Rules Interpretation - Penalties

BigDawg · Post by **BigDawg** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:48 pm

Here is the situation. Team A receives a 2-minute minor penalty for a 5 on 4 powerplay. 15 seconds later Team A receives a second 2-minute minor penalty for a 5 on 3 powerplay. 15 seconds later Team A receives a third 2-minute minor penalty. At this point Team A has three players in the penalty box and has a 5 on 3 powerplay. Assuming no goals are scored, what happens when the first penalty expires??? At the game I was watching, the player came back on the ice to make it a 5 on 4 powerplay, with two players still in the box. Shouldn't it still be a 5 on 3 powerplay? Does the first player remain in the penalty box until the next whistle? What happens after the second penalty expires if no whistle and no goals are scored?

WBLBEARS06 · Post by **WBLBEARS06** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:50 pm

yes it should remain a 5-3 for the first two guys that are in the box, when they is only one guy left in the box its a 5-4, not too complicated of a concept, and I dont understand how a ref could screw this up when its his job to know the rules. The curse lives on.....

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:51 pm

player a goes in. player b goes in and player a has 1:45 to serve still player c goes in and player b has 1:45 to serve still and player a has 1:30 to serve still player a penalty expires and player b still has 15 seconds on his penalty and player c has 30 seconds on his; still 5 on 3 player b penalty expires then player a goes back on ice (assuming play has been going throughout). player c expires and player b goes back on the ice. then next whistle, player c comes out on the ice

BigDawg · Post by **BigDawg** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:58 pm

Thanks boblee, that is what I thought, but that is not what happened. Question: If there is a whistle between when the first and second penalty expire, player A would be allowed to return to his bench. Is this correct?

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:59 pm

yes, then player b would come out when his time expired, as would player c

bigcurve961 · Post by **bigcurve961** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:31 am

The minor officials in the penalty area share some responsibility for these errors. Many times I've witnessed officials explain what needs to happen as penatly times expire, but it is done incorrectly anyway.

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:49 am

The third minor does not start until the first one ends the team is still 2 players short until the 2nd minor expires and it is captains choice which of the 1st 2 players returns.

I35hockey · Post by **I35hockey** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:08 am

boblee is slightly incorrect. I'll attempt the adjustment that greybeard said. player a goes in. player b goes in and player a has 1:45 to serve still player c goes in and player b has 1:45 to serve still and player a has 1:30 to serve still player a penalty expires and player b still has 15 seconds on his penalty and player c has 2:00 on his; still 5 on 3 player b penalty expires then player b goes back on ice (assuming play has been going throughout). player c expires and player c goes back on the ice. then next whistle, player a comes out on the ice The above scenerio is assuming that no whistles occur. After player a's penalty expires, he/she can come out on the next whistle.

grabij · Post by **grabij** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:12 am

Recalling from my old reffing days is that player C's penalty can't start until the first whistle after player A's expires. This forces player A to be let out of the box upon expiration of his penaltyand will be a 5x4 until the next whistle. It is not a continuous 5x3 unless Player A being let out was caused by a goal.

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:13 pm

I knew I had something slightly incorrect. I knew that the 3rd one doesn't start till the first one ends, my wrong. Thanks for the correction.

Kodiak · Post by **Kodiak** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:18 pm

Yeah, player C's time doesn't start until player A's out of the box. On another note, I'd like to discuss penalties assessed to a coach. I think the league should do away with the bench minor penalities assessed when a coach steps out of line... I don't agree with the team being penalized because a coach doesn't know when to shut up, or a ref can't take a little criticism. It just doesn't seem fair to the kids. I think that if a coach says something that would warrant a penalty, they should just be kicked out of the game and, by rule, have to stay home for the next game as well. While this will have an affect on the kids, at least they won't be penalized on the ice. Bench minors make the game more about the refs and coaches than about the kids, and that just bugs the well out of me. I think that football, basketball, and hockey are the only sports where a coach can say the wrong team and actually put his/her team at a disadvantage. In baseball they get kicked out, track... I don't know what would happen in track, soccer refs pretend not to speak english, tennis... well, I don't know about tennis either, but, well, I just don't agree with the bench minor penalty. Just kick the guy out of the game... that will ensure that the ref doesn't hear from the coach anymore. Any thoughts on this? Especially from the boys in stripes?

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:31 pm

But Sarslund should only be able to coach half the games then...

Kodiak · Post by **Kodiak** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:45 pm

I don't see ER often, so this may sound dumb, but does Sarsland get a lot of bench minors? When I have seen them it looks like he's always "givin' it" to his players, but not the refs... enlightenment please!

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:53 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>looks like he's always "givin' it" to his players, but not the refs...<hr></blockquote> Pretty accurate <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:01 pm

ER, You know very well he screams at any and everything...<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

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