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Post by east hockey » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:34 pm

stick wrote:
east hockey wrote:
stick wrote:
Looks easy from here wrote:
PuckU126 wrote:
Looks easy from here wrote:
PuckU126 wrote:
Looks easy from here wrote:There is no up side for east if they did play
I think a win over a Top Class A team is still a positive accomplishment.

8)
Who said they would win
Me.

8)
Just like I said no up side.
So where's the upside to playing Cambridge-Isanti?
Cambridge is 7AA.

Technically, yes, but Ashland is in the LSC and we all know how that's working out. (sorry Ashland, no disrespect intended).

Lee
Different situation. Especially considering that East isn't in the LSC, how does Ashland relate to Cambridge? It doesn't.

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Post by allstatebenders » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:30 pm

Didnt East try to join LSC this year again but the coaches denied it....? Then they would have probably played Hermantown.

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Post by Hockey North » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:30 pm

Yes, they tried and got voted down.
Once Randolph is gone, the teams will all play each other again. He is the reason why they dont play Hermantown or Marshall. Its has nothing to do with A or AA.

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Post by stick » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:34 pm

east hockey wrote:
stick wrote:
east hockey wrote:
stick wrote:
Looks easy from here wrote:
PuckU126 wrote:
Looks easy from here wrote:
PuckU126 wrote:
Looks easy from here wrote:There is no up side for east if they did play
I think a win over a Top Class A team is still a positive accomplishment.

8)
Who said they would win
Me.

8)
Just like I said no up side.
So where's the upside to playing Cambridge-Isanti?
Cambridge is 7AA.

Technically, yes, but Ashland is in the LSC and we all know how that's working out. (sorry Ashland, no disrespect intended).

Lee
Different situation. Especially considering that East isn't in the LSC, how does Ashland relate to Cambridge? It doesn't.

Lee
How does it compare? Seriously? East wants to play the best, so they avoid Marshall and Hermantown in their backyard, but play Cambridge! But hey, Cambridge is 7AA and Hermantown & Marshall are single A. Give me a break, the world wouldn't come crashing down if they played and lost to Hrmtwn or Marshall, but maybe some ego's would. (Ok, my rant is over).

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Post by gitter » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:07 pm

stick wrote:
east hockey wrote:
stick wrote:
east hockey wrote:
stick wrote:
Looks easy from here wrote:
PuckU126 wrote:
Looks easy from here wrote:
PuckU126 wrote:
Looks easy from here wrote:There is no up side for east if they did play
I think a win over a Top Class A team is still a positive accomplishment.

8)
Who said they would win
Me.

8)
Just like I said no up side.
So where's the upside to playing Cambridge-Isanti?
Cambridge is 7AA.

Technically, yes, but Ashland is in the LSC and we all know how that's working out. (sorry Ashland, no disrespect intended).

Lee
Different situation. Especially considering that East isn't in the LSC, how does Ashland relate to Cambridge? It doesn't.

Lee
How does it compare? Seriously? East wants to play the best, so they avoid Marshall and Hermantown in their backyard, but play Cambridge! But hey, Cambridge is 7AA and Hermantown & Marshall are single A. Give me a break, the world wouldn't come crashing down if they played and lost to Hrmtwn or Marshall, but maybe some ego's would. (Ok, my rant is over).
East schedules Cambridge because of seeding implications in 7AA. If Cambridge left 7AA I guarantee you they will not schedule Cambridge.

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Post by Sats81 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:02 pm

karl(east) wrote:
east hockey wrote:
karl(east) wrote:
hshockeyfan53 wrote:
east hockey wrote:
hshockeyfan53 wrote:Word around town is that Randolph declines Hermantown's invite every year because Hermantown beat East the last time they played a while back. Anybody know if this is true and when they last played? Score?
{sigh}

Karl? Comments? :roll:

Lee
So this isn't true? Help me out I'm just going on rumors here.
Hardly. If East chose not to play teams who once beat them way back when, they wouldn't be able to put together a schedule.

Reality is far more complicated.
This should have been in the FAQ or Newbie Guide as it's called on USCHO.com. :mrgreen:

I'm impressed with your restraint, by the way. Actually, the way you worded your response is perfect. Considering...well, you know. :)

Lee
Thanks. I have the wording down now after answering this 563 times.

To answer the other question, Hermantown beat East 4-2 near the end of the 98-99 season. East left the LSC the next year and they haven't played since.
Wonder if that game looks different with Finnegan sticking around his Sr yr? :lol:

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Post by HawkeyPower » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:03 pm

East schedules Cambridge because of seeding implications in 7AA. If Cambridge left 7AA I guarantee you they will not schedule Cambridge.[/quote]

Yes, because all the coaches in 7AA need to see everyones score against Cambridge to realize who is the top seed.

I would imagine Denfeld and Superior also have a impact as well.
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Post by stick » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:05 pm

gitter wrote:
stick wrote:
east hockey wrote:
stick wrote:
east hockey wrote:
stick wrote:
Looks easy from here wrote:
PuckU126 wrote:
Looks easy from here wrote:
PuckU126 wrote:
Looks easy from here wrote:There is no up side for east if they did play
I think a win over a Top Class A team is still a positive accomplishment.

8)
Who said they would win
Me.

8)
Just like I said no up side.
So where's the upside to playing Cambridge-Isanti?
Cambridge is 7AA.

Technically, yes, but Ashland is in the LSC and we all know how that's working out. (sorry Ashland, no disrespect intended).

Lee
Different situation. Especially considering that East isn't in the LSC, how does Ashland relate to Cambridge? It doesn't.

Lee
How does it compare? Seriously? East wants to play the best, so they avoid Marshall and Hermantown in their backyard, but play Cambridge! But hey, Cambridge is 7AA and Hermantown & Marshall are single A. Give me a break, the world wouldn't come crashing down if they played and lost to Hrmtwn or Marshall, but maybe some ego's would. (Ok, my rant is over).
East schedules Cambridge because of seeding implications in 7AA. If Cambridge left 7AA I guarantee you they will not schedule Cambridge.
Fair enough.

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Post by HShockeywatcher » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:50 pm

Sats81 wrote: Wonder if that game looks different with Finnegan sticking around his Sr yr? :lol:
That is the "reason" they'll give yes, but very few teams play all the teams in their section; is anyone really trying to play it off like East would get ranked lower for not having played St Francis or Cambridge?

There are no on-ice reasons for them not to play and there are no financial reasons [that I can think of] either.
allstatebenders wrote:Didnt East try to join LSC this year again but the coaches denied it....? Then they would have probably played Hermantown.
Who seriously voted against that? Denfeld and Cloquet already play East and Superior did last year. I'm sure Hermantown and Marshall would want them in as well. If they really tried to get in and were denied for some reason, then I don't know that we can blame them for not playing H-town/Marshall... :shock:

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Post by StreetStix » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:58 pm

Yea I don't know too many specifics, but I know they were indeed voted down on getting into the LSC. Seemed weird to me as well.

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Post by ozone1 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:55 am

Wow, Really? two quality high school teams in the same area and they don't play? There is NO good reason. Ask the 20 players on each team if they wanted to play, it would 40-0 vote to play..,. this has nothing to do with A & AA schedules, it has to do with stupidity.

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Post by MNHockeyFan » Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:33 am

ozone1 wrote:..,. this has nothing to do with A & AA schedules, it has to do with stupidity.
Or big EGOS...

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Post by blacklung » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:03 am

Hypothetical speaking, lets say that:
East undefeated State 2A champs.
Hermantown undefeated State 1A champs.
Both teams agreed to play after the State Tourney at the Amsoil Arena.
Could this game actually happen if both teams wanted it or are there rules, regs, etc. that would prevent it?

I will say that if I was the coach/parent/fan of the 2A team, I am not sure I would do this.
I am just wondering if it could ever happen.

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Post by DMan-dad » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:23 am

Hockey North wrote:Yes, they tried and got voted down.
Once Randolph is gone, the teams will all play each other again. He is the reason why they dont play Hermantown or Marshall. Its has nothing to do with A or AA.
Maybe it's not as imminent as I thought...

This is from the Randolph story in the Duluth News Tribune today:
DNT wrote:While several other coaching fathers have stepped down to continue to watch their sons play in college, Randolph says he has no plans to leave the sport behind.

“If I don’t coach at East, I’ll be coaching somewhere because coaching is in my blood,” he said. “I’m not going to quit coaching — I don’t know how to paint.”

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Post by Hawkyfan70 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:25 am

DMan-dad wrote:
Hockey North wrote:Yes, they tried and got voted down.
Once Randolph is gone, the teams will all play each other again. He is the reason why they dont play Hermantown or Marshall. Its has nothing to do with A or AA.
Maybe it's not as imminent as I thought...

This is from the Randolph story in the Duluth News Tribune today:
DNT wrote:While several other coaching fathers have stepped down to continue to watch their sons play in college, Randolph says he has no plans to leave the sport behind.

“If I don’t coach at East, I’ll be coaching somewhere because coaching is in my blood,” he said. “I’m not going to quit coaching — I don’t know how to paint.”
Very interesting........
Isn't Plante planning on stepping down after this year???

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Post by Krispy » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:08 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote: Who seriously voted against that? Denfeld and Cloquet already play East and Superior did last year. I'm sure Hermantown and Marshall would want them in as well. If they really tried to get in and were denied for some reason, then I don't know that we can blame them for not playing H-town/Marshall... :shock:
If I remember correctly, the vote was 5-2 in regards of East getting back into the LSC. The 5 schools that voted them down were the 5 smallest schools from the conference.

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Post by HShockeywatcher » Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:22 pm

Krispy wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote: Who seriously voted against that? Denfeld and Cloquet already play East and Superior did last year. I'm sure Hermantown and Marshall would want them in as well. If they really tried to get in and were denied for some reason, then I don't know that we can blame them for not playing H-town/Marshall... :shock:
If I remember correctly, the vote was 5-2 in regards of East getting back into the LSC. The 5 schools that voted them down were the 5 smallest schools from the conference.
Weird, I can understand Proctor and Ashland, but beyond that, makes no sense. Now this is why they don't play; had two schools changed their vote, they'd be in and playing. Seems like now East is not to blame.

Or am I missing something?
blacklung wrote:Hypothetical speaking, lets say that:
East undefeated State 2A champs.
Hermantown undefeated State 1A champs.
Both teams agreed to play after the State Tourney at the Amsoil Arena.
Could this game actually happen if both teams wanted it or are there rules, regs, etc. that would prevent it?

I will say that if I was the coach/parent/fan of the 2A team, I am not sure I would do this.
I am just wondering if it could ever happen.
The only reason to not want to is if you think there's a chance you'd lose. If you are good enough, you should want to show it off.

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Post by shotpassskate » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:41 pm

I would say East already played and beat the soon to be Class A state champs 5-4 STA. I don't see H-town or Marshall beating East.
I like it that East plays all the teams in section 7AA, they have a good schedule. Maybe it is the other teams that don't want to play East. Remember the 20 rip game vs. Marshall (I think that was the final).
East playing all the teams in section 7 is nice, it is better then what some teams do in other sections we willn't mention them as they are in 2AA and they will not play the Hornets or Stars.

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Post by nota612er » Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:26 pm

The LSC conference is much more than hockey...I believe it encompasses all boys and girls sports for the members. There certainly could be some hard feelings from when East left, but my memory of the vote is that it had much more to do with competitive balance across all sports. IMO it will just be a matter of time before East is back in. It certainly would be great to see HTown and East play for the reasons others have listed...pack the arena entertaining, kids played against and with each other for years, etc. While not apples to apples, it should be noted that while players have come and gone the core group of seniors and juniors from Htown and East played each other 2-5 times per year in the peewee and bantam ranks - and Htown never won a single game. I'm an Htown fan, but that's some serious scar tissue to overcome.......

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Post by cooperalls4ever » Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:41 pm

shotpassskate wrote:I would say East already played and beat the soon to be Class A state champs 5-4 STA. I don't see H-town or Marshall beating East.
I like it that East plays all the teams in section 7AA, they have a good schedule. Maybe it is the other teams that don't want to play East. Remember the 20 rip game vs. Marshall (I think that was the final).
East playing all the teams in section 7 is nice, it is better then what some teams do in other sections we willn't mention them as they are in 2AA and they will not play the Hornets or Stars.
That 2x-0 game was back in early 90s when D. Marshall didn't have enough kids out for hockey to even field a full squad. Different times.

Hermantown & D. East would be a very competitive game. Both teams have returned 15? players from last years squads. If you don't think Hermantown can play with East, just on a few comparisons from last year (I know there are many factors involved and that's why we play the games) Hermantown beat Grand Rapids 5-1 last year. East beat the 2-1 twice. Hermantown went to Eden Prairie in Feb.(who had 13-14 seniors) and it took them and some kid named Kyle Rau to score with one tic left on the clock in OT. I think we know how the AA championship ended. Hermantown just went to Grand Rapids Tuesday and won 5-2. D. East is up 3-1 as I'm typing this...

Soon to be Class A state champs... STA? :roll: and :lol: maybe you should wait for the Breck machup...after all STA couldn't score on SSP until the final 3min.? 1-0...hmmm, but A championships is the best STA metro all-stars can buy I guess... :wink:

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Post by HawkeyPower » Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:42 pm

nota612er wrote:The LSC conference is much more than hockey...I believe it encompasses all boys and girls sports for the members. There certainly could be some hard feelings from when East left, but my memory of the vote is that it had much more to do with competitive balance across all sports. IMO it will just be a matter of time before East is back in. It certainly would be great to see HTown and East play for the reasons others have listed...pack the arena entertaining, kids played against and with each other for years, etc. While not apples to apples, it should be noted that while players have come and gone the core group of seniors and juniors from Htown and East played each other 2-5 times per year in the peewee and bantam ranks - and Htown never won a single game. I'm an Htown fan, but that's some serious scar tissue to overcome.......
Very true on all accounts. Only the sophmores have beaten East as Peewees and Bantams.

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Post by blacklung » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:11 pm

HawkeyPower wrote:
nota612er wrote:The LSC conference is much more than hockey...I believe it encompasses all boys and girls sports for the members. There certainly could be some hard feelings from when East left, but my memory of the vote is that it had much more to do with competitive balance across all sports. IMO it will just be a matter of time before East is back in. It certainly would be great to see HTown and East play for the reasons others have listed...pack the arena entertaining, kids played against and with each other for years, etc. While not apples to apples, it should be noted that while players have come and gone the core group of seniors and juniors from Htown and East played each other 2-5 times per year in the peewee and bantam ranks - and Htown never won a single game. I'm an Htown fan, but that's some serious scar tissue to overcome.......
Very true on all accounts. Only the sophmores have beaten East as Peewees and Bantams.
No not true at all. When the current juniors were 2nd year PWA, Herm beat East in regions at Cloquet to advance to the Sunday Final game.

The next 2 years at Bantam, East, with the addition of Moore and Valesano to the team was too much for the Hawks 2nd and 3rd line to handle. 1st line and top D always skated with east.

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Post by HawkeyPower » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:19 pm

blacklung wrote:
HawkeyPower wrote:
nota612er wrote:The LSC conference is much more than hockey...I believe it encompasses all boys and girls sports for the members. There certainly could be some hard feelings from when East left, but my memory of the vote is that it had much more to do with competitive balance across all sports. IMO it will just be a matter of time before East is back in. It certainly would be great to see HTown and East play for the reasons others have listed...pack the arena entertaining, kids played against and with each other for years, etc. While not apples to apples, it should be noted that while players have come and gone the core group of seniors and juniors from Htown and East played each other 2-5 times per year in the peewee and bantam ranks - and Htown never won a single game. I'm an Htown fan, but that's some serious scar tissue to overcome.......
Very true on all accounts. Only the sophmores have beaten East as Peewees and Bantams.
Two years ago the bantams played East 4is times. 10-0,10-1,7-1 and 3-1.
Those games were not all the fault of the second and third lines.

No not true at all. When the current juniors were 2nd year PWA, Herm beat East in regions at Cloquet to advance to the Sunday Final game.

The next 2 years at Bantam, East, with the addition of Moore and Valesano to the team was too much for the Hawks 2nd and 3rd line to handle. 1st line and top D always skated with east.

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Post by blacklung » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:19 pm

blacklung wrote:
HawkeyPower wrote:
nota612er wrote:The LSC conference is much more than hockey...I believe it encompasses all boys and girls sports for the members. There certainly could be some hard feelings from when East left, but my memory of the vote is that it had much more to do with competitive balance across all sports. IMO it will just be a matter of time before East is back in. It certainly would be great to see HTown and East play for the reasons others have listed...pack the arena entertaining, kids played against and with each other for years, etc. While not apples to apples, it should be noted that while players have come and gone the core group of seniors and juniors from Htown and East played each other 2-5 times per year in the peewee and bantam ranks - and Htown never won a single game. I'm an Htown fan, but that's some serious scar tissue to overcome.......
Very true on all accounts. Only the sophmores have beaten East as Peewees and Bantams.
No not true at all. When the current juniors were 2nd year PWA, Herm beat East in regions at Cloquet to advance to the Sunday Final game.

The next 2 years at Bantam, East, with the addition of Moore and Valesano to the team was too much for the Hawks 2nd and 3rd line to handle. 1st line and top D always skated with east.
3-1-2008 Regionals:
PWA East vs Hermantown
Herm4
East 1

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Post by HawkeyPower » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:27 pm

blacklung wrote:
blacklung wrote:
HawkeyPower wrote:
nota612er wrote:The LSC conference is much more than hockey...I believe it encompasses all boys and girls sports for the members. There certainly could be some hard feelings from when East left, but my memory of the vote is that it had much more to do with competitive balance across all sports. IMO it will just be a matter of time before East is back in. It certainly would be great to see HTown and East play for the reasons others have listed...pack the arena entertaining, kids played against and with each other for years, etc. While not apples to apples, it should be noted that while players have come and gone the core group of seniors and juniors from Htown and East played each other 2-5 times per year in the peewee and bantam ranks - and Htown never won a single game. I'm an Htown fan, but that's some serious scar tissue to overcome.......
Very true on all accounts. Only the sophmores have beaten East as Peewees and Bantams.
No not true at all. When the current juniors were 2nd year PWA, Herm beat East in regions at Cloquet to advance to the Sunday Final game.

The next 2 years at Bantam, East, with the addition of Moore and Valesano to the team was too much for the Hawks 2nd and 3rd line to handle. 1st line and top D always skated with east.
3-1-2008 Regionals:
PWA East vs Hermantown
Herm4
East 1
They also beat East 1-0 at the end of January as well that same year.

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