't have the number of girls playing to sustain any significant defections.
Example: I believe there are seven girls playing that are going into 7th grade. That's it. 3 play PeeWees, the others will be second year U12s. They almost need every one of those girls to be varsity caliber to avoid a talent deficit against other Suburban East team. That's asking a lot.
I get what you're saying, but man, 3 years ago this team was playing in the state title game and had 5-7 D1 players on the roster. Other than "number of quality players," how could other things (effort, school) change so quickly?
Its pretty simple...the people that have run this program at the youth level have run it into the ground. They have been supporting friends instead of trying to produce talented players. They have ignored suggestions from people who have been around and who want the program to succeed, so they can piss good money away on a training program that only delivers a watered down version of what it takes to continue a tradition. They've instilled mediocrity (at best), and are simply ok with losing, (as long as little Susie had fun...) And lastly, creating a safe environment for kids who don't like to work hard to chastise those kids who do like to work hard. Did I mention showing quality coaches the door so they can put popular with the parents coaches in...
If you look up and down the program, both boys and girls, I believe there was only one team that that finished higher than 3rd in any given division....that is brutal in my opinion.
Finally, they have hired Winny to take over their development program...but it might be 5 years too late.
Plan to grow the game.
Use the Elem schools.
Have 3 levels
k-2
3-4
5-6
use outdoor rinks
play like they do at the 3v3 rinks not a lot of rules.
Charge 25.00$ and have schools print up jerseys
play coed
play after school
play after Christmas until mid Feb
Have an old fashioned bean feed at the end to celebrate the year.
I am willing to bet the first community that does this see's an increase in numbers both boys and girls within two years.
Elem schools? Yes, that would be a good use of all their extra money. Then we won't always be bothered with voting on those pesky referendums, the school districts begging to give us back our tax dollars.